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(Some Guy)   X-ray machines fail to detect huge automatic weapons. Still do a great job in finding out whats inside a laptop   ( divider line
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19667 clicks; posted to Main » on 28 Apr 2006 at 2:34 PM (11 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2006-04-28 01:00:29 PM  
The X-ray machine detects it just fine. The metal detector detects it just fine.

The problem is the security operator who's doping off on post - as usual.
2006-04-28 01:14:24 PM  
Caradoc: The X-ray machine detects it just fine. The metal detector detects it just fine.

an assault weapon made with so little metal it does not clearly show up on a security X-ray

Caradoc: The problem is the security operator who's doping off on post - as usual.

"The image on the X-ray appeared as a straight metal rod, with no outline of a stock or a trigger guard, something an inattentive security guard may view as no more threatening than a curling iron"

huge automatic weapons

"the weapons, small enough to be tucked in a briefcase"

/reading comprehension died a little today
2006-04-28 01:25:48 PM  
So as long as you don't take any bullets...
2006-04-28 01:37:58 PM  
AZsid: So as long as you don't take any bullets...

You could have one chambered... but yeah, thats still only one.
2006-04-28 01:46:11 PM  
No x-ray machine can find the pr0n I've hidden on my laptop. Muahahahahaha!!!!
2006-04-28 02:38:21 PM  
Unless it's metallic tentacle pr0n!

Umm... who said that?

/looks around
2006-04-28 02:38:40 PM  
How about we start blaming humans and holding them accountable, instead of the machines?
2006-04-28 02:39:19 PM  
That's a pistol? I want one, hell I want three or four.
2006-04-28 02:40:42 PM  
that looks like a badass gun.
2006-04-28 02:40:54 PM  
Machines detect it just fine. The article even says it detects it as a straight metal rod.

The workers should be concerned when they see a solid straight metal rod. The workers are at fault.
2006-04-28 02:43:33 PM  
What's on my laptop? A whole lot of this:
2006-04-28 02:43:33 PM  
I've seen this gun before...

Does it come with the lemniscate-shaped magazine?
2006-04-28 02:43:41 PM  
Keep your laws off my assault weapons!
2006-04-28 02:44:08 PM  
wow the Boobieser and submitter both fall under the same catagory, retarded
/submitter: thanks for RTFA'ing before you submitted you submission whore
//greenlight: thanks for RTFA before greenlighting
///everyone else: as you were
2006-04-28 02:44:20 PM  
This weapon is a great deal of fun to shoot. Range I go to has one to rent...however, the lack of a buttstock really limits the ability to do anything useful with it outside of 25-40 yards and that caliber, 5.56 or .223 if you prefer, is a heck of a good long range bullet. IMHO
2006-04-28 02:44:56 PM == huge?
2006-04-28 02:45:03 PM  
Still do a great job in finding out whats inside a laptop

If that were true, why do I still need to take it out of my bag?

What to have a lot of fun going through security? Try going with a bag full of bicycle tools. Then spend 20-30 minutes while TSA drones go over them like they are some sort of alien artifacts.
2006-04-28 02:45:09 PM  
The Condom Didn't Work: How about we start blaming humans and holding them accountable, instead of the machines?

Been there, done that.
2006-04-28 02:45:24 PM  
Too bad they don't provide images from the x-ray machine.
2006-04-28 02:46:21 PM  
I worked parttime at airport security: Most of the metal stuffarknives, pistols) that SHOULD be detected, simply aren't: Either because of faulty hardware, or, as with alot more of the cases i've seen, farked up attitude of the security personel.
They are all given proper training, but don't give a shiat, nor realise what is, or can be, at stake.
Then again, doing that job fulltime would also do my head in... But you can always quit when you see you aren't able to enjoy/do your job properly.
2006-04-28 02:46:57 PM  
I love how the box proudly proclaims "Made in the USA".

God bless America.
2006-04-28 02:47:29 PM  
From the article: "Joseph Green, a spokesman for the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, said federal law requires firearms be made with sufficient metal content to be detectable at security checkpoints."

