If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(BBC)   Hi everybody, chiropractors are a waste of time and money   (news.bbc.co.uk) divider line 344
    More: Obvious  
•       •       •

24701 clicks; posted to Main » on 22 Mar 2006 at 12:45 PM (8 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



344 Comments   (+0 »)
   

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | » | Last | Show all
 
2006-03-22 12:22:46 PM
Chiropracty is more like witchcraft than medicine.
 
2006-03-22 12:29:37 PM
It's a total con. Especially when you find the chiropractor who thinks that spinal manipualtion can cure any ailment.
 
2006-03-22 12:30:27 PM
My brother in law is one. I have more education than him and he insists everyone calls him Doctor. He's such a jackass.

I'm wating for him to get arrested in an insurance fraud scheme any day now.
 
2006-03-22 12:30:29 PM
It's for people with more money than sense.
 
2006-03-22 12:30:30 PM
Its helped me a lot.

I use to have lower back pain for years from lifting a lot- but its all gone now after visiting the Chiropractor once a month.
 
2006-03-22 12:30:42 PM
As a physical therapist I have severe reservations about chiropractic care. The risks are just too great for questionable benefits; I've treated several patients who have had discs in their necks and backs herniated by a chiropractic manipulation.

Not all chiros are bad, just like not all PTs are good. But philosophically I just don't agree with putting patients in that much risk.
 
2006-03-22 12:30:53 PM
And we know that...Medicine is just guesswork in a white coat.
-G. Carlin
 
2006-03-22 12:31:18 PM
An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: I use to have lower back pain for years from lifting a lot- but its all gone now after visiting the Chiropractor once a month.

All that money in your wallet must have been putting a strain on your back. ;-)
 
2006-03-22 12:31:49 PM
FLMoose: And we know that...Medicine is just guesswork in a white coat.

That is more true than you know.
 
2006-03-22 12:34:25 PM
mediaho I could go every day for 3 years straight before I incur the cost of one single visit to a spinal surgeon who would most likly only tell me to stop lifting.

You probably believe that there are magic pills like effexor that can cure everything else right.
 
2006-03-22 12:35:32 PM
has an actual chiropractic subluxation, the very thing the entire discipline is based on, ever been verified medically?
 
2006-03-22 12:35:45 PM
What I hear from anyone that goes to one, is that "it makes me feel so much better" but they have to keep going. They can't 'feel better' unless they see one twice a week. There's gotta be a better answer than spine twisting.
 
2006-03-22 12:36:00 PM
I've only seen a chiropractor for one issue.
I had one referral from a real doctor who suggested I needed surgery. The fake doctor suggested I give him 2 months of adjustments for a flat fee of $100 total. After 2 months of tri-weekly adjustments my back pain was completely gone and I haven't seen the fake doctor since, as the pain has never returned. The real doctor suggests that in the future I will still need back surgery.

It's been 3 years pain free, guess I'll wait and see.
 
2006-03-22 12:36:35 PM
If by "few benefits" the experts mean helping me walk upright without pain after breaking my neck and no relief from my regular physician, then yeah they're right.
 
2006-03-22 12:38:45 PM
An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: You probably believe that there are magic pills like effexor that can cure everything else right.

Not familiar with Effexor and I believe strongly in actual physical therepy. Glad it's working out for you (and your Chiro.) Out of curiosity, how many real doctors did you see about your back before this guy?
 
2006-03-22 12:40:39 PM
Few benefits implies some benefits.
 
2006-03-22 12:42:09 PM
chiropractor = overpaid masseuse with delusions of grandeur.
 
2006-03-22 12:43:19 PM
Here's the first 5 of the 33 Chiropractic Principles.

1. The Major Premise
A Universal Intelligence is in all matter and continually gives to it all its properties and actions, thus maintaining it in existence.

2. The Chiropractic Meaning of Life
The expression of this intelligence through matter is the Chiropractic meaning of life.

3. The Union of Intelligence and Matter
Life is necessarily the union of intelligence and matter.

4. The Triune of Life
Life is a triunity having three necessary united factors, namely: Intelligence, Force and Matter.

5. The Perfection of the Triune
In order to have 100% Life, there must be 100% Intelligence, 100% Force, 100% Matter.
 
2006-03-22 12:43:52 PM
If you RTFA you'll see the study said Chiropracty was valid for low back pain but not better than traditional treatments.

