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2006-04-05 04:59:48 PM
Well played, theorellior. I just bought the Citizen Steely Dan box set, and I'm totally in love. The sound quality is way superior to the scratchy old LPs I've been listening to for years. A pair of AKG K 240 Studios doesn't hurt either.

TommyymmoT: That board = Teh s3xay.
 
2006-04-05 04:59:53 PM
Stu_Padasso: Always the original:

Nice one.
 
2006-04-05 05:02:38 PM
2006-04-05 03:07:36 PM DayeOfJustice

So, wait because some rappers have grills...it's a fashion trend for everybody?


Nonono, it's not that simple. They had to make a really horrific song about it first! And then the video, and then pay the radio to play it... I mean, it took some marketing my man!

/ugh
 
2006-04-05 05:03:48 PM
I was born in 1981. How the hell am I such an old fogey already?
/GET OFF MY LAWN
 
2006-04-05 05:06:43 PM
Krebstar2000

Brian Wilson does actually know what the knobs do.
If you're a producer, it's as important as knowing what the frets do if you're a guitar player.

Your question?

I'll just type until I get tired, I don't feel like expounding on every one of them.

Edgar Winter
Johnny Winter
Cats
Les Miserables
Rick Derringer
The Allman Brothers
U-2
Igor Kipness at Lincoln Center
Roy Buchanan at Carnagie Hall (pay per view)
Chubby Checker
Rennaisance
Gentle Giant
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Faith No More
Living Color
David Lee Roth
Annie
Phantom of the Opera
Television
Tom Verlaine
The Ramones
The Dictators
The Dead Boys
Sam And Dave
The TGIF tour with Donna Summer
Birdsongs Of The Mesozoic
Roger Moore
The Talking Heads
Rob Zombie

House tech - QE2, J.B.Scotts, CBGB OMFUG, Hulaballoo, Proctors Theater, Pepsi Arena.

Good enough for ya so far?

I'm tired of typing.
 
2006-04-05 05:18:20 PM
von_etrigan: sitting behind one

i sit in front of my computer. i sit at my desk. i sit behind the steering wheel.

kinda all seems like the same position with different names.
 
2006-04-05 05:18:21 PM
Wow, impressive list. Continue with your self-satisfaction and haughtiness.

And my point wasn't that Brian Wilson was ignorant about producing. It was that his ability to turn knobs means NOTHING. It was his innate musical ability that makes him brilliant and his music great. No one is like "man, Brian's songs were ok but did you see him turn those knobs!!! and his work with the sliders, Brilliant!!!!" So you making fun of guys who don't know how to use those machines doesn't mean they don't know their shiate or aren't talented. So you are right, the knobs are about as important to music as the frets on a guitar, not very. Once again, being able to play guitar well is about one millionth as important as being able to write songs. You can teach one and not the other.

You may know your way around a board better, but i bet you the RZA would run circles around you coming up with beats. And if its so easy and mindless, why are you a billionaire record producer.
 
2006-04-05 05:19:54 PM
carp, should be why aren't you a billionaire.
 
2006-04-05 05:31:28 PM
Grape flavored menthol pencils.... damned board of education.
 
2006-04-05 05:36:38 PM
Having been a fan of rap for a long time, I have to say this current trend in hip-hop fashion confounds me. For some reason, most big rap stars try to look as much like old white women as possible - driving bentleys, wearing big sunglasses, gaudy jewelry, and fur coats, etc. So I would have guessed coffee/cigarette stained dentures would have been next. Or maybe diamond studded Depends undergarments or something...
 
2006-04-05 05:41:11 PM
Krebstar2000
Wow, impressive list. Continue with your self-satisfaction and haughtiness.

Yes, I will thank you, it's sort of like a job requirement, as is being a multi instrumentalist.

COMING UP WITH BEATS? You're kidding right?
None of that trash is in anything other than 4/4 (common) time.

Yes, I know how to sample and program, but I also know how to play it.

I studied under the best of them (se hable MOOG?)
Beats. What a joke. Don't tell me, you know how to operate Bomb Factory, or Fruity Loops?
Excuse me, I have to write home.

/and no, I'm not exactly broke.
 
2006-04-05 05:42:56 PM
Give up Tommy,

Your point of musical talent and the ability to compose and refine the medium are lost on Krebstar.

I happen to agree, that the ability to compose and refine ones musical abilities lies in all phases of the finished product. Leaving the editing to others, at least to me, infers a overall lack of willingness to learn, or disregard for the given talent they may have.

