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2006-03-23 08:51:19 AM  
The best experience I ever had in college was candy flipping with a speed-based pill and some mild acid.

The next best experience was rolling with a mescaline (sp?) based pill. Mind trips are fun.

Then, of course, was all the glorious pot smoking.

//don't do that sort of thing any more.
//would smoke pot on occasion if it were legal.
///might smoke it anyway...
 
2006-03-23 09:11:19 AM  
What a wank fest. The "users" the rereferenced ranged from a few times a year to OVER 200 times a year. Are these really the same group in the minds of these "researchers".

To put it in perspective, what if they lumped anyone who got drunk between 3 and 200 times in a year? Getting drunk 200 times a year makes you an alcoholic (except in college!), where as getting drunk 3 times a year makes you pretty freakin sober.

Nothing to see here. No science content. Move along.... move along...
 
2006-03-23 09:13:37 AM  
On looking over the article I noted something, a lot of this information is the same crap shown in the original study that made a similar claim. The same original study that was proven to be bogus because the test materials shipped from the FDA were later found out to be PURE crystal meth and had no X in them at all. It seems that the labs had been shipped the wrong samples by, Ahem, accident. Still going for that shock and awe thing eh guys? Face it, your war on drugs is a much bigger failure than your war for oil, er, I mean on terrorism. In fact all types of drugs are cheaper, stronger and more plentifal than they've ever been. Especially the really nasty ones like heroin. Seriously George, take that straw made from an iraqi infant's thigh bone out of your nose and get a clue, you're only making things worse.
 
2006-03-23 09:20:46 AM  
Sorry, getting old has killed my memory more than any drug. Can I quit that somehow?
 
2006-03-23 09:22:18 AM  
When I was 21, it was a very good year.
It was a very good year
for country girls
who liked getting licked in the lap
by a hopped-up x-head named brap,
it was a very good year.
 
2006-03-23 09:37:55 AM  
There have been over 400 clinical studies that have proven that heavy drug use, heavy alcohol consumption reduces the amount of SLOW brain cells.

Think about that for a minute, if you could eliminate the SLOW brain cells, wouldnt you do that in a minute? Then you have only the fast ones left. I'll drink to that!
 
2006-03-23 09:52:58 AM  
patronsipper That shiat put's holes in your brain ! My friend tried it and she had a headache for a week

Ummm, are you aware that heaches are not from the brain hurting?

Your logic gives me a headache, and by your logic that means it put holes in my brain.
 
2006-03-23 09:54:39 AM  
The only point I'll make is that the ANTI-drug crusaders do themselves a disservice when they pull out weak, unsupported claims about some of the less-damaging drugs like E.

All the people trumpeting STUPID ASS shiat like "One E pill will kill you." or "E is laced with heroin." are doing more to encourage young kids to try more and harder drugs.
Here's how:
Kid tries E.
Kid doesn't die - or get instantly stupid.
Kid reads about "One E can kill you." and "E makes you instantly stupid."
Kid realizes that most reports on drugs are useless, non-fact-based propaganda.
Kid reads report about how heroin (or meth) ruins lives.
Kid dismisses this as propaganda. (Even though that one is true)
Kid does heroin / meth.
Kid winds up in rehab 3 years later after a stint on the street.

If people would give honest answers and do non-biased studies about all drugs, people could make better informed decisions.

E does mess with your brain a bit... just like alcohol does. Anyone who uses them will tell you that (if they are being honest). But in moderation - you won't see any effects lasting past 3-4 days.

The scare tactics do nothing other than erode the credibility of the source.
 
2006-03-23 09:55:55 AM  
Highroller48 I work in a club, (are you getting a kick out of these replies?) and at LEAST once a week I have to call an Ambulance and do (sometimes critical) first aid on some friggin' idiot who's been doing E.

Although I am sure your club credentials are almost as good as a medical degree, I would like to remind you that virtually all emergency medical assistance for "E" is for dehydration, over exertion, or a physical accident. (Making E comparable to running or hiking).

thanks for playing.
 
2006-03-23 10:05:08 AM  
phillyguy1547 That is also why the DARE program is now widely belived to do more harm than good.

These DARE cops come in and make some crazy claims about drugs making you stupid and slow. Then the kids look around and see smart kids and jocks doing drugs and handling life just fine.

