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2006-03-24 03:59:50 PM  
WayToBlue - Ahh, the realist christian, there's an oxymoron for you.

They just got Old Testament on his ass.
 
2006-03-24 04:00:18 PM  
2006-03-24 03:42:28 PM SpongeBlob_HairPants

Waaaahhh SpongeBlob_HairPants is being persecuted!

Waaaaaaah!
 
2006-03-24 04:01:48 PM  
I think we should return to the days of heads on a pike, left out front to deter n'er-do-wells.

/ ya rly
 
2006-03-24 04:02:02 PM  
those awful christians! Defending their property! What were they thinking? Good christians should just roll over and take it up the ass.

In reality, thats what Christ told us to do... turn the other cheek, if a man wants your coat give him your shirt as well.

If more Christians were to actually follow His instructions Christians would be known as a meek, humble, tolorant and giving group of people.
 
2006-03-24 04:02:08 PM  
stirfrybry Good christians should just roll over and take it up the ass.

No, good Christians entrust God to balance the scales of justice, rather than taking it on themselves.

Romans 12:19 "Vengeance in Mine; I will repay, says the Lord."
 
2006-03-24 04:02:46 PM  
SpongeBlob_HairPants: Jesus went postal at the Temple

He didnt go "postal" he had some harsh words for the money changers and he flipped over a table according to the translation. Some people have the idea that he beat up a bunch of people and threw them out like a bouncer and that is not what happened.
 
2006-03-24 04:03:17 PM  
stirfrybry - Good christians should just roll over and take it up the ass.

No, just good alter boys.
 
2006-03-24 04:04:23 PM  
Perhaps they should have used this instead:

www.fas.org

A hammer pair and a followup shot to the head could have solved the problem real quick.
 
2006-03-24 04:06:15 PM  
I love it. They do what any of us would do and the asshole farkers call them bad christians. If they did nothing, the assholes would call them stupid. Face it farkers. You hate christians. You don't even try to hide it. Why do you get defensive when it's pointed out? You crack me up.
/I aint religious either, so save it.
 
2006-03-24 04:06:32 PM  
Headso Some people have the idea that he beat up a bunch of people and threw them out like a bouncer and that is not what happened.

He made a whip and drove them out, but I'm sure you're right in that He was in control of Himself. I digress, "postal" was a bad description. Thanks for pointing that out.
 
2006-03-24 04:07:34 PM  
ah! dumb, assumptive comments from both sides of the fence. :) i love fark.
 
2006-03-24 04:07:36 PM  
I love it. They do what any of us would do and the asshole farkers call them bad christians. If they did nothing, the assholes would call them stupid. Face it farkers. You hate christians. You don't even try to hide it. Why do you get defensive when it's pointed out? You crack me up.

Most Farkers just enjoy jumping on any "Bash the x" bandwagon. I dont think they have it in for Christians in particular, and I have been around a long time.
 
2006-03-24 04:10:14 PM  
I don't care who you are, when someone breaks into your place you have an obligation to beat their ass.

/just sayin'
 
2006-03-24 04:10:59 PM  
BobtheFascist: alter boys.

So are we talking about a sex-change operation here?
 
2006-03-24 04:11:04 PM  
Headso

They have computers and such to run their day-to-day affairs. Computers are of value. Obviously, there's gotta be something worth stealing inside a church because this is not an isolated incident.

SpongeBlob_HairPants, jst3p

I suppose it all depends on how literally you interpret Jesus' words. I beleive he was teaching his followers to be selfless. If this was a needy guy (and the story gives no indication if he is or not), then the church should feed him and perhaps house him(if it could be done safely) both things churches do routinely for needy people. But to suggest that churches should be ok with anyone just waltzing and stealing whatever to the detriment of the church is far too literal of an interpretation for me and defies all common sense. Who wants to give to a church that isn't going to try and protect the donation and see to it that it gets used properly? I don't think Jesus intended the church offering to be a piggy bank for theives and robbers. What if all churches adopted this philosophy of "well if you really need to steal from us then so be it." would there be any churches left? Those are Jesus' words but things must be placed in context. Just my $0.02.
 
2006-03-24 04:11:59 PM  

I don't care who you are, when someone breaks into your place you have an obligation to beat their ass.


Unless you claim to have a belief system that demands you dont...

/just sayin
 
2006-03-24 04:13:14 PM  
2006-03-24 04:11:04 PM Kanyon


On another note, it would be nice if the Vatican stopped collecting for a while and spent some of their riches on the poor... ;)
 
2006-03-24 04:13:21 PM  
SpongeBlob_HairPants: Yes Christians fark up, they're people - imperfect people - hence the need for salvation.


And riduicule.
 
2006-03-24 04:13:45 PM  
Kanyon But to suggest that churches should be ok with anyone just waltzing and stealing whatever to the detriment of the church is far too literal of an interpretation for me and defies all common sense. Who wants to give to a church that isn't going to try and protect the donation and see to it that it gets used properly?

So get some locks or an alarm and if you really feel it appropriate, catch him in the act. Beating him is going too far.

