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(Reuters)   Study concludes ecstasy can damage the brains ability to.... uhhh.... umm can't remember what it does, read the article yourself   ( today.reuters.com) divider line
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2006-03-22 03:49:44 PM  
Intersting. Of course, people that DO hard drugs deserve the brain damage.

On a side note, this shiat is scary...

Calgary Police reported that EVRY SINGLE Extacy tablet siezed by them in 2005 (that's hundreds of thousands of them) - yes, of the haul - were laced with Crystal Meth.
 
2006-03-22 03:50:37 PM  
Not sure why 1 0 0 percent was filtered...and oops, preview.
 
2006-03-22 03:54:47 PM  
Highroller48: were laced with Crystal Meth.

It's always cut with something. Meth is inexpensive and comparatively plentiful. Sometimes it's speed, sometimes it's heroin, sometimes it's PCP, sometimes it's Ketamine.
 
2006-03-22 03:58:52 PM  
MoriyaMug: It's always cut with something. Meth is inexpensive and comparatively plentiful. Sometimes it's speed, sometimes it's heroin, sometimes it's PCP, sometimes it's Ketamine.

Which is why I'd never do it here in the states, or anywhere it's illegal.
 
2006-03-22 04:00:17 PM  
*Gulp*
 
2006-03-22 04:01:57 PM  
Of course, people that DO hard drugs deserve the brain damage.

Care to elaborate on that sentiment?
 
2006-03-22 04:06:14 PM  
o sweet jeebus, any hard drugs are fine in moderation, you can get a testing kit for less than 50$... and a little bit of meth never hurt anyone.
 
2006-03-22 04:10:10 PM  
MoriyaMug: sometimes it's heroin,

I thought that was an urban legend- herion's too expensive to cut pills with. Usually pills that are said to contain it have DXM or Ketamine. At least that's what I heard.
 
2006-03-22 04:16:30 PM  
BooBoo23: Usually pills that are said to contain it have DXM or Ketamine. At least that's what I heard.

Usually, yes. They're comparatively rare, but they pop up on a rare occasion. Sometimes they have LSD, too.
 
2006-03-22 04:18:35 PM  
Bright shiny thing!
 
2006-03-22 04:29:34 PM  
MoriyaMug: It's always cut with something. Meth is inexpensive and comparatively plentiful. Sometimes it's speed, sometimes it's heroin, sometimes it's PCP, sometimes it's Ketamine.

MDMA+PCP? That's crazy.
 
2006-03-22 04:31:11 PM  
Rollo Tomasi: That's crazy.

That is, as I understand it, kind of the point.
 
2006-03-22 04:33:09 PM  
Did I say crazy? I meant unlikely.
 
2006-03-22 04:55:09 PM  
oops nm
 
2006-03-22 05:04:14 PM  
Alexis: Of course, people that DO hard drugs deserve the brain damage.

Care to elaborate on that sentiment?


How about, "people who do hard drugs should not be ignorant of the fact that they may get brain damaged and should not expect an ounce of sympathy" (to harsh?)
 
2006-03-22 07:03:02 PM  
MoriyaMug: They're comparatively rare, but they pop up on a rare occasion.

Erowid kind of disagrees, but I'll take your word for it. Yikes!
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_info11.shtml (pops) *site probably NSFW*
 
2006-03-22 11:31:28 PM  
Well, I'm glad they did a study and concluded the existance of E-tards.
 
2006-03-23 12:12:30 AM  
On a lighter note: X can make you hypersensitive, perfect for the wife.
 
2006-03-23 12:13:46 AM  
"The 15 study participants' reported using the drug from 3 to 225 times over the course of the year."

Err. 225 times? In a single year? wtf?

 
2006-03-23 12:14:46 AM  
everyone should just smoke weed, period.

/everyone!
 
2006-03-23 12:15:22 AM  
It doesnt say anything about light use and memory. Only that some quit using and their memory improved, not which group. So I am kind of wary of what these findings truly showed. Did the heavy users quit and get their memory back...what the hell happened...unless the answer was in there and I can't remember it anymore.
 
2006-03-23 12:16:00 AM  
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2006-03-23 12:17:28 AM  
... use apostrophe's?
 
2006-03-23 12:17:31 AM  
methylenedioxymethamphetamine

since the word meth is in its name TWICE, you can bet its been laced with 'crystal meth'.
 
2006-03-23 12:17:46 AM  
your mother
weed is gateway drug
 
2006-03-23 12:18:57 AM  
i30.photobucket.com

"Taking drugs can affect you negatively."
 
2006-03-23 12:18:57 AM  
Not that the study only followed 15 users... and I have to belive that the guy who said he did X 225 times in a year was farking with the data.

/don't doubt its true, just saying...
 
2006-03-23 12:19:07 AM  
Z_since_1516


methylenedioxymethamphetamine

since the word meth is in its name TWICE, you can bet its been laced with 'crystal meth'.


What a stupid thing to say. Was that a joke?
 
2006-03-23 12:20:41 AM  
So if it's true as Highroller48 that black market MDMA is routinely laced with crystal meth, the study here (assuming it's valid otherwise) says that either MDMA, or crystal meth, or MDMA in combination with crystal meth can cause memory impairment that for all but extremely heavy users is likely temporary and reversible. In other words, the study is pretty worthless.
 
