I am ambivalent regarding this news, with a slight inclination toward fierce pro-vigilante satisfaction.

/Boondock Saints may be stupid college kid bullshiat, but you can't tell me you've never had fantasies about taking out the bad guys
//"Guys" don't get much "badder" than sex offenders
///Except that crazy little-girl-eating psychopath from yesterday
////Yeesh

bbcrackmonkey: I think that any sex offender is far more worried about the prison sentence when thinking about leaving witnesses alive than they are about what happens to them after prison. You DO know what their fellow inmates do to child molesters, right?

One, that's a beautiful strawman argument you got there (not all sex offenders are child molesters); I won't even address the notion that a relatively short term in prison is of more pressing concern to a sex offender than the threat of death...that's just silly. Two, that "rumor" is grossly exaggerated (sort of like recidivism statistics that people pull straight out of their asses). If child molestors/rapists are so readily killed while in prison, then why do so many of them get out of prison? Seems to me that if so many were getting killed, we'd at least have some kind of reduction in recidivism rates simply because they don't survive prison. ;)

Look, I'm as disgusted and angered by sex crimes as the next person (perhaps moreso: I have actually volunteered in the field of counseling/education/prevention because I think it is that important an issue), but I am not naive enough to try to equate rape/incest/molestation with murder. That's just asinine. Dead people never get better. Traumatized people CAN get better. Some don't, but many do. Hell, most do.

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I'm such a nerd.

Wait, the article only said they were sex offenders only. That dosen't immediately mean that they were pedophiles. They could've just been plain-old, boring power-hungry rapists.

.....

not like that makes them BETTER or more deserving to be alive, but still...

smage: If child molestors/rapists are so readily killed while in prison, then why do so many of them get out of prison?

The other prisoners don't kill them, they just make their lives hell through repeated beatings, rapes, etc. That's what I was talking about when I asked if you knew what other prisoners did to sex offenders. The primary motivation for them killing a witness is to avoid prison. If they avoid prison, they avoid all the sex-offender registry crap and 'prison justice' by other inmates and all the other negative consequences of their act.

AdamK: oh hey, that guy raped a 30 year old woman! but it's not as bad as raping a 8 year old! - sure, it's not as bad... but applying this as law? fark that bullshiat, now it's subjective

Actually, according to most state laws, it IS worse to rape an 8 year old than it is to rape a 30 year old.

And according to most state laws, murder IS subjective. There are certain standards that your murder has to meet in order for you to recieve the death penalty, like murdering a child, murdering a police officer or other federal employee, murdering somebody during the commission of another felony, etc.

Felgraf: But the act of *speeding* is intentional, and does put others at risk.

Yes but the act of speeding is something that everyone with a car does, and we can have a whole other argument about whether slow drivers are more dangerous than fast drivers, but you can't compare it to child molestation.

Angel of Death

That is a beautiful reference!!!!!! If assuming those guys kept their victims alive.
I am a fan of mandatory castration of pedo-recidivists, not the ones accused of statutory though, mind you, there is a lot of grey area. Anyhoo, go ahead and bash me for neglecting "b-b-b-but it's cruel and unusual". Killing doesn't do squat, in fact it puts the criminal out of his/her misery and cheapens the sense of retribution.
The punishment must fit the crime.
Would I be happy if I knew the criminal who molested kids on my block is dead? Maybe, but there will be some remorse for the dead of a human being...
Would I be happy if I knew the criminal who molested kids on my block is being raped himself in all sorts of unholy ways very night for the next decade or so? Definately!

bbcrackmonkey - you are so full of shiat. Sex offenders in prison are isolated from the general population. And sex offenders do not kill because they are fearful of what happens when out of prison or in prison. They do it because they either do not want to go to prison, or it is sexually gratifying.

sprgrss: That is assuming that I fail as a parent in teaching them to not take candy from a stranger and to not go into a strangers house. You seem to think that 13 year olds are extremely nave. They aren't. Now please quit with the logical fallacies.

I am almost willing to admit defeat on this statement, but...........
as was mentioned above, just because some anecdotal evidence of friends of mine being molested as 13 year olds doesn't necessarily dictate the norm, nor does that many parents are resposible for thier chilren's street knowledge, such as your own, as indicated in your posts.
Naive? It's all relative. I remember pulling many things over on adults, but yet bad things happened to friends who had a similiar social upbringing.

bbcrackmonkey, you still have answered the question of whether or not the girl who took your virginity deserves to be labeled as a sex offender, be listed in a sex offender registry, and ultimately murdered by a vigilante.

sprgrss: Sex offenders in prison are isolated from the general population.

No, they are not. Now please, you turn to play your anecdotal card.

we_hates: And if someone is accused of rape, regardless of the merits of the accusation, there is a fair chance they will go down.

