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2006-04-10 09:05:58 PM
The cops are fine if you have a small personal stash, (<40g i think) but are oppressive with the jaywalking and parking
tickets.
 
2006-04-10 09:08:23 PM
Enigmamf: I'm guessing the 'laudable exception' is Lowell, where my roomate went. He's insanely smart.

Hey Enigmamf, your roommate's even smart enough to haxor your Fark account.
 
2006-04-10 09:09:39 PM
OriginalGamer That's AWESOME! You honor me by photoshopping that pic I took of Seattle.

/gonna send it to all my nerdy friends.
 
2006-04-10 09:19:41 PM
Smartest city in the US? Probably somewhere in the Keys, or perhaps Hawaii.

Top 100 Best Educated Cities (Highest Percentage of Bachelor Degree Holding Residents) (pop. 5000+)
Stanford, California (94.6%)
Winnetka, Illinois (84.4%)
University Park, Texas (80.5%)


From city-data.com. Keys and Hawaii don't even crack the top 100.
 
2006-04-10 09:36:04 PM
Gosling

I was using slightly different metrics...
 
2006-04-10 09:40:59 PM
Please NO MORE PEOPLE !!!!!!

Most of the bad drivers are from somewhere else....


Casino road ???
 
2006-04-10 09:41:41 PM
I loved growing up in Seattle but I like living in the endless summer of LA now. I can still watch my Hawks on satellite, drink my Redhook and smoke my Whatcom Wowie down here.
 
2006-04-10 09:55:04 PM
Gosling, I lived on the Kitsap (Bremerton) side for 5 years and commuted into the city for the last two. I was just north of Gig Harbor, which is a great little town.

If you're making a choice about living in Puget Sound, you've got your smug Seattle dwellers (hipper-than-thou, yet constantly swilling faintly coffee-flavored milk from adult sippy cups) on one side , and pasty, clannish Kitsapians on the other.

I honestly liked Seattle and still visit a couple of times a year, but don't recommend living on the Kitsap side. It's a lot cheaper, but not worth it.
 
2006-04-10 09:56:25 PM
MaxxRenn

... drink my Redhook and ...

Dude! I work for Redhook! (In fact I should get back to work right now). Keep up the drinkin'!

As for the "not building new highways" thing: why is it that I hit construction every road I turn down? It's pissing me off. But seriously, the quality of the roads around here SUCK.
 
2006-04-10 10:01:48 PM
As far as Seattle is concerned, they do have both Microsoft and Amazon, who are hiring tons of people these days. Graduating from university of waterloo this year, and seems like all my friends are moving to seattle (5 to amazon, 1 to MS). And yes, from what I could tell the drivers suck, but the city on a whole seems pretty nice, and Vancouver is nearby, which is cool.

/san francisco bound myself
 
2006-04-10 10:07:12 PM
Gig Harbor's out of my price range.
 
2006-04-10 10:24:34 PM
Gosling
If you plan on working on the Seattle side of the Sound, I'd stay away from the Kitsap side for residence. Unless you really feel like spending an asston of money and time on your daily commute via the Bremerton Ferry.
Tenino isn't much of a good choice if you want to be 30 minutes outside of anyplace good. It's halfway between Seattle and Portland, so you'd be smack in the middle of nothing. Nice for hiking, crap for living there.
Seattle itself is pretty expensive if you're looking for posh digs, or anything above 'student ghetto' quality around the downtown or Capitol Hill area.
My gf and I moved to Redmond from Capitol Hill last year, and it's a pretty nice area if you can deal with living in the 'burbs. Rent isn't too steep (just over $1/sq.ft.) in apartment complexes with decent amenities, and it's not a bad drive to get downtown (barring bad traffic on the 520.) Redmond, Bellevue, and Kirkland would be good places to check out.
 
