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(CNN)   Pictures show stripper was already injured before she got to Duke's lacrosse team's party. Duke sucks   (sportsillustrated.cnn.com) divider line 208
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2006-04-10 04:47:14 PM  
True Crosscheck, but I didn't figure anyone would recognize the name of any all-american lacrosse player, black or white. So I went with the most familiar example.
 
2006-04-10 04:53:47 PM  
Ruffian
Good point, but that doesn't change the fact that white strippers loved him.

FTR, I didn't know the stripper wasn't white when I posted my Weeners. When I first heard the story, I thought some skanky coked-up stripper didn't get paid for her services, now she's yelling rape. But, now, I have to wonder. I don't think black girls will yell rape because they "can" like white girls do. I think a black girl will be more likely to cut you if you mess with her money, but then again, I could be wrong (since I usually am).
 
2006-04-10 05:11:05 PM  
Meh, I'm not going to let the media play me on this one. There's nothing that gets them more viewers than sensationalistic "he said, she said" bullshiat from day to day.

Besides, I am too busy paying attention to Fox so that I don't miss the latest development from Aruba.
 
2006-04-10 05:15:15 PM  
Theres a huge difference between injuries on the outside and injuries on the inside.


Hint: The latter doesn't come from falling down.......
 
2006-04-10 05:15:33 PM  
2006-04-10 02:56:25 PM kasu327

You too? Hey - this weekend we're having a money counting party at my house. We'll be having barbecued orphans and drinking crude with Southern Comfort afterwards.

I wanna skin the 'entertainment' before she can perform, after all, it's not like anyone will miss her, and then me and the Sherriff and the boys will all go spotlighting for critters.

You in?
 
2006-04-10 05:19:21 PM  
Besides, defense attorneys for wealthy brats seem unable to comprehend ethics or morality when paid enough.
 
2006-04-10 05:19:23 PM  
the DNA has come in they just have not released it, lets see how long it takes for the Defense Att to get it
 
2006-04-10 05:20:00 PM  
Regardless of the situation, rape victims are always painted as manipulitive women who are making shiat up. In this case, the woman has absolutely nothing to gain by making this story up. I have no doubt that this is all about privilaged guys who have gotten everything they wanted their whole lives and decided they could mistreat this woman and get away with it. The sad thing is, they probably will get away with it because they have the resources to twist this case any way they want.

As with many cases like this, vigilante justice is just about the only solution. I hope this poor woman has some good friends/family who do what's appropriate.
 
2006-04-10 05:25:07 PM  
The truth is that if any part of her story turns out to be a lie, that case is D.O.A.

If they can find a single guy who has paid her for sex, her case is in serious trouble.

My Bold Prediction???

1. Most or all of the criminal charges or dropped.

2. A civil case is initiated and Duke pays out the ass not becasue evidence is against them, but because of the publicity.
 
2006-04-10 05:31:17 PM  
luckybastard

I'd be talking and talking and talking to anyone who would listen to me until they wouldn't let me talk anymore....
I don't think I'd lawyer-up like these guys did.


If you were potentially going to be charged with a felony, GETTING A LAWYER SHOULD BE YOUR FIRST MOVE BEFORE FLAPPING YOUR GUMS TO ANYONE! Especially the police.

We're talking aboubt felony sexual assault here, which is one of the worst crimes to be charged with, let alone convicted of.
 
2006-04-10 05:34:57 PM  
The second dancer, who met the victim for the first time that night at 610 North Buchanan, also was on another 911 call that night. Her voice is barely audible in the background of the call, in which she tells the security guard her name is Kim and possibly more.

Isn't that the way strippers always work? "For another $20 we can go to the back. For another $100 I'll give you a handjob. For another $500 I'll tell you my last name."
 
2006-04-10 05:35:24 PM  
As with many cases like this, vigilante justice is just about the only solution. I hope this poor woman has some good friends/family who do what's appropriate.
www.liu.edu
 
2006-04-10 05:41:46 PM  

Since none of us know what happened, we have no reason to talk about it. Geek rage is apparent.


www.transfan-asylum.org

Innocent.
 
2006-04-10 05:42:12 PM  
Is it bad for me to think that if you're in that line of work, you waive any right to complain about ANY bad treatment you might receive?
 
2006-04-10 05:48:52 PM  
Just heard on WLS radio breaking news that the DNA tests are back and none of the lacrosse players match.
 
2006-04-10 05:48:57 PM  
Stripper/prosti black/white whatever. filthy biznatches like these get raped all the time. Whether or not they were this time, they had a chance to make some noise and they took it.
 
2006-04-10 05:54:09 PM  
Stripper/prosti black/white whatever. filthy biznatches like these get raped have sex with random guys for money all the time

Better.
 
2006-04-10 06:02:14 PM  
doodler,

how the heck long does a DNA test take?

A few weeks.
 
2006-04-10 06:03:31 PM  
AS YOU CAN SEE THE PICTURES HAVE TIME CODES--AND THOSE ARE VERY HARD TO FAKE

CAN YOU EXPLAIN FOR THE JUDGE AND JURY THE MEANING OF "TIME CODES"?