And those who are manufacturing weapons illegally are going to pay attention to federal guidelines regarding the manufacture of weapons. And those who buy such illegal weapons also care about the federal guidelines regarding gun manufacturing. In fact, they would be shocked, no, HORRIFIED, to find that their weapon was too stealthy to be caught by security x-rays. Indeed, the moment they discover this, they will surely purchase another weapon that, at least, gives the guys at security a fighting chance to find the weapons with which they intend to carry out their dastardly plans!

These are the same comical villains who suspend their enemies over tanks filled with sharks with frickin' laser beams on their heads.
2006-04-28 02:49:08 PM  
.223 can only go 2500fps if you have at least a 16" barrel. that one will not allow frangable ammo to break up, not allowing for a decent sized wound as more than likely it would just travel through a human.

It should show up just fine in an xray. The bolt carrier, buffer spring, gas tube, and barrel are metal and will be picked up by metal detectors just fine. those parts and the plastic housing shows up just fine.

This is a semi automatic weapon, not automatic.

It is the BATFE's fault for having so much plastic on it. Bushmaster, and the industry, wanted a ar15 based handgun, but there are weight limitations on handguns. In actuality, the BATFE actually inspired innovation of making it lighter and more "plasticy".

/have a 11.5" bareled AR15 **LEGAL** $200 tax stamp, and it is fun to shoot.
2006-04-28 02:49:49 PM  
i'm a little confused. why the Dumbass tag?

i was thinking maybe a PSA tag.
2006-04-28 02:50:09 PM  
Of course the xrays can't penetrate canvas or leather, well worth stacking up a few dozen extra targets in line while everyone fiddles with the laptop bags.
2006-04-28 02:51:03 PM  
Good God. What a stupid, fearmongering article. And submitter, a Carbon-15 is not an automatic weapon. It's semi-automatic. And it's not "huge". It's a freakin' pistol.
2006-04-28 02:52:22 PM  
I'm so glad my government has made it illegal to create weapons that they can't detect. God forbid they should have to upgrade their equipment or invent new technology, when stifling innovation is so much easier.

Of course I shouldn't complain, there's not a lot of legitimate uses for plastic guns, but it pisses me off when they ban shiat just because police consider it a threat to them. For example, stun guns. Or tinted windows on your car. I wouldn't be surprised if it were illegal for me to purchase a bullet proof vest for myself at some point in the future, though for now at least, that is in fact, legal, so long as one is not a convicted felon.
2006-04-28 02:52:45 PM  
I saw that too. At least something is still made in America.
2006-04-28 02:53:36 PM  
"I love how the box proudly proclaims "Made in the USA"."

And I assume you also think any car that is capable of going over 70mpg should be made illegal because people **could** die driving faster than that? Just because it looks scarry doesnt mean that it had to be a threat. I bet the Amish hate the cars wizzing by their horse and buggies driving at 45mph.

/I can see where this is going...
2006-04-28 02:53:47 PM  

the Stealth Gun

/Professional Ordnance Carbon-15 Type-97
2006-04-28 02:55:02 PM
2006-04-28 02:55:21 PM  
1) That's not an "assault weapon". It's a pistol. It differs from "regular" pistols only in the fact that it's chambered in .223, a rifle caliber, is based on the AR-15 (a highly modular and flexible type of gun) and takes AR-15 type magazines. Also, note that on a federal level there's no such thing as an "assault weapon" anymore.

2) It's not automatic. Semi-auto, yes. Automatic, no.

3) It's not huge. Bigger than some pistols, but not that large at all.

4) It's not X-ray invisible in the slightest...some plastic parts may allow X-rays to pass through it, but it's not transparent as they describe. It has carbon-fiber in it, yes. Also note that ammunition isn't x-ray transparent, and would have clearly shown up. Methinks they're pulling some stuff out of their ass.

5) From article: "This a nasty weapon," he said. "That's the ammunition we're using in Iraq. If we're not alert, this could go right past security."

It's actually a rather interesting type of pistol. So what if they're using .223 ammo in Iraq? .223 is one of the most common, popular cartridges in the entire world. Literally billions of rounds are manufactured yearly in the military, government, and civilian marketplaces.

