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(WSMV)   Tennessee legislature considering making the consumption of a common hallucinogenic landscaping plant illegal. In other news, there is a common hallucinogenic landscaping plant   (wsmv.com) divider line 189
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2006-04-12 12:01:36 PM  
Hm.

Remember me to one who lived there.
Parsely, sage, rosemary and thyme.

I like the last quoted sentance in the article, to be honest.
 
2006-04-12 12:27:26 PM  
wow I have never been this high in a post
 
2006-04-12 12:28:13 PM  
Personal resonsibility surrenders.
 
2006-04-12 12:28:45 PM  
I don't know why that article reminds me of this:

"If carrots got you high, rabbits would be farked up!!" -Mitch Hedberg
 
2006-04-12 12:29:14 PM  
You can chew it and get high? I didn't know that.
 
2006-04-12 12:30:21 PM  
Before - Hardly anyone knew about this
Now - Everyone knows

Way to go TN legislature.
 
2006-04-12 12:30:24 PM  
"That's all we could get. You lock somebody up, you've got to pay for it," said Burchett, R-Knoxville. "Until some big shot's kid gets whacked out on it and runs their car through somebody's front door, you probably won't see anything (stricter)."

This guy rocks.
 
2006-04-12 12:30:50 PM  
"Until some big shot's kid gets whacked out on it and runs their car through somebody's front door, you probably won't see anything (stricter)."

Yeah lets blame the plant, it must be the evil mind of the plant plotting all of this, the kid is innocent!
 
2006-04-12 12:30:54 PM  
actually learned about this plant via old fark stories/threads. Last time it was Florida I believe. Some asshat kids hear they can get high off the plant and make a special tea with it. They do it wrong and the dose they take is lethal.

to add a similar thing to this you can get high off nutmeg also. But again in the wrong dose it can be lethal.
 
2006-04-12 12:31:03 PM  
Where the hell have you guys been? Salvia's been big for years...
 
2006-04-12 12:31:04 PM  
This stuff is insane. Not a party drug.
 
2006-04-12 12:31:19 PM  
I don't know and I don't want our kids to find out either

Well I want someone to find out before you go a banning!

This really pisses me off to no end.

Find out! Ask someone in the know. They have Universities in Tenessee, with researchers even. If one of them dos not know, I'm sure they know someone who does.
 
2006-04-12 12:31:43 PM  
I think Morning Glory can eff you up too, but they do
something to the commercial seeds that take away that
property.
 
2006-04-12 12:31:45 PM  
In other news, salvia sales are going through the roof in TN. If the kids didn't know about it already.....
 
2006-04-12 12:31:58 PM  
Delaware is talking about doing the same thing, the news story i saw reference a kid who had died, the story went on for a few minutes before they mentioned the kid had committed suicide.

that's right, he offed himself, but the parents want to blame the plant, newsflash, you had a deeply depressed kid who was trying to self medicate, if you didn't have him in some sort of professional help, then it is your fault.


/alcohol, pot, acid, and shrooms were always good enough for us when we were kids, we didn't have to go diggin' around the landscaping for anything else, damnit!
//git da hale off ma lawn!
 
2006-04-12 12:32:03 PM  
Salvia Divinorum isn't used for landscaping. And Maria Pastora isn't the street name, it's the name used by the Mazatec indians. Considering it's a legal product, it doesn't HAVE a street name. Everyone I know calls it Salvia.

Now that they're making it illegal I'm sure there will be a street name and an expanded market due to the newly created profit incentives. And of course no controls on age.

A simple law requiring ID before sale would have been much more effective. Now all you need to do is plant it in your front yard in full view of the police and sell the clippings when you manicure it.

Why is the government so stupid?
 
2006-04-12 12:32:32 PM  
Chewing it doesn't give as intense an effect as smoking it. It also makes it last longer (up to 45 minutes, as opposed to 10).

Strader, a Knoxville Republican, said he is uncertain about the specific effects of the plant.

"I don't know and I don't want our kids to find out either," he told the House Judiciary Committee on Tuesday. "The bottom line is it's not good for students."


Translation: Since I have a simplistic preconceived notion that hallucination = bad, I will now proceed to abuse my position of political power to push my willful ignorance on the rest of the population.
 
2006-04-12 12:32:36 PM  
Its all fun and games until some german kid cuts his wang and tongue off with some garden shears.

der trumpet flowers made lil gunther see bugs!
 
