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(Virginian Pilot)   Man released after 18 years in jail when DNA absolves him of rape; sues policeman that put him there   (home.hamptonroads.com ) divider line 263
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2006-04-26 03:56:01 PM  
mama's_tasty_foods great points. I like how a paid doctor found him a little retarted. I bet if you paid another doctor he would say he is even more retarted.
 
2006-04-26 03:56:32 PM  
Let's increase the number of capital punishment cases and eliminate appeals beacuse innocent people never are wrongly convicted.
 
2006-04-26 03:57:27 PM  
look out for this guy--we had a asshole here in wisconsin that got sent to prison for 18 years for rape--new dna evidence let him out of prison--less than a year later he was arrested for the kidnapping, rape, torture, murder and dismemberment of a young woman--turns out the guy was a real turd--like to kill and torture animals--tried to rape a few women--apparently the only rape he DIDN'T commit was the one he was sent to prison for

by the way--he sued the police department that convicted him--he won an out of court settlement--now he can use that to defend himself now--too bad he enlisted his 15 year old nephew to help him--he confessed--and they have more evidence than they had on OJ--i'm sure this guy deserved to be in prison for something--maybe not murder--but he sure wasn't a choir boy
 
2006-04-26 03:58:29 PM  
GenericAmerican You really couldn't be more of a troll especially with the racist remark. But anyone being interrogated can stop at any time by asking for an attorney. once that happens that can't ask another question.
 
2006-04-26 03:59:20 PM  
Why do they always take 20 years to get around to DNA testing these guys? shiat, if I was falsely convicted of a crime, I would give them three kinds of DNA right there in the middle of the courtroom. Though I might get some deserved jail time for spitting in the prosecutors face.
 
2006-04-26 04:00:27 PM  
Man I LOVE cops, I got the best drugs from them when I lived in Miami. Them Miami River cops, they were the BEST! Sure, they killed a few people here and there, but how else are you going to get such good dope?
 
2006-04-26 04:00:33 PM  
Locke3k, ok good point. I am a white male and I do notice that I tend to cruise through border crossings so I probably fit into quite a few "harmless, no worries" profiles. I can certainly believe that some cops (just like some Americans, go figure) are racist.

But still, I think calling all cops racist bastards is going a bit far.
 
2006-04-26 04:01:00 PM  
was anyone else a little confused by who was who between the williamses, wilmores, and washingtons?
 
2006-04-26 04:01:20 PM  
cops lie? NO WAY!

Don't worry, the "brotherhood" will get his estate some nice union lawyers.

Because everyone is against the cops.

Civil servants DO NOT need unions.
 
2006-04-26 04:01:25 PM  
why are ANY confessions EVER allowed in court?
why are people EVER questioned without a lawyer present?

sick and tired of this bullshiat!
 
2006-04-26 04:03:00 PM  
why are people EVER questioned without a lawyer present?

1) People are dumb
2) People think that lawyers are only for guilty people
3) People are TOLD that lawyers are only for guilty people
 
2006-04-26 04:03:08 PM  
The fact that cops can figure out how to put video cameras in all their cars, but can't quite seem to grasp recording interrogations speaks volumes.

If juries could see what cops do to elicit these "confessions", there would be a lot fewer people in jail.
 
2006-04-26 04:03:33 PM  
Another reason why they need to raise the standards for becoming a Pig. 2 Years in Community college and they give you a badge and a gun. Pretty sad if you think about it.
 
2006-04-26 04:04:23 PM  
LOCNAR69 Exactly! How many people wrongly convicted shouldn't be in jail anyways? Most people wrongly convicted have rapsheets.
 
2006-04-26 04:05:45 PM  
"I'm pretty much leery of all "confessions". Too many of them are obtained under dubious pretenses."

Cops assume you are guilty until proven innocent. After a good 12 hours of someone screaming at you, "you are guilty, just admit it" and twisting your words over and over...

"Dude, I really hate this kind of interrogation"
"What? Hate? So you admit you're a racist!"
"No, I said I hated..."
"AHA!!! You ARE a RACIST!"

Some of these cops can convince you, you just raped your mother and left her for dead or just prod you repeatedly until you'll admit to just about anything to make it stop.
 
2006-04-26 04:06:03 PM  
Jument: You farkers who apparently hate cops should have to live in a world without them and see how you like it.


If such a world existed, I'd move there in a heartbeat!
 
2006-04-26 04:06:31 PM  
Solitary: "And cops' testimony is worthless, they're professional liars."

A little bitter about something in your past?
 