2006-04-10 10:29:15 PM
Currently I'm 40 miles out of Madison and Milwaukee, Takes around an hour for me to get from A to whichever one B is. I'd be looking around that kind of proximity or closer. Price-wise, Watertown's about $110,000 as a median housing price, and I think this house is a tad below that median, so that's the price range I'd be working under.

And realize that anything that'd be happening is still at least a few years off. Currently mom and dad own the house, and before I do anything they'd have to make the call to head down to Florida, which, again, few years off at least.
 
2006-04-10 10:32:16 PM
For you Seattle farkers, how is Bainbridge Island? I was considering moving there.
 
2006-04-10 10:39:50 PM
NightWulf
Bainbridge Island is nice, but it gets touristy crowded being that there's a few public parks with picnic beaches. The main problem that I'd see with it is there's no easy drive off the island to Seattle. It's the ferry or one hell of a long haul around the south end of the Sound, and they just jacked up the ferry prices again this year.
 
2006-04-10 10:50:41 PM
Gosling: $110,000

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but $110,000 might get you a nice manufactured home somewhere (sans land). I live a tiny bit outside of downtown Olympia and I think zillow.com just put our estimate at about $195,000 with 34% of houses in the area costing less.
 
2006-04-10 11:01:54 PM
Which, again, is why I named the cities I did upthread. First thing I looked at was median price of a house:

Bremerton... you know what, I've heard enough about Bremerton. Outskies.
Tenino median is $97,900.
Woodburn, OR median is $114,800.
Cascade Locks, OR median is $100,200.
 
2006-04-10 11:04:22 PM
These educated idiots will need therapy in above average numbers; they will purchase anti-depressants in above average numbers; they will pay for nannies, private and public schools, and use money to earn love from their children in record numbers... my point being, wait until that next generation grows up. They'll be enormous consumers of alcohol and all kinds of illicit drugs and activities, bringing in the criminal classes... just wait.
 
2006-04-10 11:07:51 PM
Gosling: Which, again, is why I named the cities I did upthread. First thing I looked at was median price of a house:

I wasn't trying to be rude and sorry if it came across that way. I applaud you for being aware before you get here and not having to endure that jaw-dropping moment of sticker shock. I still can't get over the fact that BFE Yelm house prices are into the 200,000s these days.
 
2006-04-10 11:08:19 PM
This is true. I have met many smart people from Seattle. Not tooo many idiots. Maybe it's the water?
 
2006-04-10 11:17:18 PM
OriginalGamer

Oh, so you've read the reports about Mt Rainer too, eh?

Yes people, that's right. We're the serial killer capitol of the world, AND we have a volcano that makes Mt St Helens look like a sissy raring to go in our backyards. So stay away.

/hates tourists
 
2006-04-10 11:20:45 PM
I dare say I've lived in all parts of the country (Nashville, TN; St. Louis, MO; Lansing/Detroit, MI: Boston, MA; Jackson, MS; Fort Myers, FL; and here) and I currently live in SE Everett (whomever was making the Casino Road jokes, that's near where I'm at...GHETTOOO!!!)

Anyway, it's really freaking nice here when you're talking about:

- The weather (mildness, not precipitation, though the summers are actually dry)
- Coffee (yes, we have some very good coffee joints that aren't *$s)
- Scenery (mountains and water, can't beat that)
- Food (fish, berries, hazelnuts, lots of organic food places, Mario Batali's from here, etc)
- No state income tax
- Diversity of people (ethnically, sexually, etc.)

Now, for the cons:

- People are very nice but very standoffish. No one wants you in their clique.
- House prices
- Cost of living
- Diversity of people (see above) - I say this because it adds a level of standoffishness and closed attitude to a lot of people. Coming from the Midwest, where everyone's the same for the most part (if you're white), this was hard for me to understand.
- Complete and utter lack of planning in the transportation sector
- Traffic
- Idiots on the road (people drive better in the rain than in full sun)

That said, move to Portland. I've visited many time and have friends who've moved here from there, and I hear nothing but positive things about it. If you're used to Seattle, supposedly Portland is more small-town, less cliquey, with great public transportation.
 