Just my 2 cents
 
2006-04-05 05:44:01 PM
I find the Wagner 6500 to be a reliable and clean burning grill. img319.imageshack.us
 
2006-04-05 05:46:07 PM
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2006-04-05 05:46:29 PM
BluesmanDave I just bought the Citizen Steely Dan box set, and I'm totally in love.

Good stuff! I got it about the time it came out, I think in 1996. Funny story about it: I mentioned it in a phone conversation with my mother, and she got it for me for Christmas that year. She said that when she went to the record store to pick it up, the clerk asked her very seriously if she was sure I would "understand" it. Hahahah.

For the record, I was born in 1971, and "Hey, Nineteen" was one of my favorite songs in 1981. I think I was a little ahead of the curve for my age. ;)
 
2006-04-05 05:50:25 PM
BlntForceTrauma

You speak great wisdom.
 
2006-04-05 05:51:28 PM
Seriously, it is confounding that someone who has been in the music business as longs as you can be so closed minded, dismissive, and purposely obtuse about a whole genre of music. It's ok to not like it, but to say "none of that trash is anything other than 4/4 (common (for rock music)) is just willfully ignorant.


also
"as is being a multi instrumentalist." Way to sneak in another boast, congrats.

No i don't know how to use fruity loops but if i did and thats it, so what? You don't seem to grasp the concept that being able to use software or hardware is just time invested and not talent. Congrats on you MOOG seal of approval on you engineering certificate. Still doesn't mean you have any talent just because when the producer says "turn up mic one" you know what knob to twist before you say "yes sir" and go pick up bagels for the group.

Lastly, i get the impression that you've had a mullet, is that true?
 
2006-04-05 05:52:46 PM
TommyymmoT: COMING UP WITH BEATS? You're kidding right?
None of that trash is in anything other than 4/4 (common) time.


And yet you seem incapable of making a #1 hiphop song.
 
2006-04-05 05:55:44 PM
Delsueno,

That is one of the best posts I've ever read, anywhere. Good times!
 
2006-04-05 05:59:50 PM
BlntForceTrauma

No, you missed my point. What he is doing is the equivalent of being a classically trained guitar player ripping on John Lennon because he doesn't know all of the technical details about music theory and was just an average guitar player. He might not have been a virtuoso, but he made the best of his ability and got his message across superbly. Those rap producers aren't letting someone else do the editting for them, he is mocking them for trying with limited technical ability. All i am saying is that the technical ability just comes with time. Those guys didn't go to school for this, they just hear it in their head and try to recreate it as best they can.
 
2006-04-05 06:01:26 PM
1) Some hiphop/rap is good, but most is complete shiat. Incidentially virtually all the "#1" popular tracks are of the shiatty variety.

2) Some rock/pop is good, but most is complete shiat. Incidentially virtually all the "#1" popular tracks are of the shiatty variety.

The only difference to me is that some of the best hiphop/rap has been recorded in the last 10 years, while it's probably been the opposite story for rock/pop. The "#1" phenomenon is the same as with the Nobel prize. People eventually get sick of a rare GOOD #1, so some other song gets to be #1, even if it's not any good.

But enough of this misdirection, "grilles" are bar none the stupidest fad shiat I've ever seen in my entire life. We should all be pointing and laughing at grillz, not arguing about music...
 
2006-04-05 06:04:56 PM
Krebstar2000: Sound folks like TommyymmoT and I are integral parts of making good music. A studio can be played like an instrument, and we get mad when our instruments are coopted by people who can't acutally use them. The most brilliant beat in the world can be totally unlistenable if the person making those beats doesn't know how to use studio space or equipment, or doesn't have the foresight to hire someone who does. I'm just as mad when Kelly Clarkson is pictured holding a guitar as I am when ODB is pictured in front of a board like the one TommyymmoT showed earlier. (And yes, I know ODB's dead.) I think that's where the argument lies, not whether rap or hiphop as genres are valid. TommyymmoT, feel free to correct me if I'm misrepresenting your point.

/a Chris Thomas King man, myself. Hip hop and blues in the same album. Beautiful.
//Whitey "Heart Attack" Ford can eat a dick.
 
2006-04-05 06:10:53 PM
You should all listen to darkenergy. He is wise. There are stellar musicians and songs in every genre, but if it's not your bag, don't listen. No big. We should all be united around the fact that "grilles" are tantamount to walking around with a big strap-on attached to your forehead.

btw, darkenergy, thanks for the props. Got to keep a sense of humor about this stuff, huh?
 