2006-04-26 04:07:46 PM  
NamBud: If you weren't such a pussy, you would not need cops. They are there to protect you. That is about it. I would rather be in Deadwood than the shiat we have today with crooked people and crooked cops "policing" those people. Come now. Nubs.


Ha ha ha! STFU you fool. I looked at your profile. Your ass could easily be kicked by an 8 year old girl. You need cops, trust me. You would be eaten alive outside of suburbia.
 
2006-04-26 04:08:16 PM  
I painted all cops with the same brush for a long time; that is, until, by chance, I got to know a couple of them. Surprise! They're pretty normal, honest folks who are trying to do a job that most of us reading this article wouldn't do on a dare. The guys I know seem to be doing it because they honestly want to be of service to their fellow citizens. They're certainly not doing it for the money. While they're paid okay wages, they could be working in the private sector for a lot more, with a lot less stress, not to mention a lot less personal risk.

Yeah, some cops lie on the stand (they call it testalying), usually because they think they've got the guilty person (and frankly, they probably do, though that doesn't justify it) and not out of some form of hatred or bias. Those that do so deserve to be punished.

Zeal can go too far, as it did in the Escondido case, where a young boy was coerced, brainwashed, if you will, into making a confession to the murder of his sister when he had absolutely no involvement in the crime (it turned out to be a transient).

Being hammered for hours on end with accusations can make you doubt your own sanity and cause you to confess to any farking thing, just to make it stop. I would not be at all surprised to discover that something like that may be involved in this case, as well as diminished mental capacity.
 
2006-04-26 04:08:30 PM  
LOCNAR60, are you aware that the double-dash (sometimes called the m-dash) is not acceptable, common, nor logical punctuation for ending a sentence?

That hurt my logic.
 
2006-04-26 04:09:11 PM  
The Homer Tax: sue the jury

That would bring the entire system tumbling down like a house of cards.

/most people don't want to be at jury duty in the first place
 
2006-04-26 04:09:43 PM  
Jument

I don't think they're ALL racist bastards, but I wouldn't shy away from saying that there is a larger percentage of assholes/racists who are police officers than in the general populace. Assholes/racists tend to enjoy the instant authority given by a badge.

/no, I don't have statistics to cite
//no, I'm not saying the majority of cops are assholes/racists
 
2006-04-26 04:10:04 PM  
I'm not sure I understand this. He's suing the estate of a man that's been dead for 12 years, and therefore can't even defend himself. I assume that the estate has been probated and has gone to the man's heirs and likely been conmingled with the rest of their property. If he gets an award, where will the money come from? The heirs, who are undoubtably completely innocent?
 
2006-04-26 04:10:59 PM  
Ya see.. If they had just executed him, this whole Innocence-by-DNA-theory would be a moot point.
 
2006-04-26 04:11:22 PM  
namatad They are questioned without their lawyer because they didn't ask for a lawyer.

pvd021 Most civil service jobs do not require any college so you are wrong. Not one police department in this country gives a gun to someone out of college. All police departments make you go through rigorous training. But you don't care you hate cops cause your a punk.
 
2006-04-26 04:13:43 PM  
See, it hurt my logic so much that I screwed up my own grammr in my response.

/le psi
 
2006-04-26 04:13:58 PM  
Jument
Seriously, I have great respect for cops. I've never met a bad one. You farkers who apparently hate cops should have to live in a world without them and see how you like it.

Personally, I've never been in need of the police, and seriously doubt I ever will. I carry a pistol EVERYWHERE I go, and can provide for my OWN personal protection.

As far as cops being such great guys, tell that to the Airman that was popped three times recently by an arsehole cop for obeying his order.

Airman was the PASSENGER in a car driven by a drunk guy. He has handcuffed sitting on the curb. The cop tells him to stand up, and when the airman tries to stand up, the cop shoots him three times at point blank range.

From what I understand, the airman is STILL in hospital 2 months later, and the cop was charge with some minor bullshiat charge instead of attempted murder.

I dont like cops...I dont NEED cops. The Police are there to provide for the security of the general public NOT to serve as individual bodyguards. Ironically, if every law-abiding citizen posessed and carried a firearm, there would be ZERO need for the police.

Someone burglarize your home while you were gone? Back the the old days, if your neighbor saw someone breaking into your house, said neighbor would wait for the robber to exit your house and them drop him with a few 357Mags and call it justice served. Nowadays, thanks to lawyers and cops, the neighbor protecting your home would be arrested and charged.

See what I mean? Things would be soooooo much better if the people that commit crimes realized that they would be shot dead for committing crimes instead of being arrested then released 5 hours later...while totally INNOCENT peole get to sit in jail for DECADES thanks to over-zealous cops and DA's.

For the record: Most states have a provision that states that false arrest is defensable by deadly force.
 