This is actually not true. Most rapists can and will just claim that it was consentual sex, and if the victim waits for more than 1 day and all the physical evidence is gone then they've got virtually no chance of winning the case. I've seen it go both ways. I've seen a guy get his reputation ruined after pleading to a lesser charge when he was innocent, and I've seen a rapist walk free after claiming it was consensual.

mc frontalot: bbcrackmonkey, you still have answered the question

Obviously I don't think she deserves anything other than possibly a second chance to prove to me that she's still got that magical touch of hers after all these years.

sprgrss: Sex offenders in prison are isolated from the general population. And sex offenders do not kill because they are fearful of what happens when out of prison or in prison. They do it because they either do not want to go to prison, or it is sexually gratifying.

You have never seen the results of a police officer in gen pop, who also happens to be a child farker.

More wrath. Wrathy wrath wrath.

I am more amazed every day that a collection of people ever came together to promote the ideas behind what are supposedly our most cherished beliefs.

sprgrss: They do it because they either do not want to go to prison, or it is sexually gratifying.

I'm in total agreement with you on this statement, but sex offenders are not isolated from the general population, thus why you see people like John Geoghan getting his throat slit by another inmate.

Or Dahmer.

doccm9: You have never seen the results of a police officer in gen pop, who also happens to be a child farker.

Ohhhhhhh snaaaaaaaaaaaap! Police officers have it really really bad in prison, and so do child molesters, but a police officer and child molester? Man, I wouldn't ever wanna be that guy walking into the dining hall.

The worst comes when he gets released. He already has no teeth.
Karma is a farking biatch.

doccm9 - In modern prisons, sex offenders are placed in Vulnerable Prisoners Units.

I wouldn't be suprised if a little birdie tells the gen pop that a convicted child molester is heading their way. Can't say the convicts are righteous beings, but even they have some sense of morality left, and they know that molesting a child is not justifiable is any possible way.

sprgrss:
Sex offender registeries are bullshiat. What ever happened to do the crime, do the time? Not do the crime and have the crime follow you around everywhere you go so you can no longer have a life. Also, depending on the state, people can be registered as sex offenders for crimes like, sleeping with a 17 year old if you are eighteen, or allegedly kidnapping your own kids. There is a whole litany of reasons why sex offender registeries are bullshiat.

Getting drunk and peeing on a neighbours tree. Not to mention, not everyone who is found guilty is actually guilty. That's the main reason I don't support the death penalty.

Let's get one thing straight, cops and sex offenders are isolated from the general population in Vunerable Prisoners Units. They are not in the general population.

doccm9: The worst comes when he gets released. He already has no teeth.

I take it he has no teeth because the other inmates removed them in order to more easily facilitate him giving them blowjobs?

sprgrss: n modern prisons, sex offenders are placed in Vulnerable Prisoners Units.

You really beileve that?

sprgrss: Let's get one thing straight, cops and sex offenders are isolated from the general population in Vunerable Prisoners Units. They are not in the general population.

I suppose that depends on what prison you are in, and 'isolation' is a pretty relative term. John Geoghan and Jefferey Dahmer can attest to that.

bbcrackmonkey: Obviously I don't think she deserves anything other than possibly a second chance to prove to me that she's still got that magical touch of hers after all these years.

Then you are nothing more than a hypocrite.

I regret that I missed the tail end of this discussion due to the forum server acting bizarre all of a sudden.

My last thoughts though:

GhostFish: More wrath. Wrathy wrath wrath.

I am more amazed every day that a collection of people ever came together to promote the ideas behind what are supposedly our most cherished beliefs.

Amen. The only saving grace to this country is that people who were far more insightful and wise than the emotionally blinded folks in this thread were able to codify a system that, all things considered, does a pretty good job of keeping these fruitcakes (the pedophiles and the vigilante wonks) from destroying society as we know it.

And on a related note:

bbcrackmonkey: doccm9: You have never seen the results of a police officer in gen pop, who also happens to be a child farker.

Ohhhhhhh snaaaaaaaaaaaap! Police officers have it really really bad in prison, and so do child molesters, but a police officer and child molester? Man, I wouldn't ever wanna be that guy walking into the dining hall.

doccm9: The worst comes when he gets released. He already has no teeth.
Karma is a farking biatch.

Both of you should consider seeing a mental health professional. You obviously need some counseling and/or medication in order to help you realize how maladjusted it is to take pleasure at the discomfort of others.

doccm9 - what's there to believe? It's the farking truth. quit making shiat up. this entire exchange is making me believe that you are just full of shiat.

Any state that would willingly release these inmates into general population is looking for a lawsuit.

As horrible as pedophilia and rape are, these sex offender registries and public postings are crap. This is cruel and unusual punishment, where these people are punished forever and at risk of this sort of event because they're placed on the list. And people are placed on these lists for all sorts of BS reasons (remember the sheep farker story last month?). I know a couple of women who were of sound mind and consciously entered sexual relationships under the age of consent and didn't let their boyfriends know just how young they were, and if convicted those boyfriends could now be dead at the hands of vigilantes. Fear and revenge once again trump justice and American ideals. Until the laws make some modicum of sense and come even close to realistic justice, ALL of these sex offender lists should be opposed at every opportunity by every rational person.