2006-04-12 12:33:20 PM  
From TFA:

"I've never done that stuff. I've taken my fair share of the spirits, but I've never got into that other part of life," said Rep. Frank Buck, D-Dowellton, referring to illicit drug use.

Why yes, Mr. Representative, yes you have, if you've 'taken (your) fair share of the spirits'.

Drug use is drug use, your arbitrary 'licit' or 'illicit' classifications notwithstanding.
 
2006-04-12 12:34:05 PM  
"Strader, a Knoxville Republican, said he is uncertain about the specific effects of the plant.

"I don't know and I don't want our kids to find out either," he told the House Judiciary Committee on Tuesday. "The bottom line is it's not good for students."

That pretty much sums up most of our drug policy.

"I don't know why it's bad, it just IS! Why do you hate children?"
 
2006-04-12 12:34:22 PM  
Ah, Salvia, I knew the uptight assholes would get around to banning that eventually.

Smoked Salvia 20x extract once....laughed like a deranged lunatic for about 20 minutes.
 
2006-04-12 12:34:31 PM  
Ha! Ha! SALVIA DOES NOTHING!

/for me, anyway.... :(
 
2006-04-12 12:34:52 PM  
From TFA:
"It doesn't have a lot of teeth in it as a misdemeanor, but at least it lets the students know that they're not supposed to have it," Strader said.

Sounds like the best way to head off a consumption problem....
 
2006-04-12 12:34:54 PM  
From what I've seen you need 10x-30x extract for it to be effective anyway. Not many people will go to the trouble of making that with weed readily available. Though you can order it off the internet...

/saw a friend fall over and drop the bong during his second hit of a mixture of weed and salvia leaves dusted with extract
 
2006-04-12 12:35:07 PM  
I'm still waiting for the nutmeg ban. Oh sure you risk some physical side effects, but you get a three-day trip.


/not at all serious, but why not? Let's criminalize everything.
 
2006-04-12 12:35:13 PM  
Let's hear it for WSMV!

/and common hallucinogenic landscaping plants
 
2006-04-12 12:35:48 PM  
I knew a guy who bought some of this stuff on a larf, then smoked a big bowl while he was driving.


The next thing he remembers is lying in the ditch with his car door open.


He wasn't very bright.


/banning that stuff is fine by me
 
2006-04-12 12:37:32 PM  
Salvia? I don't know about the rest of you (or if the effects are different chewed vs. smoked) but for me one time was enough. Even though it lasted only 15 minutes it was the craziest trip I've ever come back from, certainly not worth going back to.

On a side note - how is it that the dude backing the bill doesn't even know what the plant does, anyway?
 
2006-04-12 12:38:47 PM  
I knew a guy who bought some of this stuff on a larf, then smoked a big bowl while he was driving.
The next thing he remembers is lying in the ditch with his car door open.

He wasn't very bright.

/banning that stuff is fine by me


Can ban stupid? because that causes more deaths than drugs...
 
2006-04-12 12:38:48 PM  
Salvia was very good at inducing vomitting in my case, not worth the hype.
 
2006-04-12 12:39:28 PM  
MWeather: Salvia Divinorum isn't used for landscaping.

THANK YOU!

S. Divinorum is notoriously difficult to grow, especially from seeds. You pretty much have to clone it off of one of the Mexican plants. Note also that Tennessee has a fairly different climate from Mexico.

They also know knothing about this plant. Anyone who's tried it can tell you that it is not recreational. Hell, it's barely pleasant (though some would disagree). If anything (and I usually hate this term), it's shamanic. If you break through on this nasty-tasting stuff, you'll pretty much lose contact with who you are and where you are (in both space and time) for the next 15-20 minutes.

Read for yourself. (SFW, pops)
 
2006-04-12 12:40:53 PM  
Yeah, just insert the word "we" where appropriate in my last screwed up post... derrrr
 
2006-04-12 12:41:13 PM  
Apparently the fact that the plant is named Salvia divinorum didn't clue anyone in.
 
2006-04-12 12:41:22 PM  
Dunkin' Donuts

actually learned about this plant via old fark stories/threads. Last time it was Florida I believe. Some asshat kids hear they can get high off the plant and make a special tea with it. They do it wrong and the dose they take is lethal.


