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(Some Guy)   X-ray machines fail to detect huge automatic weapons. Still do a great job in finding out whats inside a laptop   (promoinnovations.com) divider line 247
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2006-04-28 03:08:54 PM
Or Camden for that matter, H31N0us
 
2006-04-28 03:09:06 PM
Yeah, I feel great trusting airport security to a bunch of high-school dropouts making $6.50 an hour.
 
2006-04-28 03:09:08 PM
www.gunblast.com

yeehaw!
 
2006-04-28 03:09:27 PM
Submitter needs to explain who is the dumbass... Any rational thinker could dream up that eventually, someone would make a weapon that could pass through without notice. The guy sneaking it through is the dumbass. If more of this persists, then we can all look forward to more random searches. Or even everyones shiate being searched.
 
2006-04-28 03:09:33 PM
Weight and no stock. This gives you the ability to have the short barrel under 16" without needing to buy the $200 NFA stamp..
 
2006-04-28 03:12:07 PM

"I love how the box proudly proclaims "Made in the USA"."

And I assume you also think any car that is capable of going over 70mpg should be made illegal because people **could** die driving faster than that? Just because it looks scarry doesnt mean that it had to be a threat. I bet the Amish hate the cars wizzing by their horse and buggies driving at 45mph.


Time to reboot. Something got corrupted here.
 
2006-04-28 03:12:39 PM
FourSKY

Excellent point.

Beside that excellent point is me wondering why a short-barreled gun chambered in a rifle caliber is so desirable; if I want to hit someone hard at short range, I'll use a .45 or a 12ga shotgun, and if I want to hit someone at long range I want a long-barreled rifle for better accuracy at distance.

right...?
 
2006-04-28 03:13:09 PM
Not a clip, it's a magazine... Clip is used to hold rounds to be put into a magazine (whether detachable or not). Think M1 Garand clip and AR magazine. The more you know.
 
2006-04-28 03:13:14 PM
HA HA. I can pull a lever and fling metal at you really fast!
 
2006-04-28 03:14:13 PM
MWeather

Wake me up when they don't detect it when it has actual bullets in it.

Passenger 1 takes the gun.
Passenger 2, 3, and 4 take two bullets hidden in the belt buckle.

You want to be the one on the plane to ask the terrorist to prove the gun is loaded?
 
2006-04-28 03:14:13 PM
FourSKY: "OOO here come all the toughguy gun buffs to explain bullets, range, velocity and stopping power!111!"

OOO here come all of the tree hugging, hybrid driving, smug hippies, telling us things are bad because it cant plant a tree.

/here's my baby...


Nice. Who did the finish? And how much trouble was the SBR /stamp registration?

I've considered picking up one of the OA-93 pistols just because I don't want to have to deal with the tax stamp. Why in the world I don't have to stamp the exact same weapon you have, simply because it doesn't have a stock, is beyond me...
 
2006-04-28 03:14:29 PM
H31N0US
It fires the same ammo as an M-16 or AR-15, which means it's definately not your Dad's 22.

So? .223 ammo is pretty puny for rifle ammo, and you can get pistol-designed ammo that is more powerful. It wouldn't have bad recoil at all. It'd be pretty loud though and not be very well suited to such a short barrel. The Carbon 15 is an interesting toy, basically. It's not suited well to any particular purpose other than something to have fun plinking with at the range, not that there's anything wrong with that. I'd love to give one a test drive. And even if it fired .50BMG, what does it matter how powerful the round is? It's still perfectly legal.

And it can be modded for automatic by anyone with half a knack for mechanics with access to a machine shop.

So it's a "bad" gun somehow becuse someone might be able to modify it into an illegal configuration? And it ain't very easy at all, at least not while keeping it safe to shoot. The BATF will not allow firearm designs that are readily convertable to full-auto. Besides, a mechanically inclined person with a machine shop could build a crew-served heavy machine gun from scratch, so what's the point?
 