/my two cents
 
2006-03-24 04:14:15 PM  
2006-03-24 04:13:21 PM MWeather

There is ALWAYS room for ridicule!
 
2006-03-24 04:14:26 PM  
stirfrybry

I love it. They do what any of us would do and the asshole farkers call them bad christians.

They certainly did what I would have done, but then I'm not purporting to follow a "higher" moral code.

If they did nothing, the assholes would call them stupid.

Ya, that must be why everyone says how dumb jesus was, and all the hate that buddhists get for their whole peace and tranquility crap.

Face it farkers. You hate christians. You don't even try to hide it. Why do you get defensive when it's pointed out? You crack me up.

We hate hypocrites, especially those who try to make their religious dogma into law. Sadly, most (but not all) religions are full of them.
 
2006-03-24 04:14:26 PM  
Kanyon: Obviously, there's gotta be something worth stealing inside a church because this is not an isolated incident.

There certainly is valuable stuff in alot of churches, gold tabernacles, silver candle sticks, very ornate chalices, expensive artwork, the list goes on. Just because a lot of churches display all that wealth doesn't make it right.
 
2006-03-24 04:14:28 PM  
Look, how many Christians do you know that abide by scripture literally in every context?

Like I said, that guy had an assbeating just waiting for him.
 
2006-03-24 04:15:02 PM  
I love the whole "I hate Christians because they're all judgmental and narrowminded" attitude. Pot and the kettle, pot and the kettle....
 
2006-03-24 04:15:08 PM  
ut to suggest that churches should be ok with anyone just waltzing and stealing whatever to the detriment of the church is far too literal of an interpretation for me and defies all common sense.

So does turning the other cheak so that the guy that just hit me can get another shot at the fresh one, but that's what we were instructed to do. "Common sense" is of the world. We are to live in the world but not of it.



Who wants to give to a church that isn't going to try and protect the donation and see to it that it gets used properly?


Why is the church holding on to that donation to begin with? It should go to pay the employees and then back out to the community. As was said, churches shouldn't be building up vaults of valuables.
 
2006-03-24 04:15:08 PM  
LordPomposity

Huh?
 
2006-03-24 04:15:15 PM  
2006-03-24 04:13:45 PM SpongeBlob_HairPants

Well, they must be from another denomination than you.

Heathen!
 
2006-03-24 04:17:28 PM  
Oh, and also, even if someone's breaking in to steal stuff, you can't be too sure of what they're going to do when confronted. Personally, I'd rather not be on the receiving end of the stomping so.. oh what the hell maybe they shouldn't have beat him--but I would've.
 
2006-03-24 04:21:31 PM  
jst3p
Unless you claim to have a belief system that demands you dont...



What are you talking about? Christians have historically been pretty darn violent.

Heck...I am right here in the bible belt and most of them who haven't been fed with a silver spoon get rather excited when the topic of arse woopin comes up.
 
2006-03-24 04:25:04 PM  
I_Like_Pie Christians have historically been pretty darn violent.

Yes indeed. The Crusades were a freakin' travesty, for example, but that is not the meaning of being a Christian - Christians in essence follow the golden rule. Anything else is not based on real faith.

I have to go feed my peeps now. It's been real.
 
2006-03-24 04:25:59 PM  
What happened to the Kinder Gentler Christian movement?

quinnell.us
...Oh yeah, that was only in the movie Dogma. heh.

/monlysayin!
 
2006-03-24 04:26:45 PM  
SpongeBlob_HairPants: Why doesnt' Fark just adopt a WE HATE GOD tag and be honest about their intolerance/bias toward Christians? Yes Christians fark up, they're people - imperfect people - hence the need for salvation.

Seriously people... Being an agnostic, Hindu myself... get off the xians back... it's the religion that's the piece of shyt (and a good amount of it's followers)... but not all the followers... I mean, can't you just be glad that they weren't the 2nd amendment loving kind?

/or a rapper?
 
2006-03-24 04:28:05 PM  
For the record I do hate christians and anyone else that thinks people can die and come back to life or that my existence is divine. This is because I'm firmly convinced you bastards are keeping us out of space and stuck here on this damn rock! Quit holding me back, you're like a rotary phone in an emergency.
 
2006-03-24 04:28:17 PM  
Rhodekyll

Oh, and also, even if someone's breaking in to steal stuff, you can't be too sure of what they're going to do when confronted. Personally, I'd rather not be on the receiving end of the stomping

Ah yes the "pre-emptive strike" school of christianity, made popular in recent times by our president.
 
2006-03-24 04:28:53 PM  
If people had broken into my synagogue several times, I'd stay there overnight with a baseball bat too. Of course, I've got the Old Testament wrath on my side.

Defending their church does not make them hypocrites.
 
2006-03-24 04:31:46 PM  
werre: Defending their church does not make them hypocrites.

For defending it, no. for having anything worth stealing in the first place, yes.
 
