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2006-04-04 10:01:00 AM  
Atomic_Cockroach
And if they weren't in opposing religions, they could both have the land and learn to share.
 
2006-04-04 10:01:08 AM  
BrotherAlpha: Go read up on international law. Forbidding the taking of land through warfare is one of the central TENETS of international law, without it countries would be fighting border wars left and right.

Tatsuma
So, why do you hate the UN?

I don't. I hate intellectual dishonesty though, such as saying "the UN has never condemned" something when in fact the UN General Assembly has, many many times.
 
2006-04-04 10:01:19 AM  
Farkomatic: The PLO was created and started killing Jewish babies in 1964

did they bake their blood into bread, or was that the other side?

this much historical idiocy, one needs a scorecard
 
2006-04-04 10:01:30 AM  
www.blamonet.com

Fark 'em all and let God (or Allah) sort 'em out...
 
2006-04-04 10:01:58 AM  
I guess I don't understand why they can't just live together? Would that be so bad?

I mean, if people they decided to merge Maryland and Virginia into one state, I wouldn't wage a 40 year war.

/As long as driving would be taught by people from Virginia.
 
2006-04-04 10:02:28 AM  
Tatsuma
no, but there will be war once the State of Palestine attacks Israel and that Israel stops holding back and destroys Hamas, the Fatah & the Islamic Jihad

So, basically, without just coming right out and saying it, your way of getting peace is simply to kill all the Palestinians. Great.
 
2006-04-04 10:02:32 AM  
rbuzby: We gave Iraqis the vote, and they voted for whoever the clerics told them to vote for. And they created a constitution that says "no law can contradict Islam".

Palestinians voted, and voted for terrorists.

Maybe Democracy doesnt equal "freedom" after all?

Maybe buzz words dont = good foreign policy either?


you are my new hero- summed up the situation very nicely- I'm gonna use this arguement!
 
2006-04-04 10:02:55 AM  
Undermining Abas is their strategy... hoping for a civil war in the region.

IMHO until a multinational coalition goes in there, and overthrows both the Israeli and Palestinian governments, this is a stalemate. Both are religious states (despite claiming otherwise) with to little tolerance to create a lasting peace.
 
2006-04-04 10:02:56 AM  
waxingpolemic: The UN had NO right to give that land to them in the first place...period.

YES, YES THEY DID (pops)

In 1947, following increasing levels of violence by Jewish militant groups together with unsuccessful efforts to reconcile the Jewish and Arab populations, the British government decided to withdraw from the Palestine Mandate. The UN General Assembly approved the 1947 UN Partition Plan dividing the territory into two states, with the Jewish area having roughly 55% of the land, and the Arab area roughly 45%. Jerusalem was planned to be an international region administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its status.

Immediately following the adoption of the Partition Plan by the UN General Assembly (on November 29, 1947), David Ben-Gurion tentatively accepted the partition, while the Arab League rejected it. Several Arab attacks on Jewish civilians soon turned into widespread fighting between Arabs and Jews, this civil war being the first "phase" of the 1948 war of Independence.

On May 14, 1948, before the expiry of the British Mandate of Palestine at midnight of May 15, 1948, the State of Israel was proclaimed.
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2006-04-04 10:03:01 AM  
Tatsuma: Stop typing so fast, I can't keep up.

no, but there will be war once the State of Palestine attacks Israel and that Israel stops holding back and destroys Hamas, the Fatah & the Islamic Jihad

You can't destroy hatred with hatred.

mrexcess: You may have some points, but we are faced with the humpty dumpty paradox. The only thing you can do here is lay a new egg, and your...vehemence won't help.

Chickens like it slow.
 
2006-04-04 10:03:13 AM  
www.ussliberty.org

/not surprised
 
2006-04-04 10:03:28 AM  
From the article: The Israeli airstrike came in response to homemade Palestinian rocket attacks on southern Israel, though it was not immediately clear why Abbas' compound was targeted. Abbas has been a strong critic of the rocket fire and has urged the new Hamas Cabinet to accept peacemaking with Israel.

What the Fark is wrong with Israel? It's as if the US bombed Downing Street 'cos of the shoe bomber. I'm sick of their arrogance and high-handedness. The sad thing is, if they succeed in pushing for an all out war, they'll crush the Palestinians indescriminately. If they acted reasonably, then the extremists would lose their mandate and internal support, just as has happended in Northern Ireland and is happening with ETA.

But personally I don't think either Israel or the US want peace.

/Pissed off with these farktards
 
2006-04-04 10:03:38 AM  
The Jewish people are so far superior to the Brown People that the UN decided to give them BACK their own country.

