coyote71: That, and you can never have too many sequels.



and remakes.

MuppetPastor: To insist that we give them time to sing the bastardized verson of the song that represents the country allowing them to live the lives they have is wrong.

Has anyone demanded that? Or are you just pre-emptively offended?

all that responded

No, it was a purposeful inflammatory gesture by the pro-immigration community. Many immigrants come to this land, pick up an American flag, and become patriotic. They don't need to remix songs and take days off to do it. What we have here is blatant ethnocentrism in the Hispanic community. No one is asking them to take white names and quit celebrating Spanish or Mexican holidays. But the community instead does something they damn well know won't be received positively to prove they can act like assholes and rub other people's face in it. It does nothing but irrationalize the debate further, and obstruct progress.

MuppetPastor: Most of you are probably too young to remember the massive outcry when Rosanne butchered the anthem in English.

no, i remember, and it reflected poorly on rossane barr.

sure, i could see someone saying this reflected poorly on the people that recorded this. i'm just not seeing the litany of tangents attached to this as making much sense - much less a comparison to intentionally butchering a song while grabbing fat meat curtains. i jive on what you're saying, but at the same time...it just doesn't seem like the intentions here are as evil as they are being portrayed.

there *are* groups of the opinion that several of the united states should be ceeded back to mexico and other outlandish things. there are a whole host of issues related to immigration that will actually affect this country. some twerps in a recording studio...well...i just gotta say...i'm kinda baffled why anyone would give a shiat.

Bonkthat_Again: Who gets to decide which language it's played at a sporting event? What if half the soccer fans are Hispanic-Americans, and the other half is German-Americans? Do you play the Spanish version, the German one, or both?

It's farking stupid, that's why.


this one is easy there are no americans going to see soccer. it's too boring. now Nascar. that's american.

Bonkthat_Again: Who gets to decide which language it's played at a sporting event?

the musical director?

What if half the soccer fans are Hispanic-Americans, and the other half is German-Americans? Do you play the Spanish version, the German one, or both?

if they want to, have at it.

It's farking stupid, that's why.

farking stupid...i can understand. ruffled feathers and 'it's just wrong!'...i can't.

Bonkthat_Again: Heh...he's a nice guy.

You know, I actually would have guessed that. I had a major crush back in the day.

heap: no, i remember, and it reflected poorly on rossane barr.

And by most of the "reasoning" I've seen in this thread, unfortunately, it OUGHT to have reflected poorly on every American citizen everywhere.

Bonkthat_Again: I'd be singing a different tune if that was the case...



in spanish, right?

bboy: And by most of the "reasoning" I've seen in this thread, unfortunately, it OUGHT to have reflected poorly on every American citizen everywhere.

if fark were charades, i'd be vigorously touching my nose right about now.

jpbreon
mess with the most important songs in this land

How exactly can a song be considered important? I mean, the story of it's creation is inspirational, but it's not like the song itself has any bearing on the country.

Something tells me if there was some bastardized version of the anthem bashing Mexicans, people would be laughing and singing it. Here, I'll put my genius to evil use for one moment:

O say, can you see, by the lawn's early light,
What so proudly we mow till the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad blade and bright rake, through the perilous brush,
O'er the sprinklers we mowed, and had to pay compensation!
And the hot sauce red glare, the gas bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our family of 20 living in a one bedroom apartment was still there:
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the white america we are relentlessly invading?

Bonkthat_Again: How about "I'm sick of people coming to America, demanding it change for them, and not even bothering to respect the existing culture"

....who demanded that you change anything?

are these artists going to show up at your house and force you to sing the song in spanish, or something?

Kazan: this makes me think you're either being sarcastic about soccer, or a complete freaking idiot.



well at least it only took you 3 replies to get the joke.

Bonkthat_Again: How about "I'm sick of people coming to America, demanding it change for them, and not even bothering to respect the existing culture"

At my favorite Mexican restaurant here in town, hamburgers and french fries are on the menu, and ordered almost exclusively by Mexican children.

Bonkthat_Again: You might as well compare the merits of Rap to Rock.

I heart this thread.

Action Replay Nick

No, I would not find ethnic bashing funny, and even less funny is people perverting our national anthem to humilate others (I understand you did it to prove a point). The national anthem gives me pride when I hear it, and hope that we can mature and pass these rough times with ease. And it is offensive when other people treat it like a dub mix to enflame a debate.