JUST BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE--DOESN'T MEAN I'M LYING
 
2006-04-10 06:04:28 PM  
i just heard the dna results are in and show negative for all tested. no matches.
 
2006-04-10 06:06:14 PM  
Duke sucks, but innocently.
 
2006-04-10 06:06:30 PM  
From stories released in the last hour--- DNA results have come back, and according to the defense attorneys none of the players match:

Attorneys representing the players held a press conference to announce the results of the tests, saying they exonerated the players.

Attorneys Wade Smith and Joe Cheshire said the tests showed no DNA from any player was found on the woman.


Again-- doesn't disprove a rape charge. But, if not from any of the men present at the party, where did that DNA come from?

(Of course, a possibility that's unclear, is that no sample-able DNA was recovered, in which case no one is cleared. But assuming someone's DNA was recovered from semen-- this is another big question in the case.)
 
2006-04-10 06:06:49 PM  
I'll submit the link with funnier headline.
/submitted 'da link 2x
 
2006-04-10 06:09:41 PM  
how the heck long does a DNA test take?
About an hour to two to prepare the sample with the propper restriction enzymes and about twenty minutes to the test itself.
 
2006-04-10 06:12:15 PM  
Oh_Enough_Already,

Exactly.

A stripper crying "rape" is akin to a boxer complaining that he got punched in the mouth.


Every so often, I wonder why it is that women don't trust men.

Then, I see someone spout bullshiat like this, and I remember.
 
2006-04-10 06:14:25 PM  
The same tests that were sent to the defense attorneys were sent to the prosecution. The defense attorneys would be idiotic to claim the results showed no match when there was one, as the prosecutors could immediately refute the claim (which they haven't)
 
2006-04-10 06:16:46 PM  
as bouts of brilliance said, I just heard on ESPN that all DNA tests were negative...
 
2006-04-10 06:18:57 PM  
kevinatilusaThe same tests that were sent to the defense attorneys were sent to the prosecution. The defense attorneys would be idiotic to claim the results showed no match when there was one, as the prosecutors could immediately refute the claim (which they haven't)

That's very true, but what is not clear from the stories I've read so far, is if the DNA testing simply said that they didn't have enough stuff to test, or if the stuff they had for whatever reason was corrupted or otherwise not amenable to testing. In that case, the result would get you back to he-said, she-said, and not contradict anyone's story.

Now, if there's stuff in the rape kit that did yield a DNA profile, and it doesn't match any of the guys from the party, and there isn't some really good explanation for that, guess what . . .
 
2006-04-10 06:20:09 PM  
how long can she be sent away for if it turns out she was lieing?...

/probably not long enough
 
2006-04-10 06:23:35 PM  
DNA tests came back. No matches to any of the Duke students

/Tawana Brawley not available for comment.
 
2006-04-10 06:27:01 PM  
Potterbro

Remember this?
http://www.lubbockonline.com/news/011597/polic1e.htm
Nina Shahravan, 23, could face six months in jail and a $2,000 fine if convicted of the misdemeanor.
(The Michael Irvin/Erik Williams false gang-rape case- where they were accused of holding a gun to an "ex-stripper"'s head.)
 
2006-04-10 06:41:51 PM  
Anyone want to bet that even if she recants her story, none of these guys are going to get a cent reimbursed for lawyers, rent, tuition, or defamation of character?
 
2006-04-10 06:43:56 PM  
seatown75Anyone want to bet that even if she recants her story, none of these guys are going to get a cent reimbursed for lawyers, rent, tuition, or defamation of character?

You can't get blood from a turnip-- who is supposed to pay them, other than this stripper and her friend, and how much money do you think they have?
 
2006-04-10 06:44:13 PM  
My dad and I were talking yesterday, and he said something to the effect of:

This story is spreading the idea that Durham is just a big city of poor black people with a big white island in the middle of it called Duke.

I told him that he was correct -- that was a bad idea to spread. Durham is a big city of poor Hispanic people, with a large black contingent, that has two big white islands: Duke and NCSSM.

/we lived in Durham
//still nearby, in Wake County
///Go Pack!
////Hope the assaulters get caught, whoever they are.
 
2006-04-10 06:46:45 PM  
I'm not sure, but doesn't mama's_tasty_foods' post cross the lines here? Mods?
 
2006-04-10 06:47:56 PM  
mama's_tasty_foods

You can't get blood from a turnip-- who is supposed to pay them, other than this stripper and her friend, and how much money do you think they have?

Perhaps the money should come from a victims relief fund?
 
2006-04-10 06:54:07 PM  
SigmundFreud

What line would I have crossed?
 
2006-04-10 06:57:01 PM  
mama's_tasty_foods What line would I have crossed?

I'll hazzard a guess it's the lynching picture.
 
2006-04-10 07:07:04 PM  
W O L F !
 
2006-04-10 07:13:13 PM  
what line would that be?