We're also using 9mm pistol ammo (an extremely common round as well) and .308 rifle ammo (ubiquitous rifle ammo) in Iraq. Oh noes!

Sounds like the X-ray viewing schmoes need to get on the ball a bit more and stop looking for dildos and nail clippers.
2006-04-28 02:55:24 PM  
The GLOCK 7 surrenders.
2006-04-28 02:55:57 PM  
Who cares - the real threat is nail clippers anyway...
2006-04-28 02:56:21 PM  
Wake me up when they don't detect it when it has actual bullets in it.
2006-04-28 02:57:30 PM  
I'm guessing that firing rifle rounds out of something with no stock on it would hurt your wrist pretty bad after a while. And is is 'huge' for a pistol lol.
2006-04-28 02:58:43 PM  
Consider the source site though...this isn't cnn.
2006-04-28 02:59:14 PM  
OOO here come all the toughguy gun buffs to explain bullets, range, velocity and stopping power!111!
2006-04-28 02:59:50 PM  
Why not go the whole hog - Kel-tec PLR-16:
2006-04-28 03:00:17 PM  
Meh...this is simply a rerun of the lie about Glock pistols being "invisible to x-rays". This one has a metal barrel, bolt, trigger, sear, disconnector, nearly a dozen springs, and on an x-ray will look like...a gun. Just like a Glock does. This is a typical tactic of the anti-gunners - it's either tooo big, or toooo small, or toooo much plastic, or tooooo fast, or holds toooo many bullets, or whatever. Nothing new here, and the fact that they posted the article and picture of the gun, but not a view of it on x-ray (and we all know how easy that would be to manipulate) shows that they're not trying to go with facts here.
2006-04-28 03:00:21 PM  
adm_crunch: Good God. What a stupid, fearmongering article. And submitter, a Carbon-15 is not an automatic weapon. It's semi-automatic. And it's not "huge". It's a freakin' pistol.

It fires the same ammo as an M-16 or AR-15, which means it's definately not your Dad's 22. And it can be modded for automatic by anyone with half a knack for mechanics with access to a machine shop.

That said, I doubt a loaded clip would slip past security, and I doubt someone, assuming they were able to sneak ammo on board, would be able to load a clip without somebody saying: "hey, that's a neat gun you have there. Should I kick your ass now, or wait for you to finish making it operational?"

So yeah, it's a little bit of dramatics on the part of the county sheriff.
2006-04-28 03:01:07 PM  
"Who cares - the real threat is nail clippers anyway..."

...and cigarette lighters...
2006-04-28 03:01:34 PM  
You've seen Die Hard 2 one too many times.
2006-04-28 03:01:45 PM  
I want one

/that is all
//and a glock 22, santa?
2006-04-28 03:02:04 PM  
The GLOCK 7 surrenders.

Was that that fictional gun from Die Hard 2? I laughed out loud when I saw that scene. I'm surprised Glock didn't sue them.
2006-04-28 03:02:11 PM  
I own this gun, the great thing is that it is classified as a pistol.
2006-04-28 03:06:00 PM  
"OOO here come all the toughguy gun buffs to explain bullets, range, velocity and stopping power!111!"

OOO here come all of the tree hugging, hybrid driving, smug hippies, telling us things are bad because it cant plant a tree.

/here's my baby...
2006-04-28 03:06:56 PM  
Why is it great if it's classified as a pistol?

Where I live, if you want to purchase a pistol you're subjected to teh 5-day waiting period. If you buy a long gun (rifle or shotgun), you can walk out of the store with it same day. Assuming you pass the NICS check, of course.

Actually, if you have a CPL, you can get a pistol same-day too. But that's because the FBI already has your prints and has done a background check on you.
2006-04-28 03:07:56 PM  

I own this gun, the great thing is that it is classified as a pistol.

What kind of kick does it have?
2006-04-28 03:08:17 PM  
Also...New Jersey has stricter gun laws than the Feds. I found that out when I inherited a pre-ban Colt AR-15. If I got cought with it in NJ, I'd have been in trouble. However, if I move to PA and change residency, I can buy one at a gun shop.

Same story regarding a long barrell .22 with magazine capicity of 15 or more.

Maybe that's why Newark is such a safe city.
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