2006-04-05 06:15:08 PM
TommyymmoT
This is an SSL. If you break one, let me know, I'll fix it for you, but watching some idiot with a 50 word vocabulary sit in front of one is just insulting.

Ya know that comment kinda reminded me of how I felt after Memphis went crazy because Three Six Mafia won an Oscar. My brother won a Grammy while in college and didn't get any mention anywhere in this town. Maybe it was because it was Jazz, or maybe he just needed a grill.
 
2006-04-05 06:16:08 PM
By the way, self satisfaction and haughtiness is practically a job requirement. And it's fun.
 
2006-04-05 06:18:33 PM
BluesmanDave: I'm just as mad when Kelly Clarkson is pictured holding a guitar as I am when ODB is pictured in front of a board like the one TommyymmoT showed earlier.

ODB was an accomplished producer. The GZA taught him well.
 
2006-04-05 06:19:45 PM
Krebstar,

What I see from that industry overall, and no I'm not in that industry just an outsider looking in,is a lack of motivation to learn. Most of these individuals are nothing more than temporary mouthpieces for the culture of the street. There are more than a couple of these guys that have learned the trade and you would hope that a mentor/student relationship would start to develop. That does not seem to be the case.

I am using TommyymmoT's insight to verify my assumptions. Given that he has been in the industry for a substantial period of time, I think that we need to look at his crenditials and either validate or rethink our thoughts on the industry as a whole.

I believe that Tommy's insight is probably more credible that either of our opinions on the topic. So I will defer to experience on this one.
 
2006-04-05 06:20:35 PM
The fact that Nelly wrote a hit rap song glamourising this trend just shows how MINDLESS mainstream rap's content is.

When grunge was in style, Nirvana didn't write a song about how awesome flannel shirts were.
 
2006-04-05 06:20:55 PM
MWeather: You can produce all you want and still be a crappy engineer or studio tech.
 
2006-04-05 06:23:17 PM
kinda makes you wish gold was toxic
 
2006-04-05 06:27:33 PM
BluesmanDave: You can produce all you want and still be a crappy engineer or studio tech.

What did you not like about ODB's producing?
 
2006-04-05 06:30:45 PM
Happygoth,

likelyculprit, had that thought earlier.

They should start making grills out of lead

I wouldn't be supprised if some of them don't end up with lead grills. Wouldn't be depressed about it either.

Hell awaits,
I'm sure I have a great view from the river of fire.
 
2006-04-05 06:36:31 PM
MWeather: Definition time.

Producer: Supervisor of a recording session. Helps artist pick material, make choices about instrumentation, song structure, song order, album art, etc.

Engineer or Studio Tech: actually knows how to run all the equipment. Can place microphones in ways that will bring out or leave out tonal qualities in instruments or voices, can make parts sparkle or hide, can make sure everything SOUNDS GOOD.

Metaphor: Producer steers ship. Engineer maintains, fuels, fixes, modifies, fine tunes, paints, polishes the ship. Artist claims to be captain, blames producer and engineer for lack of talent, phones in parts, goes back to the Bahamas and dies face down in a swimming pool full of cocaine.

Bottom line: PRODUCERS are not ENIGNEERS.
 
2006-04-05 06:39:17 PM
By the way, going back to the Bahamas and dying face down in a swimming pool full of cocaine is known as a 'heart attack' in the music industry.
 
2006-04-05 06:39:23 PM
If it hasn't been mentioned already, lukelightning wins the thread.

He's just lucky I turned my head away from my keyboard when the sprayage began.
 
2006-04-05 06:40:53 PM
ODB, Everlast, Jim Morrison, Paul Kossoff, Lowell George, and others all had 'heart attacks'.
 
2006-04-05 06:42:12 PM
Sounds good to me. Serious infections, tooth loss. Such things could make a person sick. Maybe even casue an early death. Sounds like that sly Dr. Darwin being subtle, to me.

/laughing at asshats with shiny mouths.
 
2006-04-05 06:42:15 PM
BluesmanDave,

I couldn't help but laugh out loud at the your metaphor.

Does that make me a bad person?
 
2006-04-05 06:45:24 PM
BlntForceTrauma: Not at all. Just so we're clear, I plan on dying of a 'heart attack' myself.
 
2006-04-05 06:48:44 PM
Krebstar2000
Seriously, it is confounding that someone who has been in the music business as longs as you can be so closed minded, dismissive, and purposely obtuse about a whole genre of music. It's ok to not like it, but to say "none of that trash is anything other than 4/4 (common (for rock music)) is just willfully ignorant.