These kid end up distrusting cops, authority, and all anti-drugs "facts" whether or not they happen to be true.

Lying to kids is a bad idea. Kids are MUCH smarter than most adult realize.

If you tell a room full of kids that pot makes you dumb when they all know the "smartest kid in the class" smokes pot, you just toss your credibility out the window along with the credibility of your message.

I am not saying kids should do drugs, but DARE and bogus studies do more harm than good.
 
2006-03-23 10:05:42 AM  
YouDidNotSpitTakeOnYourKeyboardSoShutUp
If your gonna post something trying to look smart on a public forum at least try not to get your information out of a crackerjack box, it's guaranteed that your rampant ignorance will get exposed in very short order.

First off, MDMA is a type of amphetamine which works on the dopamine and norepinephrine uptake in your brain, not from hydrogen peroxide voodoo horseshiat.

Second, even if it was as you described it, the generation of H202 in your cells is allready a compensated factor. Peroxide is a biproduct of some of the redox reactions of aerobic metabolism, which is why most of the cells in your body have peroxisomes to store and decompose peroxide with either catalase or peroxidase. In otherwords, the natural formation of hydrogen peroxide in your tissues isn't even something to write home about, much less chicken little out on teh intraweb.

HA []:D} HA
All your O-chem is belong to me!
 
2006-03-23 10:10:46 AM  
Tainted1 You might want to tone down the hostility level just a little until you get your sarcasm meter adjusted.

/Hint: he was kidding about bleaching the hair in your brain
 
2006-03-23 10:13:23 AM  
I'm didn't have time to read every post so I'm not sure if someone already posted this or not. Peter Jennings did a great report on ABC a couple years ago called "Ecstasy Rising" Check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/w/Ecstasy-Rising?v=aAEauEQEwzQ

I think the documentary says more good things about ecstasy then bad.
 
2006-03-23 10:22:35 AM  
i tried ecstasy once, and it was cut with speed, it was horrid, i was grinding my teeth for months. never will do it again, pot is much better
 
2006-03-23 10:33:54 AM  
lethalwan i was grinding my teeth for months

Riiiiiight. For months you say? Ecstasy and Meth are gone from the body well before that. Teeth grinding, if you suffer from it, should stop within about 12 hours.

You sir are exaggerating massively or have some tooth-grindy medical condition.
 
2006-03-23 10:39:32 AM  
Nooo man... it's true....

I smoked pot once. I ran over a kid on a tricycle, raped white women, lost the urge to live, and went on to use hard drugs like shootin heroin in my eyeballs and snorting lines of ant poision. And that was all before lunch the same day!

Ahhh..... but it was a fun farkin day.......
 
2006-03-23 10:39:53 AM  
Pot, Pot, Psilocybin,
THC I love imbibin'
Gateway drugs? I dont think so,
10 years plus, let the pot smoke flow!

/Trusts natural pharms only (if you cant grow it with cow shiat, its not going in my body!)
 
2006-03-23 10:52:01 AM  
Having been born in the 60s I never trust what the govt. has to say about drugs.

I had no particular bias against X when I first encountered it. I tried it twice and did not enjoy it. My friends had a blast. However, some of these freinds really got into it and I helplessly watched as their brains dissolved over the course of a few months.

One guy in particular was really a sad case. He just did it every weekend and went from being smart, funny and productive to being a paranoid gibbering mess who couldn't remember a conversation we'd had the day before. We tried to get him to quit taking it but he's was too far gone.

X is a scary drug as far as I'm concerned and I would never ever do it again.

Nature has provided us lots of drugs. There's no need for us to invent new chemicals to get farked up with.
 
2006-03-23 11:06:44 AM  
highroller48 is cop, man!


It all makes sense now...the hostility toward young people, irrational fear of mind expanding substances..he's the Man, man.


/Set and Setting
//have we forgotten Timothy?
///http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_and_setting
////No skillz to pop it. sorry
 
2006-03-23 11:29:17 AM  
The EZ Solution to the Drug Problem:

Legalize all drugs

Ban emergency services for OD's
 
2006-03-23 11:31:44 AM  
thejeff001
Not since 1999, and only for 2 years. Too many bitter, disillusioned people among my colleagues for my taste.

