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(Guardian)   Presidente Bush dice que el Himno Nacional se debe cantar en inglés   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 235
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2006-04-29 07:32:03 PM
By they way. Anyone who wants to do anything about the National Anthem being written and sung in Spanish has two options:

Pass another idiotic, unenforcible law to add to the hundreds of existing idiotic, unenforcible laws and waste even more of my tax dollars and the time of the government that is supposed to be serving the people by addressing REAL issues... or quit your whining.

I prefer the second option.
 
2006-04-29 08:13:13 PM
Hey, if muslims are allowed to get all offended and pissy because of some danish cartoonists; I get to be all offended and pissy about some changes to the national anthem.

/it's not the language that pisses me off
//"let's not start a war with all these hard workers, they can't help where they were born."
///yes, but they can sure help whether or not they came here illegally
 
2006-04-29 08:27:01 PM
shanec2000: Hey, if muslims are allowed to get all offended and pissy because of some danish cartoonists; I get to be all offended and pissy about some changes to the national anthem.

I think it's good for people from another country to be able to read and understand our National Anthem. The ideals that it represents mean much more than a bunch of scrathes on paper for my eyes or vocal vibrations for my ears.
 
2006-04-29 08:46:07 PM
smeegle
Must be working on his piss poor image for his do nothing stance on illegal immigration.

Um, even if you don't agree with his ideas, such as the temporary guest worker program, it's ignorant to claim he has a "do-nothing" stance.
 
2006-04-29 09:07:30 PM
Me gustan tacos, enchiladas, frijoles, y chiles rellenos.

Me gusto la panocha tambien.


Eso es todo.
 
2006-04-29 09:21:01 PM
I am not in favor of our national anthem being sung in Spanish. This is nothing against those who speak spanish... if we had an influx of those who spoke Russian, I would not want a Russian version of our national anthem. You chose to come to this country (legally, or not - I don't care) learn to speak the language, please. What you do in the walls of your own home I don't care about either. If you are going to be out interacting with Americans, trying to be part of American culture, and working in American workplaces, please learn to speak the language.

Next time you go to a grocery store, check out a box of Bisquick - has a spanish-language label now, too.
 
2006-04-29 09:37:17 PM
KatieLou1118: if we had an influx of those who spoke Russian, I would not want a Russian version of our national anthem...

Holy crap... I've really done it now. I accidently translated our National Anthem into Russian using Babel Fish. Help!


Мнение о, можете вы увидеть, светом рассвета предыдущим, настолько самолюбиво мы окликнули на поблескивать сумерк последний? Чей обширные нашивки и яркие звезды, через perilous драку, O'er ramparts мы наблюдали, настолько gallantly текл! И слепимость ракет красная, бомбы разрывая в воздухе, дала доказательство через ночу что наш флаг был все еще там: Мнение о, то звезд-star-spangled знамя пока развевает O'er земля свободно и дом храбрейшего? На береге, тускло увиденном через туманы глубокого, где хозяин foe's высокомерный в безмолвии dread reposes, то которое ветерок, o'er towering крутая, по мере того как он fitfully дует, половина скрывает, половина показывает? Теперь он улавливает gleam луча утра первого, в полной shines отраженных славой теперь в потоке: Tis звезд-star-spangled знамя! О длиной может оно развевать O'er земля свободно и дом храбрейшего! И где та полоса настолько vauntingly присягнула что havoc войны и дома а запутанности сражения и страны оставить мы no more? Их кровь мыла вне загрязнение их протухших footsteps'. Никакое убежище не было в состоянии сохранить hireling и невольника от террора полета, или gloom могилы: И звезд-star-spangled знамя в волне O'er doth триумфа земля свободно и дом храбрейшего! Oh! таким образом be it всегда, когда freemen устоит между их полюбил дома и desolation войны! Blest с победой и миром, может Ра-spasennoe хваление земли сила которую hath сделало и сохранило нами нация. После этого завоюйте нас, когда наша причина, оно справедлива, и это был наш девиз: "в боге находится наше доверие." И звезд-star-spangled знамя в триумфе развевает O'er земля свободно и дом храбрейшего!
 
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2006-04-29 09:38:02 PM
Eochada: Talking about the topic isn't a threadjack.

But talking about some rap in an alternate version isn't the topic. The topic is the straight spanish version, and Bush's objection to it.

Wait, why am I still telling you this, you're just a troll... Oh, I get a laugh out of seing a troll get pwned, that's why! Hehehe.
 
2006-04-29 09:43:07 PM
Anyone who is trivial enough to worry about what language our National Anthem is translated into must have very little faith in our country, our people and the ideals that most of us believe in.