That said let me add that if you are seeing a chiropractor to have you back adjusted to help your asthma get better you're an extreme moran to begin with.
 
2006-03-22 12:45:25 PM
dude, lay off. what the fark else are you supposed to do when you get kicked out of med school?
 
2006-03-22 12:46:07 PM
mediaho I saw 4. But since I didnt have a herniated/slipped/crushed disk they all told me all I could do it take pain pills or cortisol and stop working out.
 
2006-03-22 12:46:12 PM
I have been to the chiropractor several times before, and it did help. Also, it is covered fully by my insurance. However, I can see how it will not be helpful to everyone.
 
2006-03-22 12:47:21 PM
willywanka Become a Dentist?
 
2006-03-22 12:47:44 PM
If it sounds like a duck...

It's a chiropractor

/get it... quack (ha ha)
//back to work before I embarass myself further
 
2006-03-22 12:48:05 PM
That said let me add that if you are seeing a chiropractor to have you back adjusted to help your asthma get better you're an extreme moran to begin with.

You're a moran if you get your asthma treated by spinal manipulation, yes.

What does that say about the "discipline" that insists that it CAN cure your asthma by correcting subluxations in your back? To me it says they're either morons too, or conmen.
 
2006-03-22 12:48:06 PM
whatshisname: Here's the first 5 of the 33 Chiropractic Principles.

Are those real? If so, it doesn't sound much like science to me.
 
2006-03-22 12:48:10 PM
The only chiropractor I liked was the one played by Liz Hurley in that one dumb movie...
 
2006-03-22 12:48:14 PM
If they're "reputable", they usually have a massage therapist who comes in afterwards.

I did this 15 years ago after a baseball to the spine, and it was the best $5 co-pays I've ever spent. Pop my back, neck, and then 20 minutes of a hot girl massaging me until I nearly exploded.

I got well in a hurry.
 
2006-03-22 12:49:59 PM
We need a pic of that garbage can on The Simpsons that could fix back problems.
 
2006-03-22 12:50:33 PM
Call BS all you want. I see one regularly and my shoulders don't hurt anymore. It relieves my wife's migraines, she doesn't even have them when she sees the chiro regularly, and I no longer have neck pain from a biking accident years ago.
 
2006-03-22 12:50:37 PM
If few benefits means getting rid of my wife's back pain, neck pain headaches and finding out she needs lifts in her shoes due to a almost 2 inch difference in leg length and an almost total loss of my cronic sinus headaches then they are right.
 
2006-03-22 12:50:49 PM
Civil_War2_Time For the love of god man, why?
 
2006-03-22 12:51:28 PM
My issue with Chiro is simply this:

If I get an infection, I go to a doctor. The doc will prescribe me something to try and ELIMINATE WHAT IS WRONG.

If I get a back-ache, and I am sent to a chiro, they will only offer a TEMPORARY relief of the pain, which will of course necessitate repeat visits. Whatever the underlying problem is never corrected.

One is actually trying to cure me, one is trying to make feel better for a few weeks. I'd rather take the cure for $100 Alex...
 
2006-03-22 12:52:04 PM
then 20 minutes of a hot girl massaging me until I nearly exploded.

I got well in a hurry.

I think I would have gotton well a little slower if I was you. Especially if that only cost you a $5 copay.

 
2006-03-22 12:52:14 PM
This reminds me of a New England Journal of Medicine article from 1998, full text here: A Comparison of Physical Therapy, Chiropractic Manipulation, and Provision of an Educational Booklet for the Treatment of Patients with Low Back Pain

Basically, physical therapy and chiropractic manipulation were only marginally better than reading a pamphlet on how to keep from hurting your back.

Sure, chiropractic feels good, but so does a massage at your local Asian "spa". The only difference is that the chiropractor's reach-around goes right to your wallet.
 
2006-03-22 12:52:18 PM
I used to have severe pain in my back and neck until my chiropractor worked on me. I go and see him about once every three months to get worked on, and he did a lot more for me than any of the farking physical therapists ever did.

He also does acupressure.

Maybe he's the exception to the rule, but he helped me tremendously. I don't care what anyone says, I trust him.
 
2006-03-22 12:52:23 PM
I dunno, it worked for me when all other options failed. I have a slight hernated (sp?) disk in my lower back and I couldn't even stand up straight.

