wingnutx: Any conservative forced to like in Berkley is bound to do a bit of whining.

Why DO they live there?

Do they think they're gonna like influence the political landscape'n'shiat?

Portland, too. Why be miserable?

Utter nonsense if you ask me. Conservatives are tough cookies, and never whine about everything.

Pat Robertson on College Professors: "you know some of them are killers!"

ROBERTSON: Ladies and gentleman this is a fascinating book. If you want to, you'd better take your blood pressure medicine before you read it, but it's "The Professors: The 101 most dangerous academics in America" and that's just a short list of the 30-40,000 of them, they're like termites that have worked into the woodwork of our academic society and it's appalling. This is available at CBN.com and book stores everywhere, and you really ought to read it and be informed.

TERRI: Its interesting that so many conservatives haven't seen this because decades ago we were told that infiltrating education was the way to take over the country, we should have been on alert.

ROBERTSON: They gamed it, these guys are out and out communists, they are radicals, you know some of them killers, and they are propagandists of the first order and they don't want anybody else except them. That's why Regent University for example is so terrifically important and why we're setting up an undergraduate program that hopefully will see shortly 10,000 students, and then from there 250,000 because you don't want your child to be brainwashed by these radicals, you just don't want it to happen. Not only brainwashed but beat up, they beat these people up, cower them into submission. Ahhh! "The Professors", read it.

2006-03-22 04:17:17 PM ericjohnson0

Good comeback. For real. It's been a while since I've seen "nuh-uh, you are!" used with such effectiveness.

I had no idea you could make any scholarly conclusions based on a sample that small. Mighty interesting.

Longitudinal studies are notoriously a) long, and b) expensive. 95 Participants in a longidtudinal study is actually a really impressive number. Most have like 10-20.

I'm pissed that my tax dollars support this nonsense.

I couldn't find the source of funding in the article. You don't have a copy of the study, do you? I would seriously love to read it and be able to critique it for myself. Being the astute scholar that you most certainly are, I'm sure you're already aware that the majority of research done at institutions is funded through grants from outside (often private) sources, and that a study performed at a Public University is not necessarily paid for by tax dollars.

/Seriously would love to actually read the study.

This comment to the article (2nd one down), says it all:

"What exactly was the point of this study? Extreme liberals are going to deride conservatives even more. Conservatives are going to react defensively. And so an attempt to understand ourselves ends up further stratifying countrymen."

This reminds me of some psychological study, I think it came out of UC Berkely as well, about how political Conservatism was some kind of mental defect.

whidbey: Every major change in society was concocted/instigated/manipulated by liberals.

Nope. Being a history major, I can't help but bristle at such statements. Most of the civil rights and worker conditions changes in society were from liberals, yes, but there are many other reasons for these changes too and as a student of history I cannot help but debate your blanket attribution of societal change to liberals. Remember also that the definition of "liberal" has also changed throughout history as the political spectrum has shifted back and forth.

Can't we just throw our entire political system in the shiat and start fresh with a, "What the fark were we thinking?" attitude?

/if you think EITHER Republicans or Democrats are the ONE true salvation, then you need help
/fast

I_C_Weener: Anyone else remember that study?

Yes, and although I hate generalizations, I agreed with the notion.

My ilk is still quite unsatisfied....

whidbey

Genderism is dead. Old. Busted. Along with racism.

What people THINK and PRODUCE counts these days.

Just ask Dubai Ports World.

Explains why my five-year-old runs around shrieking, "I have absolute power and I'm still persecuted!"

Dissenter of Dearth: Excellent work.

While it does seem like this study has some holes, I think this article is missing one important tag:

FoxyYankee
Maybe they support what they think fits them at the time?

Traditional views of the parties would seem to support the idea that when you are younger you may want to improve the world you live in and when you are older your focus shifts to holding on to the things you value. I'm not saying the parties are performing that way now but most people don't tend to follow them very closely anyway.

I_C_Weener: There was another study a few days ago that conservatives were happier than liberals.