Leviathanial
Having never worked in, nor lived in, America, it's unlikely I ever got a paycheck from Uncle Sam, but thanks for play....err...trolling.

Lars The Canadian Viking
I can certainly see you pint, but I would still maintain that users only THINK the positives outweigh the negatives because, by the very fact of BEING users, they lack a proper perspective on their own habits.
 
2006-03-23 11:37:04 AM  
I don't understand why people automatically assume natural = better.

Tuberculosis is natural, but I sure as hell don't want it.
 
2006-03-23 11:37:29 AM  
Contrabulous Flabtraption

Better solution, legalise, tax to hell, keep the emergency services.

WTF is your problem with wishing people dead?
Shall we deny emergency services to the overweight?
Shall we deny emergency services to Smokers?
Drinkers?
Those that don't exercise enough?
Where do we stop asshole?
 
2006-03-23 11:42:02 AM  
Godwin I like how there's a whole FARK druggy hierarchy.

At the top...


You forgot the people who come in and make broad assumptions about people they don't know.

You're right, it is rather amusing.
 
2006-03-23 11:46:15 AM  
Quick, tell me what drug kills you if taken in moderation and responsibly.. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
 
2006-03-23 11:48:00 AM  
SuperIntelligent_Shade_of_Blue

Cyanide? Errr.... I guess it would be difficult to take it responsibly though.
 
2006-03-23 11:52:15 AM  
Robert Heinlein and long nights spent doing tabs with a few close friends changed my life for the better. It set me on a path of questioning entrenched moral values and appreciating more fully the humans I share this planet with.

Went thru a period of heavy use for a few months there but had the sense to know when enough was enough. Switched to occasional use (maybe 3 times a year at most) and after a while didn't see much point in it anymore. It's still fun, I've just got other things I'd rather spend my money on now. Still wouldn't trade those experiences for anything.

/my .02
 
2006-03-23 11:57:44 AM  
I did X a few times back in college (I think 3 times). Had a terrific experience and learned things about myself that I never would have known otherwise. If anything it brought me out of the cycle of depression I had been in since my grandfather died. I did notice for a year or two afterwards that I seemed to have a little more trouble concentrating or remembering small stuff but nothing that was too worrisome, nowadays the sheer boredom I experience everyday at work has a much more dramatic effect on concentration & memory than the drug ever did. Overall I don't regret it but at the same time I'm not shocked at the results of the study. I had some other friends at the time who would take 5-6 pills a night almost every weekend and they were just stupid most of the time. Alcohol & the very occasional hit on a joint are about as far as I go anymore though I must say shrooms do sound tempting sometimes.
 
2006-03-23 12:00:37 PM  
Gothnet: Better solution, legalise, tax to hell, keep the emergency services.

WTF is your problem with wishing people dead?
Shall we deny emergency services to the overweight?
Shall we deny emergency services to Smokers?
Drinkers?
Those that don't exercise enough?
Where do we stop asshole?


Oh, get over yourself. Farkers wish death on others all the time. Just read a thread about Christians - half of you repeatedly and expilcitly wish death on millions of them.

/lay off the drugs, Gothnet.
 
2006-03-23 12:06:31 PM  
Drugs aren't bad. Drugs aren't dangerous or evil in and of themselves.

Ignorant, irresponsible, and frivolous people using them are. And it's not difficult to be ignorant of the real facts about drugs in our irresponsible and frivolous culture.
 
2006-03-23 12:10:06 PM  
KidneyStone That is a tongue ring, moran.
 
2006-03-23 12:11:58 PM  
:P
 
2006-03-23 12:14:49 PM  
fubuvsfitch
I think you're right...

...and you gotta respect a girl who shows off the fact that she smokes pole!
 
2006-03-23 12:20:30 PM  
word.
 
2006-03-23 12:26:21 PM  
Contrabulous Flabtrapulation /lay off the drugs, Gothnet

That's precisely the problem! I haven't had any for weeks!

/only smokes weed any more
//still thinks others should be able to do what they want
///Also supports proper, unbiased research into these things
 
2006-03-23 12:33:00 PM  
If we are banning things that are dangerous maybe we also need to ban

Speedboats
mountain climbing
unprotected sex
hang gliding
motorcycles
ladders

where does it end? Risk is a personal choice in all things.
 