Bonkthat_Again: Whoa....let's not start arguing sports. THAT is farking stupid. You might as well compare the merits of Rap to Rock.



chage that to XM vs Sirius/Opie and Anthony vs. Stern and you are on.

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2 out of 3 Americans don't know the words to the national anthem.

Now THAT is offensive.

http://www.menc.org/publication/press/releases/anthemstudy_jun04.html

jpbreon
And it is offensive when other people treat it like a dub mix to enflame a debate.

You do realize that the anthem is itself a "dub mix" of To Anacreon in Heaven?

Where's the Anacreontic outrage?

patrick682

I agree. But you remember that thread where more people could name the 5 simpsons than the 5 rights garunteed under the First Amendment.

Bonkthat_Again: When I say "demand" i mean "refuse to learn English".

there must be some translation that i'm missing here, then. can we go back to binary?

In my town, there's a petition (among illegals nonetheless) to put duplicate signs at the train station. All the signs are in English and they want additional ones in Spanish. Now, the Retion of Spanish speaking to English speaking people in my town is about 1-25.

well...see...you've got a gripe there. a valid one. go with it.

what the shiat does that have to do w/ some twerps in a recording studio?

What's the fuss? You fools act like people show up at soccer games here.

Action Replay Nick

Not sure. I wasn't alive then. I assume there was, but since it is so long ago and so irrelevant to our discussion, I'm not going to research to find out.

jpbreon

Yea, I remember that. I am sometimes shocked by the stupidity of our fellow Americans.

As an aside, I was channel surfing the other night, and came across some beauty pageant show on mtv. There was this girl (probably 17 or so) who was saying how she always gives very intellectual answers to the pageant questions. Then someone asked who the current vice-president was, and her response was "Kennedy."

W.T.F.

jpbreon

I'm also willing to bet that most people think the Anthem was written about the war for independence, and not the war of 1812.

I'm also willing to bet most people don't even know there was a war of 1812, much the less what it was about.

I wonder, would the British allow 'God Save the Queen' to be sung in Arabic

sumpinlikedat

sure seems to be the case, at least.

Bonkthat_Again: Well, because of my little gripe, i am making the assumption that the Spanish Anthem will be played at some high school soccer game in the future...We'll see if i'm right. I tend to agree with jpbreon

well....beyond that, you are making the assumption that it will be demanded. mayhap the school would *want* to do something like that. will america go *poof* and disappear up it's collective ass when/if that happens? does it cost you anything, or deny you anything? i live in BFE indiana, and i remember a football game in highschool where the band played 'o canada' during halftime...no canadians were likely even at the stadium...the band just learned a new song and wanted to play it. somehow, you, i, and the country at large survived.

you'll get no argument from me - this is without a doubt a misstep on their part. they coulda recorded it in english, and likely have made a point without all of the blather.

that said, i'm just not seeing everything that is being attached to this conversation as...actually having anything to do w/ some twerps in a recording studio.

kmt11: I wonder, would the British allow 'God Save the Queen' to be sung in Arabic

Do you think they'd deport you and immediately assume every one of your countrymen everywhere was bent on destroying British culture?

kmt11: I wonder, would the British allow 'God Save the Queen' to be sung in Arabic

i'm not sure what language sid vicious was speaking, but...are you suggesting that any free country should mandate how certain songs should be sung? the 'allow' thing is kinda throwing me here...

patrick862

I can imagine. And the real catcher is that those in power LOVE that ignorance. It means a continued supply of morons to feed them money and power.

jpbreon: those in power LOVE that ignorance. It means a continued supply of morons to feed them money and power.

If only we could raise awareness of the War of 1812, our country could get back on track.

Perhaps "allow" was the wrong word, I guess "be content with" would be better

Crooow!

I was referring to the lack of knowing who the Vice-President is.

Bonkthat_Again: I'm just a subscriber to "You can't make everyone happy all the time". I think English should be made the official language.

without a doubt - things like what you mentioned (multilingual signs) are a waste of both time and resources. i don't know about the 'official language' bit, just really have no opinion in that territory.

would your interpretation of 'official' mandate that certain songs can only be sung in english?

Butchering the National Anthem is right next to burning the flag for me.

then i suggest you don't do either.

both are nothing but symbols -- and the very thing they symbolize is the freedom to do both things you described.