2006-04-26 04:16:33 PM  
ichiban

Maybe it was a RoboCop.
 
2006-04-26 04:17:51 PM  
lordargent
That would bring the entire system tumbling down like a house of cards.

or we could do away with juries and have something closer to what the system looks like in Europe. Tribunals, less media coverage, smaller civil payouts, less appeals to emotion, etc.
 
2006-04-26 04:18:02 PM  
SpiltMilk Try here, Darfur, they have no cops. You probably wouldn't survive an hour.
 
2006-04-26 04:18:57 PM  
LA270Hunter: For the record: Most states have a provision that states that false arrest is defensable by deadly force.

Really? Can you back that up? I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter
 
2006-04-26 04:20:15 PM  
NamBud: If you weren't such a pussy, you would not need cops. They are there to protect you. That is about it. I would rather be in Deadwood than the shiat we have today with crooked people and crooked cops "policing" those people. Come now. Nubs.

You sir, are the biggest freaking MORON I have ever encountered in years of wasting time on the internet. Why don't you ask the women who are regularly robbed and raped on their way to get wood to fuel their cooking stoves in Darfur what it's like to live without any form of police protection.
 
2006-04-26 04:20:23 PM  
thersites122000
Spoken like an embittered member of the legal industry. :)



Not embittered, just resigned to reality

As far as this poor guy's case, I feel for him. Hopefully some fool hasn't convinced him he's going to get rich really soon. And I'm not anti-cop, but I would NEVER speak to anyone about a crime without my lawyer present, no matter how innocent I may be.
 
2006-04-26 04:23:19 PM  
FlashLV: SpiltMilk Try here, Darfur, they have no cops. You probably wouldn't survive an hour.

That's the best you've got?

I wouldn't move to the middle east regardless of the presence of cops. That place has been in a state of war for a thousand years.

Got another?
 
2006-04-26 04:23:43 PM  
Great Caesar's Toast

Look it up for yourself, tard....I've already done the research.
 
2006-04-26 04:24:13 PM  
Contrabulous Flabtraption

First error, you think I need to fight to protect myself. lol See 2nd ammendment little man. Also see LA270Hunter's post. He hit the nail on the head.

Second error, you are assuming by looking at a picture of me that I can't fight. That is a serious error made on the part of a lot of dead people when looking upon those they "think" are easy prey. I promise you that if I am put to the test and offended seriously enough, I will fight the biggest baddest ugliest mutherfarker you put in front of me. I have before, and yes, I have had my ass beat in the process. The point is that I do not need a cop to back me up or anyone else for that matter. I am not so sure you could say the same. If I am losing seriously, please refer back to error number one.

Carry on...
 
2006-04-26 04:24:33 PM  
Locke3k I agree with that last statement. I would never want to be tried by a jury unless it was for money. If it was for money I would become a millionaire because of them. If it was for a crime and if my attorney sucked I would probably go to jail.
 
2006-04-26 04:24:53 PM  
LA270Hunter: Look it up for yourself, tard....I've already done the research.

What's with the attitude? I was genuinely curious, I agree we could use less cops, tard.
 
2006-04-26 04:26:29 PM  
Great Caesar's Toast: LA270Hunter: Look it up for yourself, tard....I've already done the research.

What's with the attitude? I was genuinely curious, I agree we could use less cops, tard.


Attitude generally means "full of shiat".
 
2006-04-26 04:27:39 PM  
SpiltMilk That's an example of LAWLESSNESS and exactly what you asked for.
 
2006-04-26 04:27:43 PM  
InflatableJesus: Attitude generally means "full of shiat".

Agreed
 
2006-04-26 04:28:16 PM  
LA270Hunter
For the record: Most states have a provision that states that false arrest is defensable by deadly force.

Look it up for yourself, tard....I've already done the research.


Troll, troll, troll your boat
Gently down the thread...
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,
Kick you in the head.
 
2006-04-26 04:28:32 PM  
A guy that spent 19 years in jail for rape but had it overturned on DNA evidence spoke at my highschool. There are way to many stories like this out there. There was a judge that wouldn't allow the DNA evidence and after the 19th year he retired, DNA was allowed, and it turns out some other guy did it. It gets worse still since the statuate of limitations had past so the real criminal got away scott free and the innocent man got no help from the prison since he was technically inoccent the whole time. He was stabbed and beaten in prison for being a rapist, the most amazing part is how he forgave the girl who identified him as the rapist because he kind of looked like the guy that did it.
 