2006-03-23 12:20:47 AM  
But what were their memories like before using E? Especially with such a small sample.
 
2006-03-23 12:20:52 AM  
OK, mom.

Who funded the study? And how well can you draw conclusions from fifteen individuals with such a varied degree of use? Sure, it points in the direction of e being bad for you, but how conclusive is it?


/never tried e
//wonder what would happen if it were cut with Cialis
 
2006-03-23 12:20:53 AM  
I would have submitted this with a funnier headline. :)
 
2006-03-23 12:21:13 AM  
Fjornir: Err. 225 times? In a single year? wtf?

Exactly. Drink 10 cups of coffee in a day 225 times in a year and you're bound to have some sort of adverse effect.
 
2006-03-23 12:22:07 AM  
Well played SpongeBlob
 
2006-03-23 12:22:10 AM  
This doesn't prove anything, however.

Did they constantly observe these people to see what else they were doing with their lives? The impact on memory could have been from anything, especially considering that most people that use ecstacy are part of a party scene. Drinking, other drugs, STDs, poor diet, lifestyle could all impact memory and learning.

This study is useless.

In order to do a valid study they would have to start with a baseline group of people that have never done ecstacy. Give them the memory test. Then divide the group into subgroups and have each subgroup take the drug in varying amounts over the course of the year. During the year they cannot use any other drug, including alcohol. One group should be a control and should be given a placebo (although that won't do much, because it'll be pretty obvious to them that they're not under the effects of a drug as powerful as ecstacy). Then retest them all at the end of the year. Finally, divide each subgroup into two subgroups. One of these subgroups will continue taking the same dose, and the other will stop taking the drug altogether. Test again after another year.
 
buz [BareFark]
2006-03-23 12:22:27 AM  
>>weed is gateway drug

But Apple will be taking them to court over copyright ingrigement....

\ducking and running from the cheap joke police
 
2006-03-23 12:23:07 AM  
Z_since_1516

methylenedioxymethamphetamine

since the word meth is in its name TWICE, you can bet its been laced with 'crystal meth'.


I dunno, IIRC from chemistry class, it means there are a couple of methyl groups (as in methane) in the chemical.
 
2006-03-23 12:23:39 AM  
mander Well played SpongeBlob

*curtsey*

Thank you, kind sir.
 
Zel [TotalFark]
2006-03-23 12:25:53 AM  
taking hard drugs caused my friend to lose several years of his life. but really it would be more sensible to blame the guys who threw him in jail, not the chemical that made him happy.
 
2006-03-23 12:26:31 AM  
whatever, it's still sooooo goooood
 
2006-03-23 12:26:36 AM  
Alexis: Care to elaborate on that sentiment?

i viewed your profile to see if you were about to defend hard drugs, but i found it more interesting than this thread.

but yeah, anyway.. ecstasy isn't a much of a decent choice, in my opinion, once the benefits are weighed against the damage.
 
2006-03-23 12:26:38 AM  
just confirms my long standing argument that mushrooms and LSD are/were way better in all aspects.

/ravers suck
 
2006-03-23 12:30:06 AM  
I have partied with many of my "rave" friends and x seems to do nothing to me.

Unless you count brain cells. But i have too many already.
 
2006-03-23 12:31:54 AM  
lsd, the same L S D i am thinking of?

go dose out dude
 
2006-03-23 12:34:32 AM  
I hope this study wasn't funded with US government money (looks like it may be in Canada). As a researcher, this study is pretty much worthless. Perhaps the journal article actually has useful info, but I'm too lazy.

MAPS has been doing research with pure E for quite some time.
 
2006-03-23 12:35:27 AM  
moosen

but yeah, anyway.. ecstasy isn't a much of a decent choice, in my opinion, once the benefits are weighed against the damage.

What damage?

Here we have one poorly conducted study suggesting memory and learning problems which are reversible except for heavy use, against a backdrop of millions of people (yes, millions) taking ecstacy on a regular basis as a party drug, with virtually no hospital admissions or deaths as a result. Those deaths which do occur have been due to an allergic reaction or from drinking too much water.

Contrast that with the 'memory loss' and 'learning problems' or rather cost to businesses worldwide due to people showing up with hangovers, and the vast array of alcohol-related problems.

I'm no advocate of ecstacy use, but an informed look at the statistics makes it very difficult to put together a case against it compared to alcohol, or even, say, weed, which when smoked is just as bad for you as tobacco.
 
2006-03-23 12:35:58 AM  
I used to love rolling back in the day. I always hated feeling brain dead for the next two days or so after though.I do think x should be mandatory for any politician though.
 
2006-03-23 12:36:57 AM  
3 to 225 times over the course of the year.

That part alone of the study is suspicious. Bit reminisant to the insane "E Puts Holes In Your Brain" study.


Still, massive abuse of E just can't be good for your brain. Personally, I feel that coke is much worse a drug health wise.
 
2006-03-23 12:37:02 AM  
I have sworn off any E that I don't know to be pure MDMA/caffiene, which is pretty much all of it. Occasionally I find pure ones around.
 
2006-03-23 12:39:00 AM  
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Never done me no harm
 
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