2006-04-10 11:23:15 PM
fark you guys. It's espresso. There's no farking "x" in espresso. The drivers up here drive like farking morons because we've had a huge influx of Californians who drive like dipshiats and fark up the traffic flow, as well as a huge influx of Asians. Don't deny the fact that sometimes its hard for them to see. My best friend is Korean, he says the same thing. As for Portland being better- any goddamn state where it's illegal to pump your own farking gas is a dump in my book. fark Portland. You're a poor man's Washington, and you'll never, ever be California. Yes, it rains every single day here, so don't bother moving here. If you have moved here, go the fark home. We don't need you here, and many of us don't want you here.

/endrant
 
2006-04-10 11:34:25 PM
misspudding

Now, for the cons:

- People are very nice but very standoffish. No one wants you in their clique.
- House prices
- Cost of living
- Diversity of people (see above) - I say this because it adds a level of standoffishness and closed attitude to a lot of people. Coming from the Midwest, where everyone's the same for the most part (if you're white), this was hard for me to understand.
- Complete and utter lack of planning in the transportation sector
- Traffic
- Idiots on the road (people drive better in the rain than in full sun)

That said, move to Portland. I've visited many time and have friends who've moved here from there, and I hear nothing but positive things about it. If you're used to Seattle, supposedly Portland is more small-town, less cliquey, with great public transportation.


2006-04-10 11:23:15 PM draelyn

fark you guys. It's espresso. There's no farking "x" in espresso. The drivers up here drive like farking morons because we've had a huge influx of Californians who drive like dipshiats and fark up the traffic flow, as well as a huge influx of Asians. Don't deny the fact that sometimes its hard for them to see. My best friend is Korean, he says the same thing. As for Portland being better- any goddamn state where it's illegal to pump your own farking gas is a dump in my book. fark Portland. You're a poor man's Washington, and you'll never, ever be California. Yes, it rains every single day here, so don't bother moving here. If you have moved here, go the fark home. We don't need you here, and many of us don't want you here.

/endrant


Wow puddin,' looks like you nailed it.
 
2006-04-10 11:38:18 PM
usuarios.lycos.es
 
2006-04-10 11:40:11 PM
"Redmond, Bellevue, and Kirkland would be good places to check out."

The collective area described above has the highest average home price on the west coast, outside of San Francisco.

Or did a few years ago.
 
2006-04-10 11:42:50 PM

2006-04-10 07:52:20 PM Gosling


We have serial killers roaming around, lousy traffic, miserable rain ALL THE TIME, unaffordable real-estate and you need to have at least a bachelors just to have the honor to make coffee for us all. If you move here you will end up homeless.

/Go to Tacoma

As I was saying. My prelim sweep turned up Bremerton and Tenino. Any word on them?




Check out areas like Issaquah, North Bend, or Duvall. They are nice 'growing' Seattle suburbs that haven't blown up as much as Bellevue/Redmond/Kirkland has, so you can still find some nice places without loosing your left nut in the process. I'd stay away from Everett, which is a bit slummy. There's a big Navy base there, which has led to a higher crime rate. Lots of bling. Same goes for Tacoma, which stinks like a sack full of a55holes (thus the saying the "aroma of Tacoma"). Bremerton is ok, but you will have to take a ferry to get to work everyday (if you work in Seattle).

It's a nice area, but you will tend to notice that the sports teams always get shafted by funny officiating.
 
2006-04-10 11:44:20 PM
Yeah, I hate Seattle

Golden Gardens, two weeks ago

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2006-04-10 11:53:04 PM
BGates: Seattle sucks. Portland is much better.

True dat. Portland is more homey, friendly, real artsy-craftsy, not the snobby art scene like Seattle. If I could get a job there I'd totally move there!
 