2006-03-23 01:08:58 PM  
personally...I've done X, and i've smoked weed...hell, I've done a few chemicals (just not the hard stuff like smack or coke)...i just don't bother anymore, because I'm 24, and it's starting to seem a little silly to me spending my time out of my skull on chemicals...I just don't see the point of forcing myself to act like an ass. To that effect, I don't drink much either.
 
2006-03-23 01:30:55 PM  
Hmm.. seems like there is a lot of closemindedness (if thats a word) or should it just be close mindedness or perhaps closed mindedness.. ohh well whatever... there are some similar drug/brain articles at http://www.omnibrain.org --- good stuff.
 
2006-03-23 02:08:45 PM  
Gothnet: //still thinks others should be able to do what they want


Agreed. And I don't want my taxes to pay for your ass when your chemical concoction tries to kill you.
 
2006-03-23 02:47:12 PM  
There's so much misinformation in this thread it's scary. But some good points too. How come when x was legal and sold in bars in TX through 1985 no one was dying from it??

*Real* x does not contain anything besides MDMA. All the dismal doras above saying it's laced with x! with y! aren't talking about ecstasy. They are talking about an adulterated substance. Buy a testing kit online and test before you take and/or know your source well.

As for the study, well, first it used a whole whopping 15 people -- not really a significant number of people to draw any conclusion. Second, did the study factor in the other drugs these individuals were ingesting? ahhh!

Last, the study cites "heavy" users are permanently effected. But what is "heavy" use? And, incidentally, if you're a "heavy" user you are abusing ecstasy, not using it. That's a big difference which thanks to the War on (some) Drugs is never acknowledged.

Used in a theraputic setting, ecstasy could could cut the US's divorce rate by one third. Period.

Know who hates ecstasy the most and lobbied hard to make it Schedule 1? The big breweries of course - people rolling drink water while they're out.
 
2006-03-23 03:54:34 PM  
Highroller48 I work in a club, (are you getting a kick out of these replies?) and at LEAST once a week I have to call an Ambulance and do (sometimes critical) first aid on some friggin' idiot who's been doing E

SpectroBoy Although I am sure your club credentials are almost as good as a medical degree, I would like to remind you that virtually all emergency medical assistance for "E" is for dehydration, over exertion, or a physical accident. (Making E comparable to running or hiking).

thanks for playing.


As a Paramedic I have to add that SpectroBoy is right. Ecstacy tends to mask the bodies normal response to heat, exhaustion and thirst, and basically all incidents that require medical assistance that I have been a part of have included dehydration and heat stroke as a result of too much dancing in a hot club and not enough fluid intake. If they had taken the pills at home and sat on their couch all night there should be no problems at all, as long as it is MDMA they are actually taking.
 
2006-03-23 04:27:16 PM  
In my experience, the most negitive effect of drugs is that they waste huge gobs of time. You waste time finding them, getting them (which is always a needless hassle because of the people involved) and of course, you can't do anything remotely productive most of the time when you are actually doing them. The harder stuff can also drill holes in your brian that your brain my not appreciate having, but life does that too.

You look at an addict and what do you see? Generally someone who is or has become selfish and will do whatever go get to the place where they can indulge in their addiction of choice. This goes for druggies, porn addicted, gamblers, alchoholics (subset of druggies), gamers what have you. All other social problems are related to being selfish and driven to waste time.

Beyond that, all drugs do crappy things to you on some level. Hell, too much water can make you pass out and die.
 
2006-03-23 04:56:44 PM  
Highroller -
Oh, btw....here's someone who doed from a SINGLE pill.

what does this mean? Tylenol kills 30-40 Americans each year. If you do the math -- that millions of people are taking ecstasy every weekend (an undeniable truth), you can quickly conclude that the risk ratio is quite low.

People die from "just one"... plane ride/ski trip/drive/walk/etc/etc is everything with a possible risk to be made illegal?

All those "ambulances you keep calling" -- how do you know what this person ingested? You don't, do you?

This kind of misinformation and scare tactics you and your pal Moriya are posting here - do you realize the grevious harm it does to minors? They begin to discount all real/accurate drug warnings after discovering posts by people like you just aren't true.