Yeah. 2000 Years Ago. In which case, let's just give the land back to the REAL rightful owners of it, THE CHRISTIANS... I mean...Israel's leaders were a cruel and oppressive regime...in fact, wasn't Jesus' whole thing about how utterly uncool the Jews were?

No matter how many times you say that Israel belongs to the Jewish people, there are people who believe that the Jews had as much right to Palestine as the Sioux have to South Dakota.
 
2006-04-04 10:03:42 AM  
waxingpolemic: What if the U.N. voted to establish a Palestinian State in the middle of Williamsburg or Sheepshead Bay or Long Beach???

Clearly, you've never heard of southern Michigan/northeast Ohio. :)~
 
2006-04-04 10:03:58 AM  
My feelings on this are conflicted. On one side you have Israel who has every right to protect its interests and citizens from attack. On the other you have Palestinians who want peace and get on with their lives, who just happen to be represented by the most vicious, cowardly, predators. Yes predators. They target women and children for the sheer shock and terror value.

I say, let Israel beat the living fark outta these pr*@ks. Try not to harm the innocents, but basically that is secondary. These farkers are lobbing shiat at israel and then hiding behind civilians, and the public sympathy for the peaceful palestinians. Its like when you were a kid and one of your buds gave you a whack. When you go after him for his trangressions he hides behind his moms skirt for protection while giving you the finger. Fark me.

The Palestinians voted hamas into power. Period. If they don't agree with whats going on, then, use their new found power to oust the pricks. Unless this is what they truly want to be going on, they have to do whats best for them. Enough is enough. They get the government they deserve.

Israel is no joke. They have the resolve to do whats right for Israel and their citizens. They also kick some serious ass. If someone was lobbing in shells or rockets against me and mine. I don't believe I would put up with it for more than say, 1 nano second. Imagine what we, as Americans, would do if the same was happening to us.

The Palestinians have to make the choice now. Only they have the power to end this shiat. If they have any doubts Israel will show them which end of the stick they want to be on.
 
2006-04-04 10:04:18 AM  
www.protestwarrior.com
 
2006-04-04 10:04:50 AM  
mungo
But personally I don't think either Israel or the US want peace.

OF COURSE they don't want peace. Peace would require them to negotiate in good faith for the Palestinian territory, or come out looking bad in the international community. Better for them to continue to provoke small-scale Palestinian outrage attacks that they can blow completely out of proportion and use as an excuse to unilaterally take everything they want.
 
2006-04-04 10:05:05 AM  
An eye for an eye. When are the Palestinian people going to get it thru their thick Muslim heads that the Israeli Military has better weaps and a better/longer payback system than their Hammas bomb makers, keep it up guys and you will lose bigtime. Ask the US to intervene, why, what's in it for us, you have already proven that you hate us. Just a suggestion, change Palestine's name to BOHICA. You have started a war you cannot win and your children will suffer for it. Buzzy.
 
2006-04-04 10:05:47 AM  
waxingpolemic:
It's not a RELIGION issue... It's an Ethnic issue... Jews are better than Palestinians. That's the basic issue. The UN had NO right to give that land to them in the first place...period.
If you disagree, you MUST believe that the Jews are inherently superior to the Arabs.
What if the U.N. voted to establish a Palestinian State in the middle of Williamsburg or Sheepshead Bay or Long Beach???


Fcuking hell, how stupid are you?

1.) There was a large Jewish population in the area before this all started, unlike a Palestinian population in Long Beach.

2.) The U.N. has the right, it's their charter.

3.) The Arabs lost the war. And by war I mean WWII. They were allied with Germany and even petitioned Hitlet to spread his Final Solution to the Middle East. When you lose a war, you lose land. It's as simple as that.

4.) This has nothing to do with religion, enthic groups, etc. I am neither Jewish nor Arab by ancestory, nor am I religious. I've just looked at the facts and the full history of the conflict from its beginnings more than a century ago. (Hell, if you want to get really anal about it, the problem migrated from the Middle East to Europe and then back again and has been going on for about 2000 years.)
 
2006-04-04 10:06:25 AM  
Sooo...There are two groups of assholes fighting...and one of them is the favorite son of the world, the other the red headed step-son of the world. You can pick and choose which is which. im going back to sleep.
 
2006-04-04 10:06:28 AM  
GlitchCog
And if they weren't in opposing religions, they could both have the land and learn to share.