No, not ignorant, just dismissive of junk.
It's Karaoke, get over it.

Let's see you pound out a beat in anything other than 4/4.

Lastly, i get the impression that you've had a mullet, is that true?

Ummmm, no, I'm From NYC, YOU'RE the one from Kentucky.
Better put that shirt back on, I think I just saw the video crew from COPS.

MWeather
TommyymmoT: COMING UP WITH BEATS? You're kidding right?
None of that trash is in anything other than 4/4 (common) time.

And yet you seem incapable of making a #1 hiphop song.


How do you know I have'nt?
My stuff HAS been sampled (stolen).
See the big list above that I started to placate some asshole.

See the part that says "Annie"?
Ever heard a song called "It's A Hard Knocks Life"?

Now run along and get your shine box.

/and no, I'm not the one who fetches the bagels, or addresses anyone as "sir", it's the other way around.
If you knew a damn thing about it, it's way more than moving the fader marked channel one. Let's start with mic selection, placement, attenuation, and then comes the good part. Multi parametric EQ, Aux sends (12), returns, and a whole world of FX.
THEN you get to move fader #1. (usually kick #1, front).

Got that shine box yet?
 
2006-04-05 06:50:34 PM
BluesmanDave: Definition time.


ODB was the one actualy running the equipment. I'm sure others were there too, afterall you can't be two places at once and the more mundane aspects don't need the artist's personal attention. But he actualy knew how to work the equipment. Of course making most hip hop requires a bit less technical expertise than, for example, classical music.

In the rap world producers tend to do more than the definition implies, especialy if they're working on their own music.
 
2006-04-05 06:53:01 PM
TommyymmoT: Which one of us decided the kick is always #1? I've always done it that way and I don't know why.
 
2006-04-05 06:54:57 PM
TommyymmoT: How do you know I have'nt?

You would have mentioned it, given your ego.

See the part that says "Annie"?
Ever heard a song called "It's A Hard Knocks Life"?


Yeah, having your music sampled into not just another song, but another genre altogether is just the same as making a hit (or even good) hip hop song.

I guess that makes James Brown the greatest hip hop artist ever.

/and no, I'm not the one who fetches the bagels, or addresses anyone as "sir", it's the other way around.

That impresses me. Really, it does.
 
2006-04-05 06:57:25 PM
MWeather: I admit that a producer can be a good engineer. They just aren't always. I'm sorry I picked your personal hero for my example. ODB may be the best studio engineer since Eddie Kramer, but I doubt it.
 
2006-04-05 07:00:16 PM
BluesmanDave: ODB may be the best studio engineer since Eddie Kramer, but I doubt it.


Naa, he doesn't (didn't) have anything on Kanye West.
 
2006-04-05 07:00:49 PM
I'm just looking for some respect for my craft. It is not something just anyone can do, it does take talent, and it's hard! We can add immeasurably to any live or studio recording or production, and the only time anybody even notices us is when something goes wrong, usually something that's beyond our control or somebody else's fault. Go tour a working music studio or theater sound booth some time and follow the engineer around. See how long it takes you to get totally lost.
 
2006-04-05 07:01:25 PM
BluesmanDave: ODB, Everlast, Jim Morrison, Paul Kossoff, Lowell George, and others all had 'heart attacks'.

Everlast is dead? News to me.
 
2006-04-05 07:04:19 PM
sinistermonk: Nah, he's not. He just got lucky.
 
2006-04-05 07:05:50 PM
BluesmanDave
Which one of us decided the kick is always #1? I've always done it that way and I don't know why.

I dunno, and I beta tested one of the first Sunn graphic EQs.

Normally?
Kick, snare, hat, rack 1, rack 2, floor, overhead left, overhead right.

Fancy?
Kick front, kick back, snare bottom, snare side, snare top, hat top, hat side, rack top, rack bottom,(x2)Floor top, floor bottom. Overhead L&R, ambient mono mic 6 feet away, and a contact mic to activate triggers on all of the above.

You can always when sound check starts.
KICK!
SNARE!
HAT!
KICK HAIR AND SNAT!
PLAY ME A SONG ON JUST THOSE THREE!
Ect.
 
2006-04-05 07:09:41 PM
Very often, the engineer becomes the producer, by default.
You have to be an interpreter.
An amatuer producer saying saying they want more...that sound, very often leaves you on your own.
 
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