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2006-04-20 08:14:19 PM
gonzo79
Like your freedom?

Yeah, since everyone knows Saddam was about to attack America with his vast armies of sandpeople.
 
2006-04-20 08:14:28 PM
So, gonzo79, what are you doing to stop wiretaps and internet trawling? Oh that's right, if you try to stop the real infractions on American freedom in a time of war you're a "traitor" and can be sentenced to death. Freedom is lost within. The bad guys have to TAKE OVER THE COUNTRY before they can take away freedom.

In fact, they already have, proceed to shoot your ideology in the foot, please.
 
2006-04-20 08:14:30 PM
World War II actually, you know, accomplished things too. With the current conflict, we would have been better off taking the money and burning it: at least then we wouldn't have pissed off millions more in the middle east and maybe heated a few homes.
 
2006-04-20 08:14:48 PM
gonzo79: 1200 bucks is a small price to pay (into taxes) for freedom
Except that I would much rather prefer my 1200 went towards something that WASN'T A WAR.
I dunno... something that possibly improves the quality of life in our own country.

Like your freedom? or maybe your childs perhaps?




Wow, I'm giving you a +1 skill increase in Troll. Or flamewar starting. Your choice.

/us liberals just hates the freedom!
 
2006-04-20 08:14:50 PM
Like your freedom? or maybe your childs perhaps?

I (and lots of others) would like an explaination as to how this war is buying our freedom.
 
2006-04-20 08:16:14 PM
Snarfangel: /why can't we be kind of like a Swiss superpower?

That's a great question. We'd all be able to own guns (that will please the extreme right), and we'd be involved in exactly zero wars (that will please the extreme left). Everyone in the middle would just have to deal with all that extra prosperity and lower taxes we'd have because we wouldn't have to fund a huge military.

Sounds awful!
 
2006-04-20 08:16:17 PM
Anyone care to explain how so many smart people can be against this, but be completely incapable of fixing it?
 
2006-04-20 08:16:50 PM
Another way of looking at it: with the money spent thus far alone, we could have given every man, woman and child in Iraq a flight to the United States with something like $10,000 each left over. What. The. fark. Couldn't we have just dropped pennies on these people or something?
 
2006-04-20 08:16:50 PM
gonzo79

Who are we at war with?
 
2006-04-20 08:17:42 PM
Scothand --

Smart people = elitists

/Bush is down home people.
 
2006-04-20 08:17:42 PM
Every time I pump gas I ask myself...

"Didn't we win this war...twice?"

Weren't we promised a BETTER economy due to lower gas rates?
 
2006-04-20 08:17:47 PM
scothand
Anyone care to explain how so many smart people can be against this, but be completely incapable of fixing it?

Some problems just don't have a solution, y'know.
 
2006-04-20 08:17:48 PM
eh. $3389.83 wouldn't have bought me much freedom anyway. At least not after taxes.

/one trillion what?!?
//you guys'll buy anything
 
2006-04-20 08:18:00 PM
gonzo79

Claiming that invading Iraq and "rebuilding" for 1 trillion dollars is impacting my level of freedom is pretty much a big stretch when you compare the alternative uses for 1 trillion dollars.
 
2006-04-20 08:18:55 PM
You know what we really need to get our minds off all this money being spent on the Iraq war?

We need another war! Go Iranian invasion!

It's like going on a shopping spree to cheer yourself up when you're bummed about your credit card bills. What could be more American?
 
2006-04-20 08:18:55 PM
In comparison, the Trojan War costed an estimated $20 trillion in adjusted dollars. The Horse alone was $500 billion.

/numbers are either the exact truth or pulled out of my ass
 
2006-04-20 08:19:00 PM
Wait, so Halliburton is not only getting my tax dollars right now, but they are also getting my son's future tax dollars AND and grandson's future tax dollars as well?
 