The only reason that conservatives are currently happier than liberals is because their politicians are in power implementing policies they favor. It was the other way around in the 90s under Clinton, when he couldn't take a shiat without some conservative prick criticising him for it.

I prefer progeressives to liberals. I like to hit people too much to really be a liberal.

ericjohnson0: Nope... crybabies become... self-centered asshats who consider their bitter self-pity "that basically, nobody gives a damn whether you live or die other than the ones closest to you. I will tell you this and not embellish: Most people who are unemployed, it is by choice..." the same as "self-reliance."

bbcrackmonkey: Most of the civil rights and worker conditions changes in society were from liberals,

Which was my point. And I'm also well-versed in history...:)

yes, but there are many other reasons for these changes too and as a student of history I cannot help but debate your blanket attribution of societal change to liberals.

I'm just noticing who took the credit: socialists, populists, god forbid COMMUNISTS.

Remember also that the definition of "liberal" has also changed throughout history as the political spectrum has shifted back and forth.

The movers and shakers clamored for the changes, and their actions can only be called "liberal."

2006-03-22 04:15:09 PM Elvis_had_a_stinky_butt

New study: Men with small penises are conservatives.

/just sayin'

Another New Study: Men with large vaginas are liberals

I'm pissed that my tax dollars support this nonsense.

Uh, bet it wasn't but let's say it did. I doubt it cost 8 billion dollars that just went bye-bye, no oversight, in Iraq. Please shove the "my tax dollars" up yo' azz until you complain as loudly about that kind of waste.

Also, didn't someone release a "Republicans are happier" study like less than a month ago? Anybody biatch about "taxpayer money" then? Bueller? Bueller?

/don't trust these studies anyway

Crybabies?

Nope. Being a history major, I can't help but bristle at such statements. Most of the civil rights and worker conditions changes in society were from liberals, yes, but there are many other reasons for these changes too and as a student of history I cannot help but debate your blanket attribution of societal change to liberals. Remember also that the definition of "liberal" has also changed throughout history as the political spectrum has shifted back and forth.

The nuances may change, but the definitions don't. By definition, doesn't liberal mean "embraces change" and conservative mean "Embraces the status quo?"

/Honestly doesn't know.

Durang: Men with large vaginas are liberals


transgender? yep probably a "liberal"

The problem with discounting this report as biased is that the kids were diagnosed as being brats when they were young and then only later were they assessed for qualities which just happened to include political leanings.

So there is no way that it can be biased.

bbcrackmonkey

Remember also that the definition of "liberal" has also changed throughout history as the political spectrum has shifted back and forth.

The dictionary definition of the world has not changed. Only people's perverted useage of the word to describe things that they approve/disapprove of has. The word Conservative has also fallen into this pit of perversion.

Anymore the two labels are merely used by people to label their opposition, and not to describe their political leanings. Sad really...

NPR is THE most biased news source and the public actuallys PAYS for it.

I'd do my usual 'Thank God for George Bush' thing and talk about how this report is just another of the media full scale assault on GWB, but then, I'd be whining.

But I do hate NPR.

I'd say the article was spot on, in that it doesn't support the Berkeley professor's "study" (which I haven't read, but sounds like teh bollocks).

Conservatives are all whiners, basically. I find that laughable.

canyoneer: It might have made more sense if the study claimed that whiny, insecure children would grow up to be arrogant, wasteful pigs who advocate bombing foreigners and shoving Christianity down others' throats, while the rest of the brats grew up to be hypocritical, wasteful drips who sip fancy slave-labor coffee while making up half-baked, fantasy-land excuses for bums and thugs and foreigners.

None of this has anything to do with the traditional definitions of "liberal" and "conservative," of course.

I could NOT have put it more succintly myself, good sir.

jbar19: NPR is THE most biased news source and the public actuallys PAYS for it.


do we need to bust out the "who was right on Iraq" graph?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't liberals the ones crying that the government isn't doing enough for them?

Wah! I can't find a job with my English degree!
Wah! We should be saving the caribou! Or something!

I'd rather be an evil capitalist pig, work 80 hours a week, and drive a gas guzzling SUV without you kids crying about it.