Two months of weekly visits and I was back to normal.

Regular Doctor said I'd need surgery to cure it and that was over 15 years ago.

I still get pain once or twice a year but I do the excersises the Chiro taught me to do and within a week I'm all better.

/worked for me.
 
2006-03-22 12:52:40 PM
badger58 It relieves my wife's migraines, she doesn't even have them when she sees the chiro regularly

that's only cuz she gets to be away from you
 
2006-03-22 12:53:28 PM
Didn't the BBC do the same thing with dentists years ago?

/An-Unecissarily-Long-Name Once a month?
//For the rest of your life.
///Just fall on a trash can.
////Simpsons?
 
2006-03-22 12:53:29 PM
I think that some people like chiropractors and some think they are quacks, but don't quote me on that.
 
2006-03-22 12:53:29 PM
Bah, they don't do anything a good massage wouldn't do. Massage bonus: happy ending.
 
2006-03-22 12:53:35 PM
This Book suggests that chiropratic care might be a placebo.

I think the book was right in my case.
 
2006-03-22 12:54:08 PM
My mom went to one and they only made things worse. The doctor even recommended that she see them. She is barely able to walk now without pain killers.

The crack your joints, like cracking your knuckles. As people have probably been telling you your whole like, the more you crack your knuckles, the more you will have to crack your knuckles and the worse things will get. Imagine that all over your body and paying someone to do it to you. Sure it feels good right afterwards, but then a week later you need to see them again. They might actually be causing the very problem that you are going to them to fix.
 
2006-03-22 12:54:13 PM
Petey4335: and finding out she needs lifts in her shoes due to a almost 2 inch difference in leg length

Ha, that is the oldest chiro trick in the book.
 
2006-03-22 12:54:29 PM
I've seen some personally that were little more than scammers. But I've also heard stories from friends who had signficant pain relieved without surgery or medication.

I would have no hesitation about going to see the one guy I've had recommended to me by several friends.

But I admit that I'm somewhat skeptical of most of them.
 
2006-03-22 12:54:47 PM
"she needs lifts in her shoes due to a almost 2 inch difference in leg length"

If your "real" doctor missed that you should sue his ass.
 
2006-03-22 12:54:53 PM
darkyn: Are those real? If so, it doesn't sound much like science to me.


Chiropractic was founded by Daniel David Palmer, a known fraud and con-man, in Davenport, Iowa.. He said he received the chiropractic principles from a dead physician Dr. Jim Atkinson during a seance.

Chiropractic is based on crazy batshiat to begin with. They try to downplay this fact, but the historical record remains, as do the writings upon which they base the practice.
 
2006-03-22 12:55:06 PM
I think that the evidence is favorable that spinal manipulation can cure some forms of back pain. I have no problem with that. What I have a major problem with is the theoretic premise of Chiropracty, which is pure pseudoscience.

It's like someone giving you willow bark for your headache and telling you a convoluted story about the spirits of the trees. Yeah, it'll help your headache, but the fairytale that goes along with it is a bunch of baloney.

The unfortunate thing about chiropractics is that a) there is little regulation, b) too many of them try to apply their theory outside of the realm of lower back pain, and c) many of them that do stick to the basics don't really know what they're doing and can put their patients at great risk.

What I would like to see is a serious scientific study of spinal manipulation that would codify, precisely, how and when it should be applied. Do that and bring it into the mainstream medical fold and offer it as a legitimate alternative when it's warranted and you'll put the pseudo-doctors out of business.
 
2006-03-22 12:55:14 PM
www.atlantaillustrated.com
And this smudge here, that looks like my fingerprint? No, that's trauma!
 
2006-03-22 12:55:25 PM
... says a bunch of researchers who make millions pushing pills and suggesting surgery...


My step-mother had severe back pain and went to a doctor who suggested surgery. She opted for 6 months of Chiro treatment and the pain went away. Her doctor, who firmly believes that chiropractic care is a sham refused to believe anything was actually better and continued to suggest surgery.

WTF?

Modern doctors are just pill pushers.

"What hurts?"

"X and Y hurt sir"

"Take this pill and you'll feel better..."

*Rx companies pass handfuls of dollars under the table* the end.
 
Displayed 50 of 344 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | » | Last | Show all



This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report