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(Guardian)   Hugo Chavez to fix oil prices at $50 a barrel. Exxon-Mobil last seen organizing a hit squad   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 351
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2006-04-03 08:51:02 PM  
Why don't we like this guy again?
 
2006-04-03 08:51:53 PM  
Hero indeed.
 
2006-04-03 09:00:41 PM  
Hehehehe. The headline says "peg"
 
2006-04-03 09:05:40 PM  
rppp01a: Why don't we like this guy again?

'cause he's denying proper god-fearing 'Murrican companies their rightful profits!
 
2006-04-03 09:07:16 PM  
Yay! Price-fixing is good for everyone. And my anus smells like mint.
 
2006-04-03 09:11:42 PM  
Because price-fixing always works.

You know, in bizarro-world.
 
2006-04-03 09:16:02 PM  
Juansmith: Because price-fixing always works.

My issue with your statement is the use of absolutes. 'Always' and 'Never' are absolutes that should not be used in terms of politics or economics or anything else for that matter.
 
2006-04-03 09:18:07 PM  
How 'bout the fact that every price-fixing incident I know of has resulted in farked-up economies and farked-up countries. Not absolute, just encompassing all currently-known situations.
 
2006-04-03 09:20:26 PM  
How about $25 a barrel? or $15? $5? He wants to hold it at $50 because he doesn't wanbt it to go below $40. If oil was $35 a barrel and he wanted to fix the price at $50 would he still be a hero?
 
2006-04-03 09:39:01 PM  
He's taking advantage of high prices now to help himself out if the price ever drops later.

I've never said he was stupid. I've always said he's an attention whore who gets his wang stroked by the western press on a regular basis.
 
2006-04-03 10:08:40 PM  
Why don't we like this guy again?

I think the same reason we still hate Castro: Because we can.
 
2006-04-03 10:19:40 PM  
if the price ever drops later.

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2006-04-03 10:26:56 PM  
rppp01a: Why don't we like this guy again?

Because he's a dictator who eliminates his opponents by force and wants most of us dead.

This is all just a brilliant political manuever to win over american and world support for his regime. Though it's well welcome and better than nuclear threats.

My only problem with him stems not from his political beliefs but his use of oppressive power to control political minorities.
 
2006-04-03 10:27:34 PM  
Juansmith: Because price-fixing always works.

With regards to utilities, yes, yes it does. Go read a little bit and you might find out that full-fleged 'free-markets' are not the panacea they've been portrayed as.

Deregulation of utilities has led to serious crisis in many states.
 
2006-04-03 10:32:23 PM  
Fancy arguments about politics dissolve in an instant at the prospect of cheap oil.
 
2006-04-03 10:50:17 PM  
I'm with Mr. Colbert on this one:

"You can't win our hearts and minds, Mr. Chavez."

("We'll trade them for Oil.")
 
2006-04-03 10:57:17 PM  
poorly run Deregulation of utilities has led to serious crisis in many states because they do not function as a free market
 
2006-04-03 11:06:15 PM  
According to US sources, Venezuela holds 90% of the world's extra heavy crude oil


INVADE INVADE INVADE INVADE
 
2006-04-03 11:31:22 PM  
rppp01a:

It rarely works. How about that?
 
2006-04-03 11:41:22 PM  
PhysicsJunky: Because he's a dictator who eliminates his opponents by force and wants most of us dead.

A democratically-elected "dictator"?
Chavez Defeats Recall Attempt

Monitors Endorse Venezuelan Vote; Margin Is Wide

President Hugo Chavez was declared the winner of a national recall referendum by a substantial margin on Monday, and said he had won a fresh mandate for the highly centralized, populist style of government that has stirred fierce opposition at home and irritated the Bush administration.


and there are plenty of Americans living in Venezuela without any problems. It's the Americans following Bush's orders to overthrow the Venezuelan government that he doesn't like so much.

Venezuela coup linked to Bush team


The failed coup in Venezuela was closely tied to senior officials in the US government, The Observer has established. They have long histories in the 'dirty wars' of the 1980s, and links to death squads working in Central America at that time.

Washington's involvement in the turbulent events that briefly removed left-wing leader Hugo Chavez from power last weekend resurrects fears about US ambitions in the hemisphere.
 
2006-04-03 11:53:36 PM  
Tigger: poorly run Deregulation of utilities has led to serious crisis in many states because they do not function as a free market

so you're saying it could have used some....regulation?
 
2006-04-04 12:17:59 AM  
Chavez hates America so much he gave us low-cost heating oil for poor Americans this winter. What a dick.

Bush and the Republicans hate Chavez because he won't sell Citgo to their oil cronies and keeps it as the state industry. Pure and simple.
 
2006-04-04 12:35:09 AM  
This makes too much sense all around to be purely political, other than in the "Of course, I expect to make a pile for my country instead of your current oil suppliers" sense. The Venezuelan oil industry needs a steady market for the rather expensive to produce heavy crude. So at current prices, he is offering an incentive.
 
2006-04-04 01:35:19 AM  
Juansmith: Because price-fixing always works.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
 
2006-04-04 01:35:57 AM  
if this guy is a hero, I'm farking Hugh Hefner
 
2006-04-04 01:38:08 AM  
Weasel3322: I'm farking Hugh Hefner

who hasn't.
 
2006-04-04 01:38:28 AM  
i like the idea
 
2006-04-04 01:39:11 AM  
moosen

argh. . . . that's it i quit the internet

/walks away
 
2006-04-04 01:39:17 AM  
Chavez is a communist. He nationalized industries in order to take assetes away from international compaines.