2006-04-10 11:56:10 PM
misspudding: Now, for the cons:

- People are very nice but very standoffish. No one wants you in their clique.




Even Seattle Farkers. Sad, but true.
 
2006-04-11 12:07:58 AM
I live in Rural Kitsap county and commute into down town Seattle every day. I work about 100 yards from the Space Neadle near the uglyest building on the earth, EMP. The commute is the best part of my day. I ride motorcycle to the ferry (rain or shine, occasionally snow)get on with my commuter ticket ($3.80 each way) I'm first on and first off, never miss a boat because it's full. My group that I commute with is mostly college proffs and professionals, yeah we are kind of smart. I live on 20 acres with a salmon strean running through it we bought in 89 for 160 k. My daughter has a horse and I get to see her grow up living a pretty idylic life. (oh yeah she's smart too 15 in 9th grade with 15 credits of college allready)

It sucks here STF away
 
2006-04-11 12:14:04 AM
My official stance on living in the Seattle area (10 years, plus another 6 on the east side of the state as a kid) and this kinda applies anywhere I've lived: if you can get past the people, it's a damn pretty place to live. And if you ever get the chance to hike to the top of Mt St Helens, it's worth it. Fark Mt. Rainier, it's overrated.

Bremerton sucks. Almost as much as Duke.
 
2006-04-11 12:14:30 AM
mercatfat: The only trouble I've ever had with the drivers in Seattle are the ones who refuse to slow the fark down.

Are you kidding?? They're already practially stopped b/c they see a cloud on the horizon or a car a mile up the highway in their lane! Take Metro! Leave the roads to people who are actually driving somewhere.
 
2006-04-11 12:14:34 AM
Since it seems nearly everyone on here is a Seattleite:

WHAT THE FCK IS WRONG WITH METRO???

It's not like this damn march was spontaneous. It's been planned for days now. Why the hell could they not REROUTE some of their freakin' downtown bus service?? As much as I like waiting an hour for my damn ride home, I could probably handled moving to 5th to catch the 358.
 
2006-04-11 12:18:34 AM
I live gew up in Las Vegas. If some of our pols came up here they'd get elected king. The caliber of local politics is awfull. I like Nickles, but We got this guy Tim Eyeman...

It sucks here STF away
 
2006-04-11 12:26:32 AM
"Never build new highways"? Submitter might want to pull his head out of his ass long enough to realize that there's states like Rhode Island that have absolutely HORRIBLE highways. The worst we've got right now is the Alaskan Way Viaduct, and that's slated to get replaced shortly by a bigassed tunnel.


and i only paid $2.70 for my coffee today.
 
2006-04-11 12:26:36 AM
rbuzby
The collective area described above has the highest average home price on the west coast, outside of San Francisco.

Or did a few years ago.




They probably still do. It wasn't until I re-read things that I realized Gosling is looking to buy, not rent. The rent here in Redmond isn't bad when compared to an equivalent square footage and amenities in a building closer to downtown. We've got 1150 sq.ft. in an Avalon managed property, and it's just over a buck a square foot, monthly. Not too bad for the area, and decent location since my gf and I both work on the east side (it's nice not having to deal with the bridges.)
 
2006-04-11 12:33:52 AM
>>>
Sarcastrow:I live in Rural Kitsap county and commute into down town Seattle every day. I work about 100 yards from the Space Neadle near the uglyest building on the earth, EMP. The commute is the best part of my day. I ride motorcycle to the ferry (rain or shine, occasionally snow)get on with my commuter ticket ($3.80 each way) I'm first on and first off, never miss a boat because it's full. My group that I commute with is mostly college proffs and professionals, yeah we are kind of smart. I live on 20 acres with a salmon strean running through it we bought in 89 for 160 k. My daughter has a horse and I get to see her grow up living a pretty idylic life. (oh yeah she's smart too 15 in 9th grade with 15 credits of college allready)

>>>

The EMP (Experience Music Project) is the damn ugliest homage to Jimi Hendrix by some guy with a ton of money (Paul Allen) I have ever seen. Never name your kids Paul and raise them as hippies.