NPR is THE most biased news source and the public actuallys PAYS for it.

I'd do my usual 'Thank God for George Bush' thing and talk about how this report is just another of the media full scale assault on GWB, but then, I'd be whining.

But I do hate NPR.

So, you didn't RTFA which criticised the study? You also obviously didn't read the thread, which also pointed out that the article criticized the study. Basically you read the headline and reacted.

Good for you.

submitter: Whiny children grow up to be conservatives

This would infer that they do infact 'grow up'.

Andric
I'd say the article was spot on, in that it doesn't support the Berkeley professor's "study" (which I haven't read, but sounds like teh bollocks).

Conservatives are all whiners, basically. I find that laughable.

Modern "conservatives" whining about something they haven't read/seen? I find that regularly.

RocketRod: Let's see, a Berkeley profesor... a Toronto newspaper... and a public radio network... that's gotta be Liberal trifecta right there!


Name 3 non southern citys that you would not consider to be "Liberal trifecta".... you cant can you?

Your idea of liberal is anyone who is not:
White, rich, and racist like you?

fark a "conservative" Im a damned American. A farking TRUEBLUE YANKEE DEMOCRAT, and you can call it what you want, nerdy little winers, or racist hicks. fark you!!!
/God bless the sweet loving memory of GENERAL WILLIAM T. SHERMAN!

The Homer Tax: The nuances may change, but the definitions don't. By definition, doesn't liberal mean "embraces change" and conservative mean "Embraces the status quo?"

Supposedly, but conservatism can also be interpreted to mean that it is somebody who embraces a forelorn "Good old days" and wants society to regress back to those days, which would also mean a major change in society. We've witnessed changes in society that reverted it back to previous state before, changes which can be ascribed to conservatives. Just look at the Islamic world. 30 years ago nobody used to wear the veil in a lot of the more secular countries there, but nowadays its almost mandatory.

orrinbloquy: I remember thinking that dumb people were out to get the minority with smarts by dragging them down. I remember thinking that other people were jealous of my wisdom. I remember being mad at Puerto Ricans for speaking Spanish in my house.

I also remember making friends and learning to take a farking bath every now and then, and the rest went away like a scab on my ass.

For a second I thought you were going to say "then I wrote 'The Fountainhead'".

jbar19

NPR is THE most biased news source and the public actuallys PAYS for it.

I'd do my usual 'Thank God for George Bush' thing and talk about how this report is just another of the media full scale assault on GWB, but then, I'd be whining.

But I do hate NPR.

If by "biased" you mean they don't have crank talking heads, then sure. NPR has intelligent conservatives like Byron York or William Kristol. I may not agree with them, but I'd much rather hear them than some blowhard.

The correlation they found in this study was 0.27. That means the conclusion is scientifically worthless. Correlation under about 0.6 can't be distinguished from random noise. In physics even obviously wrong models can give correlations about 0.9.

I notice the NPR guy didn't address this.

So we have a study that any honest researcher would conclude demonstrates absolutely nothing. And yet it makes national news.

The scientific and mathematical ignorance of the journalistic community really infuriates me. This is just one more example of them getting basic scientific/mathematical fasts completely wrong.

I think a more interesting study would be what kind of households raise girls who eventually make there way onto a Girls Gone Wild video? I'm assuming that it runs the social and socioeconomic spectrum.

And, I'd want pics/video documentation (when of legal age, of course).

Wade

Clavis
Thanks for that. It was all really important for us to know that you (who in my memory have never said anything that wasn't GOP boilerplate) have a prejudice against liberal or non-conservative sources. Because we didn't know that before. We were under the mistaken impression that you judged things on their merits, and not whether they were "Bush-Approved(tm)".
So thanks again for letting us know that you rolled your eyes -- to know that you're keeping up appearances, by presenting the modern conservative as arrogant, condescending and smug.

OK here we go.
1. The old Bushbot, sheeple, mouthpiece argument. Sure you dont have anything better? I have been just as big of a critic of the GOP Congress and the President on several issues as anyone else. Most importantly spending, where I referred to the GOP Congress as "whores just like the democrats" but of course you didn't see that. Further I referred to the Bush political office as being run by a bunch of morans. I criticized the President over Harriet Miers, the UAE deal & immigration. Should I wait for your apology?