I question if the people that are concerned about this are really even American citizens.
 
2006-04-29 09:48:06 PM
Dear Spanish speakers: You cannot be patriotic by nature, because your language is not English, the language of God and America. Learn English, or don't bother leaving Hispanicia.
 
2006-04-29 10:15:03 PM
Oh say does that star spangled banner yet wave,
"O'er the land of the free"
 
2006-04-29 10:40:45 PM
See, this proves I don't automatically disagree with George Bush.

He doesn't think the anthem should be played in spanish, and I still don't give a shiat.
 
2006-04-29 11:04:58 PM
Oh, good. For a while I was worried America was becoming obsessed with actual issues. Thanks for correcting my misperception.

/lives in a country with a bilingual anthem
//and noone minds at all
 
2006-04-29 11:29:05 PM
smeegle [TotalFark]

treesloth
Some of us do speak several languages, retard.
That was classy.
I am proud of you that you are bilingual. My point, you arrogant guttersnipe, is that the bilingual Americans are in the minority as most Americans only speak Amerkin.


Ahh... so your blanket statements about the entire country were not what you intended? Well, then, that's your fault, you arrogant and illiterate guttersnipe. Did you intentionally spell it "Amerkin" or is that supposed to be a point of some kind? Anyway, learn to say what you actually mean, you mental midget.
 
2006-04-30 12:05:51 AM
If Halliburton would just get that damn wall built, this and all our other troubles would go away.
 
2006-04-30 12:26:35 AM
Um... this is a pop version, recorded with obvious artistic license to make a political statement. The fact is the United States national anthem has been translated into Spanish for a long time and is even sung in Spanish in some schools. Bush never said anything about that, probably because it really isn't an issue. This new, politicized interpretation is unofficial, it will possibly be played on the radio, it won't be sung anywhere in any official capacity. What's the big deal?

And as for an "official" Spanish version, I say go for it. Translate it as faithfully as possible into Creole French, Cantonese, Spanish, Portuguese, Hausa, Thai, Korean, Nahuatl, whatever, any language spoken by anyone living in the U.S. If it's really that important to the "national soul", then spread it around a little. Make singing it in any language a patriotic act.

On a different note, the mexican national anthem has been translated into indiginous languages and is sung at bilingual schools in nahau, mixtec, zapotec, etc. All over the country. I learned it first at a school that sung it in Hña Hñu, never have been able to remember the words in Spanish.
 
2006-04-30 12:53:53 AM
"I think the national anthem ought to be sung in English, and I think people who want to be a citizen of this country ought to learn English and they ought to learn to sing the national anthem in English," Mr Bush said when asked at a press conference about the Spanish version."

I think Mr Bush ought to respect human rights, international laws and treaties, the sovereignty of foreign nations, and the Constitution of the United States.

The point being of course, that a lot of what people want is just not going to happen, so suck it up deal with it.

/Reminded me of the outage of the french when english signs are bigger than the french ones
//Haha! Your insecure nationalism is showing!
 
2006-04-30 01:47:28 AM
treesloth, you said REVA. I think I got it!!

/Rie en voz alta??
//Also Maxwell's Daemon, that's about as Spainiard Spanish saying as they come. Yo cago en la leche tambien.
 
2006-04-30 02:10:02 AM
I know I'm late, but, I just can't pass this up.

Could somebody please point me to the part of the Constitution that states that English is the national language? 'cause I'm having a real hard time finding that one.
 
2006-04-30 02:32:45 AM
Number41: owlywowly: F's are usually pronounced as "s," which makes everyone sound effeminate, another downer.

Err... s's just looked like f's, they weren't actually f's. However, f's were pronounced like v's intervocalically, which you might want to be afraid of.


To be specific, there was a "long s" that looked somewhat like our modern lower-case italics "f" except that it had no cross-stroke (or else the stroke only appeared on the left side of the main stroke, and didn't go all the way through to the right side as happens with the lower-case f). It was used mainly in the middle of words (rarely if ever at the beginning, and sometimes was used at the end), and especially when there was a double "s" the first one would be "short" (like what we use today) and the second would be "long."

Those of you with Unicode-capable OSes and fonts may be able to see the long s here (made bigger to more easily see the difference: each is followed by a lower-case f for comparison):

ſ f (normal)
ſ f (italics)
 
2006-04-30 02:42:56 AM
The only person acceptable to sing it in Spanish

img163.imageshack.us


/she can sing it to me anyway she farking wants.
//I will definately salute.
 
2006-04-30 03:36:25 AM
Cheers to Beppo
 
2006-04-30 07:57:49 AM
Illegals Mexicans to Americans who don't want them here: "You will see how much you need us when we don't work."