2006-04-26 04:28:50 PM  
LOCNAR69

look out for this guy--we had a asshole here in wisconsin that got sent to prison for 18 years for rape--new dna evidence let him out of prison--less than a year later he was arrested for the kidnapping, rape, torture, murder and dismemberment of a young woman--turns out the guy was a real turd--like to kill and torture animals--tried to rape a few women--apparently the only rape he DIDN'T commit was the one he was sent to prison for [...] i'm sure this guy deserved to be in prison for something--maybe not murder--but he sure wasn't a choir boy

Way to generalize from the specific. So let me see if I understand your logic: one person who was falsely accused turned out to, never the less, be a criminal therefore all people who are falsely accused are actually criminals.

I'm hoping you don't have a career that requires any amount of critical reasoning.
 
2006-04-26 04:29:27 PM  
Great Caesar's Toast

My appologies for misreading you then.

If you go to packing.org, and read each state's justifications for the use of deadly force, I think there's somewhere around 30-35 states that list deadl force as justifies to prevent false arrest by officers of the law under false pretenses.

Meaning, if a cop sets you up and tries to arrest you for a crime you did not commit, or if he/she tries to frame you somehow (ie. plants 'evidence' in your car) then tries to arrest you, you can defend your right of freedom with deadly force because in essence, the cop is illegally taking away your freedom.
 
2006-04-26 04:30:29 PM  
To all who say "why the hell would an innocent dude confess...". Well, I used to think I was tuff shiat, "can't break me", and all that. It is not really about intimidation. It is more about mind farking. I have taken lie detector tests. Those can be extremely stressfull. I have been in mock interrogations, done by professionals, experts what have you. Believe me, some of them can convince you that grass is purple. I mean, fark, I had a philosphy professor once who had almost the entire class thinking their existances were nothing but brains floating in tanks hooked up to some devices.
 
2006-04-26 04:30:38 PM  
SpiltMilk: I wouldn't move to the middle east regardless of the presence of cops. That place has been in a state of war for a thousand years.


LOL

Get a freaking Map you jackass!
Darfur is in Sudan, here, try learning something.
And I'm not saying all cops are wonderful, but if you removed police protection it wouldn't take long for large portions of this country to devolve to a state of utter chaos and lawlessness.

www.pbs.org
 
2006-04-26 04:31:09 PM  
FlashLV: SpiltMilk That's an example of LAWLESSNESS and exactly what you asked for.

Really? Where did I say that? Oh, right - I didn't!

I never said I asked for 'LAWLESSNESS', rather a lack of a police force. Huge difference there.

The absence of leaders is not the same as the absence of order.
 
2006-04-26 04:32:13 PM  
Its more than the mildly retarded who are susceptible to making false confessions

Even assuming I don't beat the hell out you until you talk, it's still easy to get you to confess to crimes you didn't do.

Give me 72 hours with you, in a locked room, where I control when you sleep, eat, and go to the bathroom. Then, let me lie to you ten ways to Sunday about what the evidence "proves" (whether or not I have any) and what the "witnesses" saw (whether or not there are any). Let me threaten you with dire legal consequences if you don't talk, and hint that you'll get off super easy if you do. (all legal and acceptable under current law)

You'll resist for a while, swear you did nothing wrong, and each time you do I'll call you a liar and pretend to get angrier and angrier with you. Somewhere around the 20-25th hour , when your judgement is blurry from sleep deprivation and hunger, and stress; I'll take a new tack.

I'll ask you to help me think of ways this Could have happened, how the Killer could have done it. You'll oblige because you want to be helpful and want to get the hell out of there. I'll feed you bits of the crime scene and let the power of suggestion paint the pictures in your mind. Then I will turn on you and tell you I KNOW you did it, because you've told me things ONLY the killer could know.

At this point, You'll begin to doubt your own memories, and your own sanity. You will wonder if those pictures you now have in your head of the crime are imaginary, or real memories. Sooner or later, while I sympathetically whisper in your ear about how you are helping yourself by taking responsibility, you'll write and sign (or just sign something I typed) a confession to a crime you are completely innocent of.

Six months later at trial, when none of the evidence points to you, and you can knock holes in the story of every government witness; It won't mena a ddamn because the prosecutor will simply have to produce your signed confession and the jury will say:

"well I'd never confess to something like this if I hadn't done it. He must be guilty"


The one and ONLY thing you EVER say in a police station; guilty or not, is " I want to speak with an attorney" and then say NOTHING. No matter what they say, threate, hint or offer. Do NOT begin a new conversation with them or you've waived your assertion of a right to an attorney.
 
2006-04-26 04:32:33 PM  
chechcal: Darfur is in Sudan, here, try learning something.


OK. I stand corrected. I wouldn't move to Africa, either. So there.
 
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