But I guess you don't care anyway as people who use it "deserve brain damage" as you posted anyway, right? (Ecstasy isn't even a "hard" drug, by the way, as you keep denigrating it.) Jesus Christ. Did you know it was developed as a DIET drug? Did you know it's being tested in Israel and Spain right now for victims of rape trauma? That it's used for breveement therapy w/very positive results? That it was legal and sold in bars in the South of the US for years and there were no problems associated w/it?

sussssh already.
 
2006-03-23 05:39:26 PM  
Here's another gem:

it's FAR more addictive than cocaine

Hey, seatown75, what the HELL are you talking about? Ecstasy isn't even addictive, period. Not even NIH or similar websites -- sites with a major agenda -- can list it as such.

In fact, if you use ex a lot, it basically stops working for ya -- it's essentially a self-regulating drug.
 
2006-03-23 06:00:14 PM  
plewis
You look at an addict and what do you see? Generally someone who is or has become selfish and will do whatever go get to the place where they can indulge in their addiction of choice. This goes for druggies, porn addicted, gamblers, alchoholics (subset of druggies), gamers what have you. All other social problems are related to being selfish and driven to waste time.

Good job describing the Puritan attitude about drug use (or anything pleasurable for that matter). But I'm going to have to issue an irony citation for posting about "time wasting" on Fark. Have a nice day!
 
2006-03-23 06:35:24 PM  
Ok.. I've done a fair amount of recreational substances in my life.. my list is not as impressive as Lars The Canadian Viking's list, but if you take out the weird pharmies and the speedy stuff, it's pretty close..

I've done e many, many times over the last 10 years (ranging from 1 time a year to about 15 times a year, with a current usage of 3-4 times a year) and never have I had a problem. I have a good job, own a home, have healthy relationships with other people from many different backgrounds.. etc, etc.. only once have has anyone in my group of friends had a problem and it was the classic too much dancing not drinking any water experience and we had to take him to the emergency room so they could re-hydrate him. As a result, he is no longer invited to party with us.

It's very possible to use drugs responsibly and it's also very possible to use drugs and totally ruin your life. You absolutely need to know yourself and your personality before messing with any mind altering substances (this includes alcohol). Knowing myself, I won't try heroin.. because I suspect I would LOVE it and it's just not worth the risk.

It's all about moderation kids.
 
2006-03-23 06:37:04 PM  
Leviathanial
Dude shut the f*ck up Highroller. You're just some brainwashed murderer for hire anyway, why the hell should we listen to someone that gets a paycheck from Uncle Samual?

Thanks for contributing to the civil, entertaining, and substantive discussion that I look forward to on Fark! However, you might want to reconsider ignoring anybody who is or ever has been employed by the federal government. They are the largest single employer in the country.

More seriously, that was very un-Dude-like.

Highroller48
Oh, btw....here's someone who doed from a SINGLE pill.
http://ecstasy.org/info/dangers.html


If you read your own link, you will discover that it is focused on criticizing the "one pill" meme that spread through the media coverage surrounding this incident. The girl died from drinking too much water, had on the night of the incident consumed alcohol and marijuana in addition to Ecstasy, and was a repeat Ecstasy user.

Were it not for your other posts, I would charitably conclude that this was sarcasm. Unfortunately, you force me to believe the only other option - that you are a fool.
 
2006-03-23 07:53:34 PM  
fourier: Well played Sir. Well played....

/as in transform?
 
2006-03-23 10:46:20 PM  
Lars The Canadian Viking: Please don't blame the drug, it is innocent, blame the people who abuse it.


let me describe to you what E does... it burns out the fuses in your brain <<< very simplified version

basically it shoots your seritonin load for the week all at once. you feel pretty farkin good at the time but then you are significantly less happy for quite some time after, if you do too much at once or do more too soon after (too few days, not just waiting till you are off the high) you can perminantly damage receptors and make yourself permenantly less happy than before in a way that cannot be fixed with modern medicine.

smoke weed
do shrooms
drink beer
even a little acid

those, when used carefully will give you a good time and not perma-fark your brain
 
2006-03-23 11:12:22 PM  
Experiment on my own nervous system? That sounds kinda dumb. No thanks.
 
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