2. The reason I roll my eyes at a report stating from UC Berkley stating that conservative kids become whiny is because it is a stupid survey that means nothing. The survey was taken in Berkley which voted 9-1 for Kerry over Bush. Perhaps growing up conservative in a liberal city had something to do with it. So as you can tell my skepticism came from the method of the survey.

3. I can be arrogant or condescending at times but I am never smug. Again I await your apology.

tarrant84
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't liberals the ones crying that the government isn't doing enough for them?

I know this is hard, but the study says whiny children, not whiny now.

So yeah, you're wrong.

tarrant84: I'd rather be an evil capitalist pig, work 80 hours a week, and drive a gas guzzling SUV without you kids crying about it.

Why would you want to work 80 hours a week? Either your job involves getting pleasured by porn stars for several hours a day or you're some kind or raging workaholic. Seriously dude, you must really love your job.

"When did they change the spelling of NPR to T-o-r-o-n-t-o S-t-a-r?"

Spelling reform's a biatch, ain't it.

Here are the primary differences between American conservatives and liberals...

Conservatives drive Suburbans that get 19MPG, liberals drive Sequoias that get 21MPG.

Conservatives lament the lack of border security but hire illegals to work in their lawn care business, liberals lament the exploitation of illegals but hire the lawn care business to care for their lawn.

Conservatives lament the fate of aborted babies but don't care about live ones, liberals care about live ones but don't care about the ones that get aborted.

Conservatives are against abortion but are pro-war, pro-military, and pro-death penalty. Liberals are for abortion and euthanasia, but are against war and the death penalty.

Conservatives want to bomb Arabs but refuse to use less petroleum, liberals don't want to bomb Arabs but refuse to use less petroleum.

Conservatives see all their values embodied in a pampered frat boy from an Ivy League University, liberals see all their values embodied in a pampered frat boy from an Ivy League University.

Conservatives put red, white, and blue bumper stickers on their SUV's, liberals put rainbow bumper stickers on their SUV's.

COnservatives believe in 3,500 year-old fairy tales about peace and happiness in the Kingdom of God, liberals believe in 35 year-old fairy tales about peace and happiness in the Kingdom of Diversity.

2006-03-22 04:29:57 PM tarrant84 [TotalFark]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't liberals the ones crying that the government isn't doing enough for them?

Wah! I can't find a job with my English degree!
Wah! We should be saving the caribou! Or something!

Wah! My college professor is a liberal, and doesn't believe that Ronald Reagon is the second coming of Jesus!

Wah! My college uses affirmative action, and now some colored kids are taking a spot that was rightfully mine for being white!

Wah! My SUV costs $100 just to fill the tank, because there are some hippies who won't let us drill in the artic!

Yes, both sides can be seen as "whiney." The difference is, only one side control all three branches of government, as well as the corporate media agenda.

What sucks is that there are only two labels for political viewpoints: liberal and conservative. I consider myself conservative, but have no problem with gay marriage and I am against the death penalty. So, if someone can figure out a label for that, I'd love to hear it.

Every major change in society was concocted/instigated/manipulated by liberals pornographers.

There we go.

Shrikeangel
The correlation they found in this study was 0.27. That means the conclusion is scientifically worthless. Correlation under about 0.6 can't be distinguished from random noise. In physics even obviously wrong models can give correlations about 0.9.
I notice the NPR guy didn't address this.
So we have a study that any honest researcher would conclude demonstrates absolutely nothing. And yet it makes national news.
The scientific and mathematical ignorance of the journalistic community really infuriates me. This is just one more example of them getting basic scientific/mathematical fasts completely wrong.

No No No...you are just a Bushbot toeing the party line and not using facts to back up your argument against the survey.

I haven't seen a real conservative in years. I mean, I beleive in conservation, fiscal and environmental conservation. What people call "conservative" now carries the connotation of "anti-abortion" and "pro-fascism" to me.