The ONLY reason venezuela hasn't spiraled into economic ruin under his rule is because the price of oil (in dollars) has skyrocketed since he took power.
 
2006-04-04 01:40:48 AM  
Yea, the dictator...

wait for him to "win" the next election, and we'll see if there's anymore elections while he is alive. It's pretty easy to win when there's nobody seriously running against you for fear of being killed.
 
2006-04-04 01:41:48 AM  
Chavez is crazy. And I mean like, mentally ill, sociopathic, Charles Manson crazy.
 
2006-04-04 01:42:31 AM  
Weasel3322: argh. . . . that's it i quit the internet

/walks away


i should be like Sheriff or something. just run a few people out of town once in a while.

/puts feet on desk
 
2006-04-04 01:42:45 AM  
You know, everyone claiming Chavez is some kind of cruel dictator ought to consider three things.

1. He has repeatedly come out on top in UN-certified democratic elections.

2. Durign the coup attempt by his opponents, the first actions of the "new" leaders were to dissolve parliament, cancel the constitution, and announce that they would be ruling by decree - in short, they made themselves dictators!


3. while there is a state-run media organ, it lacks a monopoly... commercial news and entertainment media abound
 
2006-04-04 01:43:18 AM  
If the Bushies don't like him, and the Christians don't like him, he must be a nice guy!
 
2006-04-04 01:43:32 AM  
Anyone who used the words "dictator" or "opressive" or "oppression" needs to brush up on their history of propagnda. Read some Noam Chomsky ('Media Control' and 'What Uncle Sam Really Wants' are excellent).

The only reason our government doesn't like Chavez is because he doesn't do their bidding and their attempts to overthrow/assassinate him have failed so far.

/waits for WMD's to 'appear' in Venezuela
//Only thing Venezuela is guilty of is having a bunch of cheating gamers
 
2006-04-04 01:44:12 AM  
Yall are idiots to think Chavez is a hero. Every intelligent Venezuelan I know (I live with 3) hates him. They kidnapped his parents because they were rich, they opposed his politics. Chavez's secret police hold people hostage all the time. Chavez is sitting on top of all the oil, money runs through his accounts and comes out on the skim side. He is much like the Tretyak in the movie "The Saint".
 
2006-04-04 01:44:27 AM  
Chavez follows a rich tradition of populist government in south america. Where has it gotten them so far?

The south american economies boom and bust along with global trends in commodity prices.
 
2006-04-04 01:45:54 AM  
altrocks

Noam Chomsky

Right, there's an unbiased, objective voice with no political interest to present anything other than the absolute truth.
 
2006-04-04 01:45:57 AM  
Seatown75
Like Argentina? ha
 
2006-04-04 01:46:27 AM  
im all for it but it wont happen, wanna know why? the bush administration just found evidence that Venezuela is harboring weapons of mass destruction.
 
2006-04-04 01:47:46 AM  
Chavez will be ousted in a violent coup as soon as the country's oil revenues no longer balance the budget.
 
2006-04-04 01:48:59 AM  
It's not price-fixing, it's more like a long-term business deal, or contract.
 
2006-04-04 01:49:19 AM  
IF it means that I dont have to pay $2.50/gallon here in Georgia (yes I know its higher where you live..yes.. YOU..the one who was about to write about how much higher it is where you live in an attempt to one-up me) then I really don't give a fark what methods he uses to govern HIS country. Actually, I really dont give a fark anyway if he uses strongarm tactics in Venezuela because its not the USA and therefore is not subject to how the USA operates. If you are not from/living in Venezuela then what business is it of yours how the politics of Venezuela are played out? Even if he is dirty, at least he's making up for the fact that he's dirty by trying to do something helpful.. by saving me at the gas pump every other day. We all know our government is probably the dirtiest in the world but when was the last time they wanted to quit lining their pockets to help us eh?
 
2006-04-04 01:49:47 AM  
andrew131 Like Argentina? ha

Argentina was one of the worlds richest countries a century ago.

What have you bought from Argentina lately?
 
2006-04-04 01:50:11 AM  
Yay! Chavez is a hero! He only wants peace and happiness for the world!

Methings that price-fixing is not the best way to deal with this whole oil thing.
 
2006-04-04 01:50:37 AM  
Another insidious use of the 'Hero' tag.
 
BX
2006-04-04 01:51:12 AM  
andrew131
Yall are idiots to think Chavez is a hero. Every intelligent Venezuelan I know (I live with 3) hates him. They kidnapped his parents because they were rich, they opposed his politics. Chavez's secret police hold people hostage all the time. Chavez is sitting on top of all the oil, money runs through his accounts and comes out on the skim side. He is much like the Tretyak in the movie "The Saint".


Your friends kidnapped Hugo Chavez's parents? And they have lots of money? That's despicable.
 
2006-04-04 01:51:19 AM  
Yall are idiots to think Bush is a hero. Every intelligent American I know (I live with 2) hates him. Bush's secret police hold people hostage all the time. Bush is sitting on top of all the oil, money runs through his accounts and comes out on the skim side. He is much like the Tretyak in the movie "The Saint".

Wow. Change the name and it still works. Thanks andrew!
 
2006-04-04 01:52:00 AM  
"only become economic to operate with the oil price at about $40 a barrel"

Ta-da. $50 a barrel for the kind of oil Venezuela's got is too much. It might not be in a few years, which is why the price-fixing is nice, but for now, no way.
 
2006-04-04 01:53:21 AM  
darki

Just because Bush hates Chavez is no reaon to like him.

I can't stand either of them, but for different reasons.
 
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