2006-03-24 04:44:27 PM  
werre
For defending it, no. for having anything worth stealing in the first place, yes.
Most of you haven't stepped into a church recently have you?

Modern churches have all sorts of valuable stuff in them. LCD projectors for the songs, computers, equipment for nurseries, kitchens. They have anything a business would have.

----

I believe that most of you get angry when you simply see the word "Christian." You really do hate them like they are sub-human. You think they are all sheep willing to jump off a cliff due to their stupidity.

You people want everyone to be equal, but at the same time show such hatred towards a group of people that literally founded the society that partially determined your own cushy situation.
 
2006-03-24 04:45:42 PM  
For defending it, no. for having anything worth stealing in the first place, yes.

I've never heard that Xtans are supposed to be void of possesions.
 
2006-03-24 04:47:15 PM  
They have anything a business would have.


Heh, I think that is kinda the problem.
 
2006-03-24 04:47:55 PM  
American Christians...non-stop making Jesus roll in his gra....er...um...well, you know what I mean.
 
2006-03-24 04:47:59 PM  
Headso
"For defending it, no. for having anything worth stealing in the first place, yes."

As already mentioned, churches have computers and printers to run the day-to-day business of the church, AV equipment for services and classes, etc. Do you really expect a church to be without any assets at all?

To grow any organization, you have to invest in it. A church with a solid infrastructure will be able to raise and contribute more money for a longer period of time to charitable causes than a small church that continuously spends everything it takes in without building a solid infrastructure.

For example, say you had a million dollars you wanted to use for charitable purposes. You could give that million directly to needy people and be done with it or you could use that million to start a foundation to raise additional funds and provide for more people over a longer time period. Which one is farther reaching? Which one is more Christian?
 
2006-03-24 04:52:46 PM  
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OWNED!
 
2006-03-24 04:54:13 PM  

To grow any organization, you have to invest in it. A church with a solid infrastructure will be able to raise and contribute more money for a longer period of time to charitable causes than a small church that continuously spends everything it takes in without building a solid infrastructure.


The small church I am in now has been far more efficent in giving back to the community than any large church I was affiliated with.


For example, say you had a million dollars you wanted to use for charitable purposes. You could give that million directly to needy people and be done with it or you could use that million to start a foundation to raise additional funds and provide for more people over a longer time period. Which one is farther reaching? Which one is more Christian?


The large organization is going to have more overhead, dollar for dollar more money gets back to the community in a smaller church. I would say that it is more Christlike.
 
2006-03-24 04:54:55 PM  
Good one, WayToBlue.

Thanks but I reserve the right to beat the crap out of anyone who intrudes into my house. This is not actually pre-emptive strike, if the person is already in my home. This is self-defense. And also, I'm agnostic.
 
2006-03-24 04:56:45 PM  
jst3p
"They have anything a business would have."
"Heh, I think that is kinda the problem."


In some ways I agree with you. I have a hard time agreeing with some TV evangelist who buys a jet or million dollar home with church money. However, I am all for churches using technology. I like that I can get an annual report printed out to see how my church uses my donations. Accountability is a good thing. I like that the person with a teething, screaming kid can sit outside the church sanctuary in comfortable seats and still hear the message and watch through plexiglass without the child distracting everyone else. We live in a technological society. It would be silly to pretend otherwise and not take advantage of it.
 
2006-03-24 04:58:16 PM  
Headso: For defending it, no. for having anything worth stealing in the first place, yes.


Besides, depending on what neighborhood you're in, anything could be worth stealing. Anyways, Churches have a right to buy what they buy to help their patrons worship. Usually these things can be donated or bought with donations, etc. This includes TVs, speaker systems, LCD projectors, computers, sound boards, wiring, chairs, stages, etc. Some churches are very large and wouldn't function well without these.
 
2006-03-24 05:00:31 PM  
Nabob

I agree that it is good to take advantage of technology, I was pointing out that more and more churches are businesses and that is a disturbing trend.

Our church has a laptop and a speaker in the nursery. If anything were stolen it would be a setback but I bet someone from within the church would be able to replace it.

Too many Churches care too much about "stuff", but I think that it is required in order to draw people in our society.
 
2006-03-24 05:03:50 PM  
I_Like_Pie

"a group of people that literally founded the society that partially determined your own cushy situation."

Yeah, the shiaty parts of it. Like you. And the anchor your kind (oh yes i did) places on human progress.
 
2006-03-24 05:05:13 PM  
my laughs to the The Southern Dandy
 
2006-03-24 05:05:52 PM  
The large organization is going to have more overhead, dollar for dollar more money gets back to the community in a smaller church. I would say that it is more Christlike.

If you have lots of small organizations, the overhead is just compounded. Also, large organizations are better able to react to a huge catastrophe efficiently than smaller ones since they have a better infrastructure in place. One large, coordinated response to a problem is better than a thousand smaller uncoordinated responses.

Anyhow, there is value to both. I agree that many churches are excessive in their assets and many huge churches consume all their resources sustaining their own existence; however, there are also large churches doing a great job of minimizing overhead in their charitable arms.
 
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