Do you honestly believe that human beings are just sweet peaceful little creatures without big bad religion to lead us astray? The conflict is racial and ethnic. Moreover it's historical, it's been going on for thousands of years. You're verging on saying that correlation implies causation, i.e. religious people are fighting, therefore religion is the root of conflict.
 
2006-04-04 10:06:57 AM  
Wait a minute . . . there's trouble in the Middle East??

Well I, for one, am SHOCKED.
 
2006-04-04 10:07:00 AM  
zOOmzOOmzOOm: Fark 'em all and let God (or Allah) sort 'em out...



That is a complete bastardization of the real phrase. It is supposed to be "Kill them all, god will know his own" from the Cathar Crusade in the 13th century.
 
2006-04-04 10:07:29 AM  
BrotherAlpha

Proof it. Where does it say one country can't claim land won in a war? Especially a war where they were attacked first?

That principle of international law is codified in the UN Charter, in the portions dealing with lawful use of force. It specifically says that force used to gain territory is unlawful. I don't recall the excact cite off hand, but it's easy enough to find on the UN website.
 
2006-04-04 10:07:40 AM  
bakarocket
You may have some points, but we are faced with the humpty dumpty paradox.

No we're not. If push comes to shove, the US can make Israel do whatever we want, because we're the only thing standing between Israel and annihilation. If we demanded, in no uncertain terms, that Israel return to its legally established borders and find a way to make peace with Palestine, they would have no choice.

Of course, Israel knows that. That's why AIPAC, Israel's lobbying group here in the US, is better funded and more powerful than even the NRA...control of US politicians is essential to prevent this.
 
2006-04-04 10:07:44 AM  
mrexcess: So, basically, without just coming right out and saying it, your way of getting peace is simply to kill all the Palestinians. Great.

you're both crossing the line and putting words in my mouth

One more stunt like that and no more hate sex for you
 
2006-04-04 10:07:55 AM  
Time to drop the Hebrew Hammer.

Otherwise known as the Maccabees.
 
2006-04-04 10:08:10 AM  
BrotherAlpha: They were allied with Germany and even petitioned Hitlet to spread his Final Solution to the Middle East. When you lose a war, you lose land. It's as simple as that.

Godwin'd!!
 
2006-04-04 10:08:27 AM  
waxingpolemic: Yeah. 2000 Years Ago. In which case, let's just give the land back to the REAL rightful owners of it, THE CHRISTIANS... I mean...Israel's leaders were a cruel and oppressive regime...in fact, wasn't Jesus' whole thing about how utterly uncool the Jews were?

No matter how many times you say that Israel belongs to the Jewish people, there are people who believe that the Jews had as much right to Palestine as the Sioux have to South Dakota.


so you are trolling after all
 
2006-04-04 10:08:40 AM  
devioustrevor: That is a complete bastardization of the real phrase. It is supposed to be "Kill them all, god will know his own" from the Cathar Crusade in the 13th century.

Right you are sir! Quite proud of it too.

/I'll be here all week...
 
2006-04-04 10:08:55 AM  
Well... I certainly learned a lot today.

Thanks, all..
 
2006-04-04 10:08:59 AM  
wth is this supposed to prove?

Shoot at Abbas until he turns into Sharon v2.0?
what kinda plan is that?

dumb farks.
 
2006-04-04 10:09:06 AM  
I bet theirs some Hawt palestinian chicas and they like to get DIRTY.

Free the puppies1!!
 
2006-04-04 10:09:14 AM  
ceremony_1968: Godwin'd!!

It's not Godwin to talk to a relevant action that happened with the past

He's not comparing ANYONE with the nazis

Misuse of G-dwin should put you for 2 hours in probation
 
2006-04-04 10:09:45 AM  
meh, fark that region up its own ass

it's all so unbelievably absurd, not sure how anybody can take the israelis or palestinians seriously anymore
 
2006-04-04 10:10:11 AM  
Magilla808: It specifically says that force used to gain territory is unlawful. I don't recall the excact cite off hand, but it's easy enough to find on the UN website.

Yup, and Israel didn't use Force to gain territories either.
 
2006-04-04 10:10:15 AM  
Tatsuma
you're both crossing the line and putting words in my mouth

Sorry, but them's the facts. You want Israel to unilaterally establish the borders, which will just inspire and engrain further hatred for Israel. Then you want Palestine to attack Israel so Israel has an excuse to kill them. That's what you SAID.

You don't want peace. You want victory.
 
2006-04-04 10:11:11 AM  
Tatsuma
Yup, and Israel didn't use Force to gain territories either.

a) I know damn well it isn't raining
b) Aren't you out of piss right now?

/somebody have a towel?
 
