A torn-up note? If the supervisor couldn't pony up enough money for a decent office shredder, then HE's the one who deserves to be canned.

Paging Miss Hall, Miss Fawn Hall, you have a call on line one.

At-will employment is a relic. It's horrid.

Glad it exists for situations like this, though.

Anyone else wondering exactly why the wife was dumpster diving?

Behold, natural selection at work. Hitting on the supervisor can only lead to bad things. Or really good things, but that's roulette for you.

HickPrincess... maybe she was hungry?

I don't know why any rank-and-file employee in this country puts up with at-will employment. They all ought to stage a general strike (like that immigrant protest scheduled for tomorrow) to get rid of it. I suppose they're too gutless, or something...

Never take a job unless it's either a union shop or you've got some kind of personal, enforcable contract with the employer. Otherwise, you're only being used and played for a fool.

Yep, it's always the "other woman's" fault. Can't hang onto your man? Take a look in the mirror. And I second the question - what in the hell was that crazy biatch doing in the dumpster in the first place?

In sum, the court concluded that if the "ultimate basis for [an employee's] dismissal was not her sex, [but the boss's] desire to allay his wife's concerns over [the employee's] admitted sexual behavior with him," a claim of sex discrimination under Title VII cannot be made out.

Hat Tip: How Appealing

Hmmm... No, I wouldn't say that's appalling. An employee should NEVER get involved with his/her boss. It's unprofessional and the fun you can have doesn't justify the risks of causing problems like this.

Not to mention that other workers know exactly when a co worker is farking a boss. It affects morale and makes them wonder what kinds of perks they might be missing out on because they refuse to let the boss get some stink on his hang low.

At-will also means that an employee can leave at any time, for any reason without giving notice. And the employer can't use that as a strike against them if they are called on a reference check.

At will isn't so bad, do your job right and you're fine.

Unions are somewhat useless. My experience has been that they protect the slackers and let the good workers get the hose. I've known people who were good workers and got screwed over.

Pure waste of time.

Employment is a voluntary arrangement, a boss can dismiss an employee on a whim, and an employee can quit on a whim. Supreme Court ruled on it years ago.

Stupid chick wants to curry favor with round heels and dirty knees,he can take what's offered, then fire her--and she deserves to get screwed and dumped for being so stupid.

HumbleGod [TotalFark]

A torn-up note? If the supervisor couldn't pony up enough money for a decent office shredder, then HE's the one who deserves to be canned.

Perhaps you'd like my engineering project. A matlab script to un-shred paper such as that....surprisingly simple to create.

buuuuuuuuuuuuurn the flesh!!

olddinosaur

Employment is a voluntary arrangement, a boss can dismiss an employee on a whim, and an employee can quit on a whim.

That's not entirely true. An at-will employee can't be fired or passed up for promotion for merely, say, being a woman. There is a difference, however, between being a woman and being a promotion whore.

By the way, if you read the actual case, it turns out promotion whore was married. Her husband has to be absolutely whipped to put up with promotion whore.

2006-04-30 10:58:07 PM Philbis Region [TotalFark]


I don't know why any rank-and-file employee in this country puts up with at-will employment. They all ought to stage a general strike (like that immigrant protest scheduled for tomorrow) to get rid of it. I suppose they're too gutless, or something...

Never take a job unless it's either a union shop or you've got some kind of personal, enforcable contract with the employer. Otherwise, you're only being used and played for a fool.


You sound like a Frenchman. I mean really. Played for a fool. Move to France.

This thread is useless without pics of a jealous wife scrounging through a dumpster.

El Morro: Hmmm... No, I wouldn't say that's appalling.

It totally says appealing, not appalling.

Aw, come on! She threw the letters away rather than send them. That must count for something.

/"at-will" isn't such a good deal for either party
//france-bashing is so 2003

moonspirit

Yep, it's always the "other woman's" fault. Can't hang onto your man? Take a look in the mirror.

Two words:

Kobe Bryant

IOW, it ain't just looks.

fecal eater.

/Don't eat where ya poop (aka work).

Guys can be stupid, and a woman who's interested in you is always more appealing than one who isnt.

Its a recipe for disaster the moment you lose interest in your mate.

Bottom Lime:

Do Not shiat Where You Earn Your Wages!

Animatronik, please answer honestly, yes or no: Have you ever been fired for no reason at all? If your answer is "no," please STFU.

/the French are right about some things.

The wife will be lucky if the mistress doesn't ambush her at the family home with an AK-74.


//read too many police statements where one party couldn't let the other go.

*close italics*

It takes time and money to hire new employees, and my guess is that even with at-will employment, few bosses want to fire someone who is doing their job in order to expend even more effort finding a replacement.

It's pretty unfair that the wife's insecurity led to the secretary being fired, and it seems like a pretty crappy thing to do, to make the boss choose. What's she going to do, threaten the guy every time some lady is interested in him? I'd hate to live with someone who does that to me. That being said, I hope the boss/husband/guy did his best to convince the secretary to leave it alone. I'm not sure he would have, and if he encouraged her efforts, it makes it as much his fault as anyone else's, if not more so.

Snarfangel, I've heard that argument before, and it's really not that simple. Suppose you're doing your job superbly, but your boss takes a dislike to your sense of humor, or the fact that you stink up the break room with microwave popcorn, or whatever? Fair or not, then you're history.

True story: I once worked for a small company that was owned by an old German guy (who claimed to have been in the Philippines during WWII, but I doubt it). So, one day we were idly talking politics, and he said, "Zis democracy, it chust duzzn't vork. Vot you need iss vun man at za top who tells evffryone vot to do!"

