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(Rapid City Journal)   South Dakota Indian tribe plans abortion clinic on their reservation. State's taliban legislators shocked to find out there's not a thing they can do about it   ( rapidcityjournal.com) divider line
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2006-03-25 01:20:28 PM  
Those "taliban legislators" probably always knew this would happen, and they'd have somewhere to send their daughters in time of need.
 
2006-03-25 01:20:32 PM  
Yep. Rez's are federal.
 
2006-03-25 01:21:25 PM  
someone missing img487.imageshack.us

nice to see someone pro-choice take some action to remindthe fundies that they can not impose thier morality on everyone
 
2006-03-25 01:22:26 PM  
Hope this doesn't sound racist, but if I wanted any sort of surgery or invasive medical treatment, much less an abortion, one of the last places I'd want to go is a clinic on an Indian reservation.
 
2006-03-25 01:28:16 PM  
Ha! I love it!

One of the few times where a "Suck it!" headline would be appropriate.
 
2006-03-25 01:28:52 PM  
sounds like a job for ...

img125.imageshack.us
 
2006-03-25 01:34:09 PM  
An abortion clinic/casino combo would be great for couples!

Aisle seat, please.
 
2006-03-25 01:42:36 PM  
University of South Dakota law professor Frank Pommersheim, an expert in Indian law, agreed that Fire Thunders proposal was potentially workable especially if doctors were Indians and if the clinic were on Indian trust land.

I think they should give all the women blankets as a free gift.

/obscure?
//Oh yeah, going to hell for that one. No doubt.
 
2006-03-25 01:44:31 PM  
No, on a reservation, it's called "maize".
 
2006-03-25 01:45:22 PM  
Weaver95: I think they should give all the women blankets as a free gift.

Heh.
 
2006-03-25 01:47:25 PM  
jestme: Those "taliban legislators" probably always knew this would happen, and they'd have somewhere to send their daughters in time of need.

They were already planning on taking care of their own. Senator Napoli's idea of someone who should still be allowed to get an abortion is as follows: "A real-life description to me would be a rape victim, brutally raped, savaged. The girl was a virgin. She was religious. She planned on saving her virginity until she was married. She was brutalized and raped, sodomized as bad as you can possibly make it, and is impregnated. I mean, that girl could be so messed up, physically and psychologically, that carrying that child could very well threaten her life."

Everyone who is raped is brutalized, so the second part is really irrelevant. The part that counts is, of course, the religious virgin part.
 
2006-03-25 02:02:04 PM  
Yes, a great way to get your point across to the other side is by labeling them "taliban".

Good jorb!
 
2006-03-25 02:02:36 PM  
Weaver95: /obscure?

Nope, I don't think so. Going to hell? YES.
 
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2006-03-25 02:07:03 PM  
Those "taliban legislators" probably always knew this would happen, and they'd have somewhere to send their daughters in time of need.
Eh, its called Minnesota.
 
2006-03-25 02:09:22 PM  
RyoShin: Yes, a great way to get your point across to the other side is by labeling them "taliban".

Somehow I don't think submitter was trying to convert South Dakota's legislators.
 
2006-03-25 02:13:19 PM  
Hope this doesn't sound racist, but if I wanted any sort of surgery or invasive medical treatment, much less an abortion, one of the last places I'd want to go is a clinic on an Indian reservation.

A cousin of mine did his residency on several reservations as a way to pay for medical school. He still visits the clinics several times a month for free. He also pays for a lot of equipment and supplies for the clinics. Because we all know how well the federal government has lived up to its treaty obligations with Native American tribes.
 
2006-03-25 02:16:08 PM  
The CraneMeister: Hope this doesn't sound racist, but if I wanted any sort of surgery or invasive medical treatment, much less an abortion, one of the last places I'd want to go is a clinic on an Indian reservation.

It beats a DIY coathanger or back-alley.
 
2006-03-25 02:33:41 PM  
The taliban label is appropriate. These are lawmakers that write religious doctrine into law, much like the taliban and other "religious nationalist" political groups.
 
2006-03-25 02:55:16 PM  
that is the worst place you could go for medicine. there is no recourse for you if they screw up. you can't sue them, or hold them accountable for anything.
 
2006-03-25 03:01:25 PM  
speedballtucker: She was brutalized and raped, sodomized as bad as you can possibly make it, and is impregnated.

Sodomy leads to pregnancy now?
 
2006-03-25 03:06:07 PM  
Calvin Hobbes: Sodomy leads to pregnancy now?

Where do you think lawyers come from?
 
2006-03-25 03:07:57 PM  
Zing!
 
2006-03-25 03:08:16 PM  
Calvin Hobbes: Sodomy leads to pregnancy now?

Only if done right.
 
2006-03-25 03:11:54 PM  
ScreamingInDigital: Where do you think lawyers come from?

DAMN.

That's just WRONG.
 