Americans to illegals (criminales): "We want you GONE, you fricking morons, GET OUT! We realize that if you aren't here, we won't have your "help" at all, we don't want your help, and who the hell asked you to invade our country anyway? We will get along just fine without you, just like we did before you illegally entered this country. If you want back in, STAND IN LINE AND WAIT YOUR TURN!"
 
2006-04-30 08:09:32 AM
scudder

i would rather shoot you in the face than smoke this joint right now

/partly cause i could smoket the joint afterward
 
2006-04-30 08:20:58 AM
The NY Post is just picking up on what I was saying yesterday.

It contains several lines in English that bitterly condemn U.S. immigration laws: "These kids have no parents, 'cause of all these mean laws," runs one line. Another: "Let's not start a war with all these hard workers, they can't help where they were born."

Sorry if I confused anyone by keeping up with what's really going on instead of waiting for the mainstream media to give it the ok.
 
2006-04-30 11:16:11 AM
Americans are distracted by the stupidest shiat, swear to God.
 
2006-04-30 11:26:18 AM
Stupid Mexicans learn English GODDAMMIT! This is America we speak English here. I guarantee if you to Mexico and talk in English no one will help. you. F U!!!!!
 
2006-04-30 11:47:42 AM
Opinion o, can you come, with into being of dawn previous, is so proud we did hail on to gleam sumerk the latter? Whose extensive stripes and bright stars, through perilous fight, O'er ramparts we observed, so gallantly tekl! And the glare of rockets is red, bombs tearing up in air, it gave proof through nochu that our flag it was still there: Opinion o, then of stars -.star-spangled banner does thus far flutter O'er the earth freely and the house of the bravest? On the coast, dimly seen through the fogs of deep, where owner foe's haughty in silence dread reposes, the which breeze, o'er towering steep, in proportion to he fitfully does blow, half does hide, half does show? Now it recovers gleam ray of the morning of the first, in of complete shines those reflected glory now in the flow: Tis stars -.star-spangled banner! About by length can it flutter O'er the earth freely and the house of the bravest! And where that strip vauntingly did so swear that havoc war and house and to the confusion of the battle and country to leave we no more? Their blood washed out of the pollution of their foul footsteps '. Any refuge not was able to preserve hireling and slave from the terror of flight, or gloom grave: And stars -.star-spangled banner in wave O'er doth triumph the earth is free and the house of the bravest! Oh! thus be it always, when freemen keeps balance between them it fell in love with houses and desolation war! Blest with the victory and the peace, can the Ra -.spasennoe praise of the earth force which hath it made and she preserved by us nation. After this, conquer us, when our reason, it is valid, and this was our motto: "in the god find our confidence." And stars -.star-spangled banner in the triumph flutters O'er the earth freely and the house of the bravest!

/Russian translation back into English
 
2006-04-30 12:03:33 PM
Pvt. Party

I'd definitely fark her silly. By which I mean, while wearing a big, red clown nose and floppy shoes.
 
2006-04-30 12:17:04 PM
danielr

/Rie en voz alta??


Yup, exactly. :-)
 
2006-04-30 12:34:54 PM
I was doing a search for the text of the Star Spangled Banner and I accidently saved it to my hard drive. When I did that my damned computer converted it into binary and now I can't read it! Only a computer and some super-geeks out there can read it!

Can you believe this? There should definitely be a law of some type to prevent this sort of thing from happening.
 
2006-04-30 12:52:46 PM
Man... and then, just as a test, I made a small C++ app that simply took the text of "The Star Spangled Banner" and created a UNICODE string and guess what!?!?! The damned thing actually compiled!

The ONLY reason the compiler would allow the creation of "The Star Spangled Banner" in UNICODE format is so that it can be translated into a foreign language! This is UNACCEPTABLE!

They should only allow "The Star Spangled Banner" to be placed into an ASCII string which is precicely sufficient enough to handle the English language, but in which it is impossible to store a foreign language characters.

Programmers, please, DO NOT use compilers that allow "The Star Spangled Banner" to be placed into a UNICODE string and CALL YOUR CONGRESSMAN so that we can get started on a law to MAKE THIS ILLEGAL!
 
2006-04-30 01:16:17 PM
Oh, and call your Congressman about outlawing Chimpasaurus's as well. This things are multiplying like crazy and bastardizing the entire English language everytime they express themselves.
 
2006-04-30 01:18:00 PM
Ouch. I sure wish I could take that one back.
 
2006-05-01 02:55:14 AM
I would just like to say that you are a farking idiot if you see any need to "outlaw" someone singing a song in a language other than English. This is just insane. Especially in the light of Bush's butchering of English itself... get over yourselves.
 
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