Before I could stop myself, I blurted out, "Didn't you guys try that?" Then I laughed at my own line... big mistake.

The next day, I found my severance check waiting on my desk when I came in, and I was the company's top-earning salesman (out of three on staff). Fired over a one-liner, and not even one of my best. The old man wouldn't even speak to me, and I had to ask his wife why I'd been abruptly terminated like that. She said that he'd taken my remark to imply that he was a Nazi; as if he hadn't just made that clear with his own statement. So there's at-will employment in action.

/as of now, I'm self-employed, and at least I can't at-will fire myself
//or can I? Never thought about it...

Philbis Region:

I think the problem with what you did is that you grouped him with "you guys" and clearly you meant Nazis and Hitler.

All that he implied is that he felt some sort of dictatorship was more effective than a democracy.

He also implied that he is an asshole, and when assholes are in charge, your best course of action is not to laugh at them. Instead, make a discreet call to your local Nazi hunter (tm), who may uncover that your boss is raising a child cloned from the DNA of Adolf Hitler. (Did your boss look like Gregory Peck by any chance?)

"When assholes are in charge, your best course of action is not to laugh at them."

cankersnore, That's true wisdom there, but I was in my early 20's and I didn't know any better. What I meant was Germans in general (after all, the Nazi party was in control there from 1933 to 1945, they weren't just an overnight sensation). I didn't realize that I'd just pushed his one button that should never, ever be pushed.

So, I was at-will canned for a making a lousy, impulsive joke. What's worse, he'd handed me a perfect straight line that I couldn't pass up. Who could?

/no, he didn't look like Gregory Peck, more like Werner Klemperer
//complete with the accent
///"Ho-gannn!"

awesome job on pun by submitter.

*golf clap

/law puns rock

Philbis Region: You're right, you had to go for it. If you hadn't made that comment, you'd still be kicking yourself for it! Unlike now...

Anyway, I hope you went on to a better job.

uptonogood: Where were the puns? Must be very subtle.

The problem with "lifetime employment" is that it becomes so expensive for companies to fire employees that they drastically cut back on the number of employees that they hire. So while your job may be more secure while you have it... if something bad happens and you lose your job, you're in big trouble. Not to mention the drain on the economy as companies completely avoid risk (they can't afford to have a new business venture not work out), employees stay put in less rewarding (and less productive) jobs (they can't afford to leave them) and the economy stagnates away.

Philbis Region that's fairly hilarious. I thought the joke was good. If he's so damn sensitive about the Nazi thing, what the hell is a German doing extolling the virtues of dictatorship anyway? I think the real reason he fired you is not that he was offended by a Nazi association, he just got bested by a kid in conversation.

/has been canned for drunken humor at work
//extremely glad to have left
///much happier now

Philbis Region I've heard that argument before, and it's really not that simple. Suppose you're doing your job superbly, but your boss takes a dislike to your sense of humor, or the fact that you stink up the break room with microwave popcorn, or whatever? Fair or not, then you're history.

Then you're probably better off working for a boss that's so petty. He (or she) will eventually do something monumentially stupid and the company will go down.

Do you also want friendships to be regulated like this? No at-will friendships allowed?

lelio, that company went down. They lost almost all of their outside accounts, and their retail business is still around, but it's a ghost of its former self. Holy hell, I was averaging $7,500 a month (gross) in sales, and that crazy old man fired me because he didn't like a silly remark I made.

I was lucky, really. Looking back at that mess, I was off the Titanic before I had to start bailing out the engine room.

The trouble with the U.S. employment and bankruptcy laws is that they let idiots, fascists, and crooks like that get off the hook, every time.

Today, I'm going to pretend that I'm a Mexican, and underpay myself. I also won't clean the house, since I'm on strike. Against my rotten employer, me.

It's an interesting experiment: try living on your state's minimum wage for a few months or even a year, and see what it's like.

I've done it; and as I said, anyone who's never been arbitrarily fired or had to deal with the unemployment system can kindly...

STFU

Oh, and, "at-will friendships:" In the 19th century, you could say to someone, "Sir, I withdraw my introduction to you." Meaning, I want no futher contact, period.

If that remark wasn't properly acknowledged, the next step was dueling pistols at ten paces.

I hope we've gotten a little more civilized since then, but sometimes I doubt it.

Philbis Region [TotalFark] lelio, that company went down. They lost almost all of their outside accounts, and their retail business is still around, but it's a ghost of its former self. Holy hell, I was averaging $7,500 a month (gross) in sales, and that crazy old man fired me because he didn't like a silly remark I made.

I'm not sure what your complaint is, then. That you were fired from a company that eventually ends up as being a hobby for the owner?

Like I said, companies that do bat shait crazy things like firing people for jokes are eventually going to go tits up. You're better off where you are now, instead of investing time in that dog.

cankersnore

"how appealing" tag -- you know, when you lose a case and you want a re-do so you APPEAL ... get it? huh? huh? yeah? no? :D

lelio, I'm not complaining at all. Actually, it ended up being a hobby for the owner's son, who has the I.Q. of a moldy turnip.

Looking back on it, I think the whole thing was hilarious, really. There was even more to the farcical atmosphere than the old goose-stepper... perfect material for a comic novel, if only I had the self-discipline to write one.

/which I don't

I almost forgot, this thread is useless without:



"Whatever you do, don't mention the War!"