It's a good thing that our justice system is perfect and no one is ever wrongly convicted because, you know, if that happened, this whole thread would be ridiculous. Unless, of course, you think it's so important for vigilantes to murder people on these lists that it's ok if a few of them really aren't guilty...

mc frontalot: bbcrackmonkey: Obviously I don't think she deserves anything other than possibly a second chance to prove to me that she's still got that magical touch of hers after all these years.

Then you are nothing more than a hypocrite.

Oh come on.! He's a romantic!

bbcrackmonkey: I've seen a guy get his reputation ruined after pleading to a lesser charge when he was innocent

Then how can you say that what I said is not true? You must surely agree with me that not everyone labelled a sex offender is actually a sex offender.

sprgrss

Do you honestly believe that even once placed in the Vulnerable Prisoners Units a child molester will be safe? Imagine a white offender who molests a black, latino, or an asian kid, do you honestly think that ethic gangs within the prison won't sit around and not bother administering their justice one way or another? Or the other way around, an non-white offender who molested a white kid, the aryan nation inmates would plaster the poor bastard given the first chance.

doccm9: You really beileve that?

It most likely depends on the prison, and the prisoners can easily find ways around this 'isolation'. I remember when John Geoghan got his throat slit by some Neo-Nazi gang member who had also been molested as a child, basically they distracted the guards after they opened his cell long enough for the inmate to kill him.

Guards are often complicit in this as well. A prison guard lives next door to me in my home town of Jackson, Michigan, and he has some very interesting stories to tell about 'prison justice'. He tells me that if a prisoner farks with him, all he has to do is give a pack of cigarrettes to the right people and arrange a meeting between the two in a place that doesn't have video surveillance.

we_hates: Then how can you say that what I said is not true? You must surely agree with me that not everyone labelled a sex offender is actually a sex offender.

I do agree.

Knara: doccm9: The worst comes when he gets released. He already has no teeth.
Karma is a farking biatch.

Both of you should consider seeing a mental health professional. You obviously need some counseling and/or medication in order to help you realize how maladjusted it is to take pleasure at the discomfort of others.

Never said I agreed with it. Street justice is a funny thing. I am just the fly on the wall in a few sketchy neighborhoods.

sprgrss: Any state that would willingly release these inmates into general population is looking for a lawsuit.

Ever heard of prison overcrowding and releasing "healed" mentally ill prisoners back into the genral populance to free up space?

anteater_pete - In Unlernable Prisoners Units, they have different procedures than with the general population. They aren't just throwing a white guy in a mass of blacks and vice versa. In the case of John Geoghan, the prison farked up and changed its policy.

Knara: Both of you should consider seeing a mental health professional. You obviously need some counseling and/or medication in order to help you realize how maladjusted it is to take pleasure at the discomfort of others.

It's called schadenfreude, and yes, I freely enjoy in seeing the discomfort of child molesters, and no, there's no law against that, so I suppose this is where I tell you to go piss up a rope, hippie.

sprgrss: the prison farked up and changed its policy.

That prison did. Why do you assume that the others have?

doccm9 - Please stay on track here. We aren't talking about mentally ill inmates being released into general population. We are talking about inmates who are basically in protective custody throughout their prison stay because they would be victimized. Please quit going on tangents.

doccm9 - It's called lawsuits and it is a known fact that sex offenders and cops are placed in a different population. One instance does not set the norm.

sprgrss: Please stay on track here. We aren't talking about mentally ill inmates being released into general population. We are talking about inmates who are basically in protective custody throughout their prison stay because they would be victimized. Please quit going on tangents.

I am. Protective custody lasts as long as the prison can afford to do it.

It may be possible to assume that the parents who molest and kills their own kids are the first ones to receive a warm welcome in prisons due to a "slight slip-up" by the guards.

sprgrss, do you work within the prison system? Corrections officer or bailiff or something?

Like I said, guards are often willing to facilitate violence between prisoners, I live next door to one and he has some pretty crazy stories to tell, one of them involving a guy who threw piss on him so he made the guy piss his pants on a certain occasion by not letting him go to the bathroom.

If these people were reformed (eh, it could happen), I feel bad for them. However, if they were going to torment some poor child again...

Anteater_Pete: It may be possible to assume that the parents who molest and kills their own kids are the first ones to receive a warm welcome in prisons due to a "slight slip-up" by the guards.

Ask Sprgrss, he is apparently a prison expert based on reports that he's read. He can surely help you.

Anteater_Pete - the Guards do not decide which cells the inmates go in.

bbcrackmonkey - No, I do not work in the prison system, but I have friends and family members who do.

bbcrackmonkey - The cells have their own bathrooms there is no way a guard could force a prisoner to piss himself.

bbcrackmonkey: Like I said, guards are often willing to facilitate violence between prisoners, I live next door to one and he has some pretty crazy stories to tell, one of them involving a guy who threw piss on him so he made the guy piss his pants on a certain occasion by not letting him go to the bathroom.

My best friend's father growing up was one too, before he got out to become an environmental conservation officer. His stories were just as bad, except they involved #2 and not #1.