2006-03-25 03:15:36 PM  
"Where do you think lawyers come from?"

omg.. ahahahaha that is pure f'ing genius.


back on topic. good to see this is going to happen. ahaha suck it pro choicers!
 
2006-03-25 03:16:34 PM  
and by "choicers" i meant "lifers"

i'll go own myself in the corner. kthx. bye
 
2006-03-25 03:36:30 PM  
MorningBreath: that is the worst place you could go for medicine. there is no recourse for you if they screw up. you can't sue them, or hold them accountable for anything.

But they'd be screwing up an abortion, so the end result is... no, no I'm not going to go there. I'm stopping right here.
 
2006-03-25 03:39:33 PM  
that is the worst place you could go for medicine. there is no recourse for you if they screw up. you can't sue them, or hold them accountable for anything.

now that's a very interesting point. I wonder which would cause more professional angst among lawyers - screwing over a fellow ambulance chaser out of a chance at a lawsuit or screwing over a bunch of pro-lifers by finding a way of making abortions legally available despite legislation to the contrary?
 
2006-03-25 03:52:32 PM  
Weaver95: screwing over a bunch of pro-lifers by finding a way of making abortions legally available despite legislation to the contrary?

What legislation makes it illegal to perform an abortion on indian reservations? The state laws don't apply to them.
 
2006-03-25 03:56:18 PM  
What legislation makes it illegal to perform an abortion on indian reservations? The state laws don't apply to them.


Go back and read it again. I think you missed my point.
 
2006-03-25 03:58:16 PM  
Greg Rebellion

An abortion clinic/casino combo would be great for couples!

Are you suggesting Blackjack tables with stirrups?
 
2006-03-25 04:09:07 PM  
Good for them.
But eek...IHS is teh suck.
 
2006-03-25 04:36:32 PM  
Dammit, first they hog ALL the land, then they massacre Custer while he was delivering ice cream to orphans and kittens, and now they are providing abortions on demand. One day the red man will pay for his sins against the United States.
 
2006-03-25 06:23:27 PM  
This will be quite interesting.

Good for them (the tribe)
 
2006-03-25 06:26:12 PM  
The simple fact that this got a "Hero" tag and the thread has not completely exploded into a thermonuclear flame war yet staggers my mind. I'm so dissapointed in you all.
 
2006-03-25 06:27:12 PM  
Fire Thunder? Holy hell what a cool name! Forget the tired old abortion debate (both sides can go fornicate themselves with an iron stick as far as I'm concerned). I want to hear more about someone named Fire Thunder.

FIRE THUNDER!
 
2006-03-25 06:27:39 PM  
Rick, I am Shocked, Shocked! To find out that abortions are taking place in this establishment!
 
2006-03-25 06:28:01 PM  
Indian reservations like a whole other country...literally.
 
2006-03-25 06:28:13 PM  
Goodnight, funny fetuses!
 
2006-03-25 06:29:08 PM  
They really need to start leveraging that sovereignty angle more.
 
2006-03-25 06:29:51 PM  
MorningBreath: that is the worst place you could go for medicine. there is no recourse for you if they screw up. you can't sue them, or hold them accountable for anything.

You could give them a Wounded Knee!

/taking the express lane.
 
2006-03-25 06:30:48 PM  
...And SockMonkeyHolocaust wins another thread.
 
2006-03-25 06:30:51 PM  
I took an American Indian Law class last semester.

Eye-opening to say the least.

They're sovereign, so technically they are there own nation. The jurisdiction problem is a nightmare.

Basically three authorities are in charge at the same time:
-Federal
-State
-Tribal

It will be interesting to see how this pans out.
 
2006-03-25 06:31:30 PM  
Clearly these Indians hate America, and if I could, I'd send them right back to whatever Godless heathen country they came from.
 
2006-03-25 06:31:55 PM  
Calvin Hobbes: Sodomy leads to pregnancy now?

yer a mother farker.
 
2006-03-25 06:33:28 PM  
SockMonkeyHolocaust said,

"Dammit, first they hog ALL the land, then they massacre Custer while he was delivering ice cream to orphans and kittens..."

Damn, that was beautiful.

Revisionist historians:
Take note, this is how it's done.
 
2006-03-25 06:33:38 PM  
Great. There goes the treaty and here comes the calvary. Or maybe the Second Armored. My native friends, whatever you think, those beads just aren't worth that much. Not even to hippies.

/que "Second Little Big Horn" attack ads in 3..2..1
 
2006-03-25 06:34:07 PM  
bah haha, just wait until the federal government bans abortion, injuns won't have any way to keep that clinic running
 
2006-03-25 06:34:52 PM  
Hope this doesn't sound racist, but if I wanted any sort of surgery or invasive medical treatment, much less an abortion, one of the last places I'd want to go is a clinic on an Indian reservation.

Abortions are actually among the safest of outpatient procedures. Very low incidence rate of complication.
 
2006-03-25 06:35:16 PM  
I'm pro-abortion, because i hate people.
 
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