2006-04-20 08:20:54 PM
Even though I disagree with the retarded idea of building a fence along the southern border, a lot of the people who support the war also support the construction of such a thing. I bet $1T USD coulda got you that fence. You can only have one or the other...
 
2006-04-20 08:20:55 PM
gonzo79
www.cnn.com
"The troll is strong in this one..."
 
2006-04-20 08:21:30 PM
scothand

The main thing is that I am not in a position of power for which I could work on solving it. I vote for people I think could do a better job at it, but generally get outvoted. I think that attempting to overthrow the government by force would not be worth it.
 
2006-04-20 08:21:31 PM
Incapable or unwilling?
 
2006-04-20 08:22:21 PM
Sweaty Jerry

Another way of looking at it: with the money spent thus far alone, we could have given every man, woman and child in Iraq a flight to the United States with something like $10,000 each left over. What. The. fark. Couldn't we have just dropped pennies on these people or something?


From how high up are we talking about here? If we're talking from a high-flying aircraft, I know of MUCH better people we could have dropped those pennies on that would've made me a lot happier.

For example: That bastard who picked on me when I was a Junior in highschool.

We really need energy independence so we don't have to deal with shiat like this. I would like to create a fuel that runs exclusively off the tears of Chinese babies. We could just have a factories filled with babies, and baby-slapping machines.
 
2006-04-20 08:22:24 PM
I was simply quoting the article saying it would cost 1200 for every family in the United States. I am not out to piss anyone off. I just think that people who complain about taxes or wars should also realize that if we dont hunt down terrorists then you will have your own dilemma here in our home country. Would you rather pay more taxes or have your children fighting in the streets against angry muslims? Your choice.

img228.imageshack.us

YOU the "people" put him into office now we have to face the consequences. Sorry for offending anyone.
 
2006-04-20 08:22:57 PM
Couldn't we have just dropped pennies on these people or something?

From REALLY REALLY REALLY high up.
 
2006-04-20 08:23:35 PM
A trillion dollars? No problem.

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2006-04-20 08:23:38 PM
sgtbarthel
Wait, so Halliburton is not only getting my tax dollars right now, but they are also getting my son's future tax dollars AND and grandson's future tax dollars as well?

No, not really. Haliburton is getting all the money right now, as we're borrowing the money to pay them.

Your "son's future tax dollars AND and grandson's future tax dollars", will be going to paying a ridiculous amount of debt, and interest, to the Chinese.
 
2006-04-20 08:25:29 PM
Well, according to my math...

$1 trillion / 295 million people = $3,389.83 for every man, woman and child in the US.


~130mil personal tax returns are filed each year.

So it's closer to $7700.
 
2006-04-20 08:26:07 PM
Too bad this is so sad, cause it would be funny.

/Glad I don't pay yankee taxes.
 
2006-04-20 08:26:55 PM
lol, freedom isn't free!

/whose freedom?
//dont ask me :p
 
2006-04-20 08:27:11 PM
Bush's idiocy has surpassed anything I originally feared. All you people complaining about him who originally voted for him because of Clinton's BJ, because Bush said "God" a lot when campaigning, or because you believed a politician when he said he would bring honesty to a political position, please line up against the wall to recieve your cockpunches. This mess is as much your fault as it is Bush's.

Gore may have been a little wooden, but at least he seemed competent.
 
2006-04-20 08:27:17 PM
A trillion dollars? No problem; just print out an Ed Meese.
 
2006-04-20 08:27:42 PM
gonzo79

"I just think that people who complain about taxes or wars should also realize that if we dont hunt down terrorists then you will have your own dilemma here in our home country."

All the domestic terrorism that happened in this country, was carried out By people that had permission to be here.
 