I think they're called Angel's Trumpets and they are poison. Straight up poison. Just like cutting off oxygen to the brain can get you off (Gas huffers, I'm looking at you) I guess mild doses of poison can do the same.

WHACK.
 
2006-04-12 12:41:29 PM  
"It doesn't have a lot of teeth in it as a misdemeanor, but at least it lets the students know that they're not supposed to have it," Strader said.

Ha ha ha!! Classic!!! There's no surer way to make something obscure suddenly seem interesting and intriguing to kids than calling attention to it by putting a big FORBIDDEN sign in front of it.
 
2006-04-12 12:41:43 PM  
My feelings:

An associate recently got involved with Salvia D. in my area. Not sure what the fellow's issues were prior to use, but he's now classified as Paranoid Schizophrenic. Now, I don't wanna go blaming what might be the most powerful mindbending hallucinogen know to man... or the fact that he smoked great mondo bowls of it daily... well, yeah I *do* want to blame that... if you disrespect this plant it will burn you. Salvia should be treated with respect. The mexican shaman fellows that use it react with HORROR at the prospect that American's are smoking it! they say:

"Would you burn your own children?"

That's how they feel about it. Used responsibly Salvia *could* be a good spiritual tool. Smoke fat bags of it daily and you'll go bonkers.

When the Buddha said "moderation in all things" he wasn't kidding... why won't you listen to the Buddha?
 
2006-04-12 12:41:47 PM  
I say we make it illegal for TN legislature to drink alcohol.
 
2006-04-12 12:42:40 PM  
I mean, it's not like datura, right? That stuff will take you on a week-long mindfark and then send you to the lunatic asylum.

As far as the law, it is inconceivable to me that a government is banning people's hallucinations.
 
2006-04-12 12:43:40 PM  
A place called "...of the jungle" Has a huge catalog of legal plants with "interesting" properties, including ayahuasca. Of course they import the seeds and cuttings merely for the cultivation and preservation of important rainforest and exotic species; you should never, ever consume them.

Catalog here (no pop)
 
2006-04-12 12:44:31 PM  
Dunkin' Donuts: actually learned about this plant via old fark stories/threads. Last time it was Florida I believe. Some asshat kids hear they can get high off the plant and make a special tea with it. They do it wrong and the dose they take is lethal.


Bullshiat. The LD50 for Salvinorin A is ridiculously high (340 mg/kg). You're thinking about another plant.
 
2006-04-12 12:44:54 PM  
salvia divinorum = not a good enough drug for the govt to be worried about. they should be frettin' about the ghetto scientists out here who have rocked smokable heroin and crack together. at last.
 
2006-04-12 12:45:04 PM  
40oz_A_Knight: Not many people will go to the trouble of making that with weed readily available. Though you can order it off the internet...

Salvia is not--I repeat--is not legal weed. They are nothing alike, and I hate when you see ads online (or in headshops) that implies it is.

The stuff's already illegal in New York and Louisiana. I'm sure it's just a matter of time until it's illegal everywhere...for no good reason.
 
2006-04-12 12:46:57 PM  
Maria Salvia? Just assumed they were talking about Angel's Trumpets
 
2006-04-12 12:47:14 PM  
Salvia....a landscaping plant? hahahahaha

It only grows in selective climates, like parts of south America
 
2006-04-12 12:47:15 PM  
this is DEADLY:

www.dof.virginia.gov

ban it!
 
2006-04-12 12:47:54 PM  
buildingseven

really? i hope that isn't true... do you have a link?
 
2006-04-12 12:49:45 PM  
www.birdmom.net

Jimsonweed is apparently illegal in Oklahoma.

Nasty stuff some plants are.
 
2006-04-12 12:51:50 PM  
Salvia isn't even fun. It's just total reality replacement.
 
2006-04-12 12:53:40 PM  
From http://www.salvia-divinorum.com/:

"Be careful about granting interviews. The press and media in general is often more interested in sensationalizing than in balanced factual reporting."
 
2006-04-12 12:54:29 PM  
Vaults of Erowid: SD (bad trips/trainwrecks) nuff said.

Want something like it? Stick to ethanol (wake up with a plumper covered in sores, stinkin' of your own shiat and can't remember how you got there?) it's OTC and 80 proof.

/Darwin is indifferent to silly legislative efforts
 
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