(in here, it's more interesting than the article)
 
2006-04-10 07:22:37 PM  
All Apologies
Besides, defense attorneys for wealthy brats seem unable to comprehend ethics or morality when paid enough.

Yes, because no defense attorneys for underpriviledged clients have EVER utilized all avenues available to them to try to keep their clients out of jail. /rolleyes

Don't be so naive.

You seem to be confusing ethics with morality. They're two completely different things. You can act immorally and still be considered to be acting ethically if what you're doing is accepted by the code of ethics for your professional organization. Defense attorneys defend clients whose actions and creedoes they believe are immoral all the time, but they are sworn to give that defendant the best defense they are capable of providing regardless of their personal beliefs.

What the attorneys are doing in the article you posted may be detestable to you, but I don't see anything in your article that says they're being disbarred for ethics violations. In fact, I would guess that they will probably be congratulated by their peers should their campaign to smear the victim be successful in securing their clients' releases.

Like it or not, putting the victim on trial is a valid tactic used by defense attorneys for poor defendants as well as privledged ones. Just because the wealthy defendants can afford lawyers who are better at it doesn't make it any less viable of a tactic for the counsel of poor defendants.
 
2006-04-10 07:25:07 PM  
hahahaha

The DNA tests came back negative....

PWNED !!!!1eleventy !!!

Tawanna .... ANYONE CARE TO TAKE A GUESS WHO'S DNA was swabbed from her ANAL RAPE !!! Perhaps her last john? Her PIMP?

Grabbing popcorn. Cannot wait until the ummm "locals" go apeshiat... LITERALLY... hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha
 
2006-04-10 07:27:25 PM  
The funny part is the protests the black members of the community had a few days ago over the whole affair; the funny part being is I wonder how many of the folks protesting this action had their lips tightly wrapped around Koby's sportscock over what he did?

/There's no way he could have done it, I know because he's really good at ghetto-hockey ya racist cracka's!!!
 
2006-04-10 07:29:26 PM  
Oh_Enough_Already:
A stripper crying "rape" is akin to a boxer complaining that he got punched in the mouth.

Please die, preferably before you ever occupy a cubic mile of air adjacent to any woman I know.

All Apologies:
Besides, defense attorneys for wealthy brats seem unable to comprehend ethics or morality when paid enough.

My god, that is just about the worst thing I've ever heard. At least she doesn't remember it.
 
2006-04-10 07:31:03 PM  
OKay all you Playa Haters.

IF THE DNA don't Fit, you must ACQUIT....

NEWS JUST IN that it doesnt match..

/perhaps those HORRIBLE rich white boys had some PIMP sperm with them and used a turkey baster.
///You know those rich white boys are all guilty....
 
2006-04-10 07:32:29 PM  
Again, what self-respecting pimp/stripper booking agency sends girls out without protection? EVERY bachelor party stripper I've ever met has been introduced by a homeboy with a handgun.


"This is Mercedes and this, this is a Glock 9. Y'all boys have a good time."
 
2006-04-10 07:36:43 PM  
Oh_Enough_Already:
And I wonder every day why women do such incredibly stupid things " . . . . all I did was drink a fifth of vodka and take some extacy and then I went upstairs at the frat house and did a strip tease for 10 drunken frat boys and then I gave three of them lap dances and two of them blow jobs but I didn't want to have sex with the other five guys. I guess I was raped and am a victim now." (boo freakin hoo) . . .and then act suprised at the outcome.

Where common sense fears to tread is where too many women walk.


The point is, a woman should be able to come to my house, drink with me, make out with me, perhaps even engage in some sexual activity, but if she then says "Stop" and I DON'T... that's sexual assault. Doesn't take much of a brain to figure that out. Women are allowed to change their minds about sex, just as men are. They don't "owe" us orgasms in any situation. Cock-teasing is ANNOYING, but it's never a license to commit sexual assault.

The point is also, you are a misogynist menace and please die.
 
2006-04-10 07:46:11 PM  
From a converstation with the women's attorney:

Q: How would you describe her? If I ran into her tonight someplace, what would I think?

VANN: Very nice, very straightforward, comes from a good family. She's well spoken. She, prior to this incident in 2002 had no criminal record, had no driving record, raises her two kids, works, seems to just be a normal hard working lady.



Let's see, she was charged with 3 felonies in 2002, which were bargained down to 4 misdemeanors. Not married, 2 kids, works as a stripper.

"normal, hard working lady from a good famliy?"

Most would call her a basket case.
 
2006-04-10 09:29:13 PM  
mama's_tasty_foods: As with many cases like this, vigilante justice is just about the only solution. I hope this poor woman has some good friends/family who do what's appropriate.

That method NEVER solves anything. Either way. If anything, it makes it worse. Suggestions of that are usually made by close minded biggots. Guess that is you this time. Congrats!
 
2006-04-10 09:50:00 PM  
Yo, I gots 'ta give props to my homies down in Duke U, 'cause a whole lotta mofos be hatin' on 'em Lacrosse playas, yo!, I plays that shiat with ma posse. Don't be hatin' on da Dukies. Stop Snitching, Word!
 
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