I commuted for six years on the WSF system, and yeah, the commute was kinda the best part of my day, assuming I didn't drive on the boat and my work was a busline away. $3.80 (or that proverbial $5 cup o joe) adds up to $7.60 a day just to get to work. WALKING. The WSF fare doesn't include your bus fare to the ferry, and to your work. The "ship-to-shore" pass even costs more than that.

You can commute with people with 200 IQs, it don't matter, you're still paying out the ass just to get to work so you can go get that five dollar cup of coffee.

$3.80 (just the ferry fare AND by the way it $6.10 now unless you haven't rode the boat in a few years) x 2 x 20 (5 day work week)=$152
$1 x 2 x 20 (Kitsap Transit Fare)=$40 just to ride a bus
King County bus fares vary for cross sound.

In other words lady you pay about 10 bucks an hour just going to and from work. Hope your job pays for that and all the taxes.

20 acres with salmon streams on Kitsap? Yeah lotsa people do there. Also with a 100' buffer zones that keeps you and everything possible away from that stream. AND you pay taxes on it. It really isn't that idyllic and I don't give a shiat if your kid is smart or not. If she's THAT smart she'll get the hell off the peninsula when she grows up. Your refrigerator can fall on her someday. Pass another law. It's for the chidren.


Idyllic peninsula life working next to the Space Needle my ass. Unless you're married to Paul Allen or changing the lightbulbs on top of the Space Needle, Fark off.
 
2006-04-11 12:36:37 AM
seattle is great and all but bellevue is where it's at. steer clear of kirkland, folks that's where the farktards live.
 
2006-04-11 12:39:36 AM
Another former Detroit-area resident here to complain about Washington state drivers. MOVE IT!!! I don't care about the traffic - try commuting from Novi to Dearborn in the morning or even worse, commuting back after 4 PM. I live in Seattle now and love it, but these folks need to move with a sense of purpose!!!
 
2006-04-11 12:53:29 AM
Hey Fark It:

You can suck it.

Have a nice day.
 
2006-04-11 12:56:34 AM
Enough of my complaints about Seattle. I move to #4 on the list: Raleigh, NC.

Yeah. That's a different world. One more conducive with my plans to take over the solar system (you Earthlings need to think out of the circle).

Difference I see here and I cannot without a doubt say that drivers are idiots. Maybe its the surplus of public transpo has left them without the means how to work a vehicle, but hey they sure as shiat can text message while driving!.

Raleigh drivers vs Seattle? Faster. Much faster. More adept. But there is a massive lack of using turn signals and not gunning yellow lights, but completely ignoring red ones.
 
2006-04-11 12:57:20 AM
Good-
Greenlake, my home sweet home. you can find one bedroom apts for 700.

traffic-sucks. I drove 71,000 miles on seattle roadways as a courier. I about threw a tire iron through an idoits windshield today.

Weaver95-you don't need any permit to have a gun IN THE OPEN in a car. Concealed permit is only denied to felons and mental patients. I was glad I didn't have a gun in the car today.

Rain- It can suck at times. But it mostly mists all day. NYC gets way more rain and snow. The wettest I've been in the last 10 years was in brooklyn in september. get your mind out of the gutter, perv. I'm all man.

Views are awesome. nice underground nightlife of any type you want. even country line dancing.

Stay away from bremerton, everett, gold bar, monroe, tacoma. You don't want to live there without a reason. Commuting is not a reason. save 100 on gas every month and live closer to your work.

If you live on cap hill, please don't go emo.

Oh, the most potent cannibas on the planet is grown in this area. All those wsu ag grads turn into growers eventually.

Then again, you might just stay in the midwest. it's nice there too.