2006-04-28 03:15:05 PM
trippdog

I actually have the kel-tec su-16A rifle, which is what that PLR-16 is based off of. It's an incredible little gun. Very light, low recoil, integral bipod. I picked it up for about $300 off of auctionarms.com, and I'm glad I did.

Takes M16/AR15 magazines, folds up for easy transport, integral rail on top of the reciever. Awesome buy.

They're doing a lot of fun things with that line of rifles, and before you linked it, i didn't even know they had made a pistol version. I might have to consider picking one up :)



PS, an ar15 reciever based pistol is not rare, or expensive, or any more dangerous than any other pistol... probably less dangerous actually, because they're so not concealable.

This just sounds like more anti-gun propaganda floating around if you ask me.
 
2006-04-28 03:15:51 PM
Submitter said "huge automatic weapon", and I pictured THIS:

efour4ever.com

But all I got was a 46-oz semi-auto pistol that looks scary to gun-haters.

/this thread needs more gun pr0n
 
2006-04-28 03:16:09 PM
ACEllis
The guy sneaking it through is the dumbass.

You mean the police officer who took it to the airport to see what it would look like in an X-Ray machine? The guy whose job it is to see if someone could sneak something like that past security? He's a dumbass for doing that? Yeah. OK.
 
2006-04-28 03:16:10 PM
H31N0US: It fires the same ammo as an M-16 or AR-15, which means it's definately not your Dad's 22. And it can be modded for automatic by anyone with half a knack for mechanics with access to a machine shop.

That said, I doubt a loaded clip would slip past security, and I doubt someone, assuming they were able to sneak ammo on board, would be able to load a clip without somebody saying: "hey, that's a neat gun you have there. Should I kick your ass now, or wait for you to finish making it operational?"

So yeah, it's a little bit of dramatics on the part of the county sheriff.


The 223 Remington/5.56 NATO round is indeed the same round fired by the AR15/M-16. It's also such a small round that is illegal to use for deer hunting in most states. It's just not all that impressive by rifle standards.

As for it being possible to modify it for automatic fire, it's not all that easy. If it was it would be illegal per the 1934 NFA. ANY repeating arm can be made fully automatic by someone with a well equipped machine shop, a little knowledge, and a lot of time; but at that point they could build machine guns from scratch.

Thirdly, it's called a magazine NOT a "clip"
 
2006-04-28 03:16:45 PM
RobustMattress: Beside that excellent point is me wondering why a short-barreled gun chambered in a rifle caliber is so desirable; if I want to hit someone hard at short range, I'll use a .45 or a 12ga shotgun, and if I want to hit someone at long range I want a long-barreled rifle for better accuracy at distance.

A couple of reasons:

You can use standard AR-15 magazines.

.223, even out of a short barrel, hits much harder than any pistol caliber (save the .460 or .454).

You can load it with ball ammo (not even steel cored) that will cut right through a level III vest -- something which almost no standard ball pistol ammo will do.

It's neat, has no recoil, and generates a big flame...
 
2006-04-28 03:17:36 PM
antialias

But all I got was a 46-oz semi-auto pistol that looks scary to gun-haters.

...and passengers on a plane in mid-air.
 
2006-04-28 03:18:24 PM
Guns... feh.

img155.imageshack.us
 
2006-04-28 03:19:07 PM
Torc
Passenger 1 takes the gun.
Passenger 2, 3, and 4 take two bullets hidden in the belt buckle.

You want to be the one on the plane to ask the terrorist to prove the gun is loaded?

www.sensesofcinema.com

You've gotta ask yourself. Did I hide 3 bullets in my belt buckle, or only 2?
 
2006-04-28 03:20:16 PM
H31N0US: It fires the same ammo as an M-16 or AR-15, which means it's definately not your Dad's 22.


Yes but it is your dad's .223, which ain't much but a very small and very fast bullet. A .357 pistol has more recoil than this pistol or those rifles you mentioned.
 
2006-04-28 03:21:15 PM
H31N0US

That said, I doubt a loaded clip would slip past security, and I doubt someone, assuming they were able to sneak ammo on board, would be able to load a clip

They're called "magazines". Do not pass go, do not collect $200.
 