2006-04-04 10:11:58 AM  
mrexcess:
OF COURSE they don't want peace. Peace would require them to negotiate in good faith for the Palestinian territory, or come out looking bad in the international community. Better for them to continue to provoke small-scale Palestinian outrage attacks that they can blow completely out of proportion and use as an excuse to unilaterally take everything they want.

They had everything they wanted, and more. Look at a map of Israel from 1967 to 1982. They gave up land in exchange for peace. In the end, they got neither.
 
2006-04-04 10:12:04 AM  
mrexcess:

Again, putting words in my mouth. That's it, not talking to you anymore.

I said I wanted the terrorist infrastructure to be demolished and somehow your brain translated it as "Kill all the darkies!1"!1"

Well, it was nice discussing with you

Have a good day
 
2006-04-04 10:12:50 AM  
I'm just glad that Israel is in this fight on its own. I wouldn't want the United States to be viewed unfavorably by the Palenstinians or others in that part of the World. We have enough trouble with them already by trying to force Freedom on them.
 
2006-04-04 10:13:16 AM  
mrexcess: a) I know damn well it isn't raining
b) Aren't you out of piss right now?


CHRIST.

Israel. Palestine. Palestine used it's territories (which were given to Israel in the partition plan) to help enemies invade Israel in the Six Day War. Israel won the war.

ISRAEL WAS ATTACKED

How can that EVER be seen as "using force to gain territory"

They were defending themselves!
 
2006-04-04 10:13:24 AM  
Tatsuma
Again, putting words in my mouth. That's it, not talking to you anymore.

Whatever excuse suffices. You still haven't commented a single word on that harvard paper, and I know damn well you've read it by now. I'm not interested in talking to people who just want to score points for their team. I'm interested in intellectually honest discussion.
 
2006-04-04 10:14:34 AM  
BrotherAlpha
They had everything they wanted, and more. Look at a map of Israel from 1967 to 1982. They gave up land in exchange for peace. In the end, they got neither.

If you punch me and take my wallet, remove $100 from it, and offer me $25 back in exchange for not punching me again, you should not expect me to take the deal.
 
2006-04-04 10:14:50 AM  
mrexcess: Whatever excuse suffices. You still haven't commented a single word on that harvard paper, and I know damn well you've read it by now. I'm not interested in talking to people who just want to score points for their team. I'm interested in intellectually honest discussion.

I haven't read the paper yet.

I've got a job fulltime, I read torah 2 or 3 hours a day and I've got a sick mother I've got to take care of

I've got not time right now for a 40 pages "Study: The Jews control America" paper right now, I will read it in the future, but not just now

So you know better than me what I think, what I do and what I say?

Then discuss on your own and leave me alone.
 
2006-04-04 10:14:58 AM  
Tatsuma: It's not Godwin to talk to a relevant action that happened with the past

Noted. While technically true, invoking Hitler at all in such a conversation is like lighting a candle with a blowtorch.

Besides, most Muslims who came into contact with the Third Reich were Turks, not Arabs. There's a documentary out there with soldiers in fezzes emblazoned with the Nazi eagle.
 
2006-04-04 10:15:00 AM  
loki see loki do: There should be a manly Jewish beer called HeBrew.

There is, and it's good :)
 
2006-04-04 10:15:04 AM  
mrexcess: You misunderstand me.

Without the complete surrender of Israel, the Arab assholes will always have their own little Eurasia to use for their own purposes.

Without the complete subjugation of Palestine, the Israeli assholes will always be worried about someone trying to get in and steal their toys.

The only answer is complete and utter amalgamation. Nothing else will stop the fighting. There would still be problems, but they would be lesser, and at least everyone would be on the same side against the assholes.
 
2006-04-04 10:16:01 AM  
ceremony_1968: Noted. While technically true, invoking Hitler at all in such a conversation is like lighting a candle with a blowtorch.

no it's not.

It's not like lighting a candle with a blowtorch when you're talking about a deal between them and the nazis.
 
2006-04-04 10:16:07 AM  
mrexcess:
No we're not. If push comes to shove, the US can make Israel do whatever we want, because we're the only thing standing between Israel and annihilation. If we demanded, in no uncertain terms, that Israel return to its legally established borders and find a way to make peace with Palestine, they would have no choice.

You. Are. Wrong.

The second the U.S. stops giving money to Israel, Israel will wage a war of conquest on its neighbours because it knows it can win the stalemate. They will attack and defeat the countries around them until they conquer enough oil rich land to become self-sustaining.

And if they can't do that, they will use their nukes against Mecca. WWIII. End of story.
 
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