/I just threw up a little in my mouth.
 
2006-04-11 01:19:50 AM
fanbladesaresharp: Never name your kids Paul and raise them as hippies.



That just might be one of the funniest things on the internets.
 
2006-04-11 01:33:30 AM
fanbladesaresharp

The EMP (Experience Music Project) is the damn ugliest homage to Jimi Hendrix by some guy with a ton of money (Paul Allen) I have ever seen. Never name your kids Paul and raise them as hippies.

...Paul is actually a nice guy, billions will twist your brain a bit but you try it...

I commuted for six years on the WSF system, and yeah, the commute was kinda the best part of my day, assuming I didn't drive on the boat and my work was a busline away. $3.80 (or that proverbial $5 cup o joe) adds up to $7.60 a day just to get to work. WALKING. The WSF fare doesn't include your bus fare to the ferry, and to your work. The "ship-to-shore" pass even costs more than that.

..I ride a bike. the 7.60 is way less than a lot of people pay when you count in the cost of the vehicle they drive and the gas. I buy a bike for about 2k every 4 or five years and ride the wheels off,then buy another...


You can commute with people with 200 IQs, it don't matter, you're still paying out the ass just to get to work so you can go get that five dollar cup of coffee.

.. a few other people have covered the coffee thing, I drink the free stuff at work (yes, it's Starbucks) but five creams and five sugars and it's not so bad...

$3.80 (just the ferry fare AND by the way it $6.10 now unless you haven't rode the boat in a few years) x 2 x 20 (5 day work week)=$152
$1 x 2 x 20 (Kitsap Transit Fare)=$40 just to ride a bus
King County bus fares vary for cross sound.

In other words lady you pay about 10 bucks an hour just going to and from work. Hope your job pays for that and all the taxes.

..It does..

20 acres with salmon streams on Kitsap? Yeah lotsa people do there. Also with a 100' buffer zones that keeps you and everything possible away from that stream. AND you pay taxes on it. It really isn't that idyllic and I don't give a shiat if your kid is smart or not. If she's THAT smart she'll get the hell off the peninsula when she grows up. Your refrigerator can fall on her someday. Pass another law. It's for the chidren.

..Not quite accurate. I have a horse that has access to the stream to drink. We are involved in the CREP program with the federal government. I plant the native forest next to the stream, they pay me rent and re-emburse me for the trees. pays about 70% of the property taxes. The rent from our spare house pays the small amount of mortgage we have, and the rent from the 2.5 acre pasture we rent out for horses pays the rest...

.. My Nieces who moved to LA have made us swear on our lives never to sell this place, and my daughter is exactly the same way. The local school district has a plan called "running start" where in a gifted child like mine can do their first 2 years of college while they do the last 2 of High School and get credit for both...


Idyllic peninsula life working next to the Space Needle my ass. Unless you're married to Paul Allen or changing the lightbulbs on top of the Space Needle, Fark off.

..must suck to be that disalusioned with the positive potetial that life has to offer..

It sucks here STF away
 
2006-04-11 01:38:41 AM
Seriously, Seattle is full. No need to move here. Move along, nothing to see here.
 
2006-04-11 01:47:53 AM
is the Tacoma Aroma still present?

/the whole city smells like an armpit
 
2006-04-11 02:38:59 AM
frasier sucks.
 
2006-04-11 03:12:58 AM
you all can come to Seattle if you, but I'm leaving. I'm moving up to Camano Island at the end of the year to get away from this place. In the last 15 years this place has just gone to shiat. It was cheaper to buy land (waterfront) and build a new house up on Camano then to buy a new house in Seattle.
 
2006-04-11 03:44:59 AM
Soon the flying whale will have its way with this city. Then we will see which of your great American cities is full of the smarties.

Clue: The answer is NONE OF THEM, ALL WILL BE DESTROYED BY THE FLYING WHALE.
 
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