2006-04-28 03:21:20 PM
RobustMattress: Beside that excellent point is me wondering why a short-barreled gun chambered in a rifle caliber is so desirable; if I want to hit someone hard at short range, I'll use a .45 or a 12ga shotgun, and if I want to hit someone at long range I want a long-barreled rifle for better accuracy at distance.


Yea, but will you get a really loud bang and good flash with your long barrelled rifle? All that powder will get wasted propelling the bullet.
 
2006-04-28 03:22:52 PM

Freaking nonsense. It is not radiolucent, it is not an assualt rifle, it is not a rifle, and it is not automatic (as others have mentioned).


Apparently Journalism school spends about 10 seconds on firearm description: a few power point slides that show pictures of guns and the word bad. To a journalist everything is an automatic assault rifle, even a handgun. Morans.


On the other extreme are the idiot journalists who insist on calling what one can plainly see in accompanying photograph as a magazine fed handgun a service revolver.


Accuracy, no we don't need no stinkin accuracy we are the media!

 
2006-04-28 03:23:22 PM
Afecks, your comment tickled me. hahah
 
2006-04-28 03:23:46 PM
RobustMattress:

Excellent point.

Beside that excellent point is me wondering why a short-barreled gun chambered in a rifle caliber is so desirable; if I want to hit someone hard at short range, I'll use a .45 or a 12ga shotgun, and if I want to hit someone at long range I want a long-barreled rifle for better accuracy at distance.

right...?


I built my SBR to have something light to take to the range and that looks cool. It isnt practicle for anything except shooting paper. the velocity isnt high enough to use frangabel ammo for hunting even woodchucks. One thing I do like about it is the extremely flat trajectory from 20 yards to 150 yards. It is nicer to shoot than my 20" AR becuase of the lack of a huge arc in the trajectory. It is not for self defense, and would probably pass right through the flesh creating a precision opening on both sides, not allowing for blood loss that you would want to inflich under a self defense situation where you would want to send the bad guy into a lack of blood induced state of shock.
 
2006-04-28 03:24:05 PM
OK OK magazine not clip. Magazine not clip. Magazine not clip...I'll write out the other 97 times after work.

Damn gun freaks.

I actually wish I could have kept the Colt AR-15. It even had a working bayonette(sp). It was bought in 1972 and kept in perfect shape...when I went to sell it the gunshop owner got all excited.
 
2006-04-28 03:24:14 PM
wait one damn minute. Are you telling me that we actually still make something here in the USA!? Uncredible!!


/pistol company soon to be bought by a British firm which will then sell it to a Dubuai Company.
 
2006-04-28 03:24:40 PM
Litig8r

Thanks for the schooling! Makes me feel better about buying my AR-15, at least from a ballistics standpoint. (I still want a .308 rifle though.) Mine is a carbine and as such is rather maneuverable, but obviously not so much as a pistol.
 
2006-04-28 03:26:05 PM
lol... initial headline read.

"X-Ray machines fail to detect HUGE ATOMIC WEAPONS."

/dyslexia sucks sometimes
//really funny other times.
 
2006-04-28 03:27:55 PM
antialias

Submitter said "huge automatic weapon", and I pictured THIS:
But all I got was a 46-oz semi-auto pistol that looks scary to gun-haters.


Well said.

/this thread needs more gun pr0n

VERY well said!

I loves my Krag! (not mine, but the same model)
fortdesoto.com

My next purchase: Looks hella fun.
www.gunshopfinder.com
 
2006-04-28 03:30:32 PM
I guess the magazines and cartriges were made of plastic too?
 
2006-04-28 03:33:22 PM
Litig8r:

Geoff from http://www.beast-enterprises.com/ did my molly coat. I am extremely happy with the job.


The NFA stamp isnt that bad. I had to go to the local PD to get the cheif to sign off. Sometimes they are pricks, but the form is only to ensure that they are no local laws that forbid SBRs. I had no problem. Sent it all off (with 2 sets of finger prints and 2 pictures), and the form / stamp came back about 2 months later.