2006-04-20 08:28:19 PM
any of you mathmeticans out there want to calculate how much 100 trillion pennies would cost? I think it would cost more to make them then they were worth!sorry for the threadjack for calculatory reasons =)
 
2006-04-20 08:28:30 PM
THESE COLORS DONT RUN!!!!11111oneoneone
 
2006-04-20 08:29:41 PM
1 Trillion? We could have had this war, or we could have built 2000 World Trade Centers.

fark it, the terrorists won. If anyone had told me this country would go this apeshiat over so short of a time, I'd have laughed.
 
2006-04-20 08:29:47 PM
gonzo79

any of you mathmeticans out there want to calculate how much 100 trillion pennies would cost? I think it would cost more to make them then they were worth!sorry for the threadjack for calculatory reasons =)


Not if we make them with cheap Mexican illegal immigrant labor! See, you've got to look on the bright side of these situations.
 
2006-04-20 08:30:56 PM
gonzo79

I just don't think you "get" why people are mad. This war isn't about TERRORISM... It's about the perceived illusion of terrorism. Think back to what the reason for going to Iraq was about... WMDs, right? How is a military weapon system possessed by a sovereign nation terrorism? Explain that to me. The thousands dead in Iraq were NOT all terrorists.

The money spent on Iraq did not go up in smoke. It all went to weapons manufacturers and oil-profiteers and no-bid contractors. All of them FRIENDS of the President. He's robbed America under the premise of terrorism and made great leaps in undermining the basic tenets of American policy.

Nothing that the president does is for "the good of America" it's all for the good of those who got him into power. That ain't the people who voted for him, either. Think about it.
 
2006-04-20 08:31:59 PM
Not if we make them with cheap Mexican illegal immigrant labor! See, you've got to look on the bright side of these situations.

Can we pay them to make the border wall thingy too! =) "just build it from your side and we will send a rubber check" =)
 
2006-04-20 08:31:59 PM
Gonzo79

Personally I dont think terrorists would ever get to the level of "fighting in the streets". It would all be cowardly suicide bombings, and the like. Besides, we took out a bunch of them in Afghanistan, and if we didnt seriosuly cripple their manpower we must have at least disrupted any MAJOR plans they could ahve been planning. I just dont see where taking over Iraq factored into my "homeland security". I certainly dont feel any safer, not with a power crazed midget with his finger on the "Nuke the U.S." button over in North Korea. Besides, where are those WMDs?
 
2006-04-20 08:32:20 PM
Money isn't real anyway.
 
2006-04-20 08:32:42 PM
Don't feel sorry for us, we just a $400 tax break. And don't blame me, I voted for the other guy twice.

/And don't worry about the turrists gonzo79, I got this special rock that protects us those evil doers.
//Hunter S. is spinning in his grave. Well, if he was buried.
 
2006-04-20 08:32:46 PM
 
2006-04-20 08:33:48 PM
1 trillion?

From TFA: "According to the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, the United States spent $48 billion for Iraq in 2003, $59 billion in 2004, and $81 billion in 2005. The center predicts the figure will balloon to $94 billion for 2006."

48 + 59 + 81 + 94 = 282 billion, which is somewhat less than 1 trillion.
 
2006-04-20 08:35:11 PM
Yes our grandchildren will be ever so thankful.
 
2006-04-20 08:35:11 PM
Citizen Snip

Unfortunately, it is unlikey that the war will be over by the end of this year.
 
2006-04-20 08:36:17 PM
And how about the interest on 282 billion dollars and do you really think this will be over in 2006?
 
2006-04-20 08:36:58 PM
I also suggest bombarding Iraq's cities with air-dropped Chinese babies. Put the fear of God into 'em!

Is there anything that Chinese babies CAN'T do?
 
2006-04-20 08:38:16 PM
Just think of all the poor kids we could have sent to college instead of sending them to get killed in this BS.
 
2006-04-20 08:38:27 PM
...wellllll...chinese babies can't beat Chuck Norris
 
2006-04-20 08:38:33 PM
The wall the Minutemen want to build is $125-$150 per foot. We could make it an even $1000/foot, and have a wall that almost stretches to the moon.
 
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