The firearm industry laws are mostly based on looks, not on function.
 
2006-04-28 03:35:19 PM
Yossarian22: the lack of a buttstock really limits the ability to do anything useful...
img132.imageshack.us
 
2006-04-28 03:36:42 PM
That Beretta carbine looks like it was designed by a prop-master from Stargate SG-1.

Prolly fun to shoot, though.
 
2006-04-28 03:39:01 PM
Can someone point out to me what law is able to trump the Constitution and make it illegal to possess a firearm? According to my copy of the Constitution, it clearly says that it is the supreme law of the land and that the government can make no laws in regards to firearms.
 
2006-04-28 03:41:39 PM
You know what's messed? How many of you guys have a hard-on for this - and other - guns.

What is up with this insane obsession with owning fire-arms?
 
2006-04-28 03:43:29 PM
www.myimagebuddy.com
 
2006-04-28 03:45:43 PM
bbphotova: Can someone point out to me what law is able to trump the Constitution and make it illegal to possess a firearm?

Devils Advocate: It's legal to own a firearm in NJ, Just not a Colt AR-15, bushmaster, or a shotgun / rifle / pistol with a MAGAZINE capacity of 15 or more rounds.

Here's a full list. No html. Too lazy.

http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/StateLaws.aspx?ST=NJ
 
2006-04-28 03:47:15 PM
What's up with your insane obsession with being defenseless?

To some, it is also a hobby, no different than working on classic cars or anything like that.

I've heard a lot of people incorrectly state that people that have guns are compensating for something. In actuality, it's the exact opposite. Those that want to ban guns or are afraid of guns are compensating for their lack of balls to be able to defend themselves and their families. Since they lack the proper equipment, they think that everyone should be just as defenseless and weak as they are.

It's sad, actually.
 
2006-04-28 03:47:42 PM
PeterSM:

I have a hard on for it. I think everyone has a hobby. As long as my hobby doesnt interfear with someone else, it isnt a problem. I have over 10 guns, and none of them have ever shot at flesh. Why do you think choosing firearm collection / shooting as a hobby is a bad thing?
 
2006-04-28 03:47:48 PM
BS. If this story were true, it would have a picture of the X-ray image to scare us more.
 
2006-04-28 03:47:55 PM
Eidolon

And sadly, one of the few things that are still made in the USA.
 
2006-04-28 03:48:55 PM
H31N0US

And every one of those laws is illegal, according to the Constitution.
 
2006-04-28 03:49:07 PM
brap:

Awesome pic, too bad voting isnt enabled. :-(
 
2006-04-28 03:49:34 PM
Guns are fun, and come in handy in the event of collapse of civilization.

Too bad I'd rather spend my money on concert tickets and drinking.
 
2006-04-28 03:51:42 PM
Oh, stuff it.
 
2006-04-28 03:52:25 PM
Defenceless from whom? Zombies? Roving bands of mutants? Hill-billies?

Hobby? A gun is meant for one thing and one thing only; to kill people quickly and efficiently. Explain to me what is normal about collecting things like that.
 
2006-04-28 03:52:40 PM
This gun (Called a Carbon 15) has been around for YEARS. It is just a carbon fiber variant of the ubiquitous AR-15.

Besides, the bullets would be obvious in an xray and without bullets this thing isn't any more dangerous than a piece of pipe.

What makes this story scary to me is that they are SUPRISED by this ancient piece of technology.
 
2006-04-28 03:53:51 PM
Right... the mags wouldn't be a giveaway... nor the aluminum casing on the red-dot sight, nor the multitude of springs involved in a semi-automatic weapon:

"Hey Cledus, you think them there springs in that briefcase should worry us?"

PLEASE... that is such fear-mongering.

BTW: Yossarian22 What's it like shooting a rifle cartridge with something that small? I was eyeing the kel-tec .223 "pistol" a while back, but I don't know if it would suck to shoot or not.
 
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