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2006-03-22 01:10:46 PM  
I think chiro made my back worse.

Cleverly they said "sometimes it gets worse before it gets better" so that no matter what, people would return. I took my back and never came back.

Then I joined TotalFark, and was pain-free. (stretching helped too.)
 
2006-03-22 01:11:42 PM  
Hurt my back in 81 lifting. Lost my achilles reflex and was in severe pain. I was scheduled for surgery and told to call the hospital the day before to get a room. Well, the hospital was full and surgery was canceled.

I did not have the surgery. It took 2 years, but the pain finally went away.
 
2006-03-22 01:12:57 PM  
Physical therapy really works and is effective for some back, joint, muscle pain, etc., and that's what you may get from a reasonable, competent chiropractor. But you may also get a snake-oil salesman who tries to sell you vitamins and thinks spinal manipulation will cure disease that is completely unrelated to your back. You may also go to an MD who just wants to prescribe pills or send you off to a surgeon when there are much less drastic remedies that give your body a chance to repair itself with the trauma of surgery.

Personally, I like sports medicine MDs, because they typically work with physical therapists and will try physical therapy before putting people under the knife. But since they're MDs, they have an actual medical education and aren't fixated on the mythology of spinal manipulation like most chiropractors.
 
2006-03-22 01:13:00 PM  
17 bucks whenever I'm in pain (maybe once a month, maybe once a year) is a lot cheaper than going to a doctor, getting slapped with a co-pay, and the cost of whatever pills he wants me to take. And the relief is immediate.
 
2006-03-22 01:13:35 PM  
I find the article in the Skeptic's Dictionary pretty reasonable on this issue:

For years chiropractors relied more on faith than on empirical evidence in the form of control studies to back up their claims about the wonders of nerve manipulation. This is changing and to some extent so is the relationship between the medical profession and chiropractic. There is a growing body of scientific evidence that chiropractic is effective in the treatment of many lower back ailments and neck injuries. There is some evidence that chiropractic is effective for the treatment of certain kinds of headaches and other pains. The chiropractor is one of the few alternative health practitioners that medical insurance will generally cover. However, the likelihood that diseases such as cancer, for example, will ever be attributed to nerve blockage seem extremely remote. Making extravagant claims about the wonders of chiropractic, or references to the flow of "life forces" which heal the body or to such notions as "bio-energetic synchronization," are not likely to contribute to the advancement of the discipline into mainstream medicine. Likewise, making claims such as that germ theory is wrong, a common chiropractic claim, does little to make chiropractors seem like advanced medical practitioners. To ignore bacteria and viruses, or to underestimate the role of microbes in infections, as chiropractors are wont to do, are not likely to advance their cause. Every misdiagnosis or mistreatment by a chiropractor undermines the whole profession, rather than only the individual malpractitioner, because of the contentious nature of the theory of subluxations.
 
2006-03-22 01:14:29 PM  
Add me to the list of people who had persistent, chronic back problems, headaches and other ailments until they tried chiro.

Physio-therapy was a total con. I think they did more harm than good.

Painkillers and other chemical solutions just raised my tolerance level for painkillers and other chemical solutions.

Within 6 months of going to a chiropractor, my problems were almost non-existant. I haven't been for a chiro session in years and am still better than ever.
 
rp.
2006-03-22 01:15:30 PM  
death_to_idiots :
Then there's:

6. In order to achieve 100% Life, auditing using an E-meter is necessary to eliminate the effects of past traumas.

7. Until you are Clear, the body thetans will continue to prevent your happiness.

7. The million-year war against the servants of Xenu has just begun.


8. ??????????

9. Profit!

/appropriate in both cases, apparently.
 
2006-03-22 01:16:07 PM  
All disease is psychosomatic.
All medicine is placebo.
 
2006-03-22 01:17:56 PM  
My mother went to one for about three years ,with mixed results, for a neck problem. She finally gave up and went to a specialist who diagnosed her with a pinched nerve. She has had no problems since her operation. We went without a lot then because of the bills. Seems the Chiro ignored ,what seem to me now, obvious symptoms of a pinched nerve.

I'm not a doctor, I just play one in the closet with my wife.
 
2006-03-22 01:17:56 PM  
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/obscure?
 
2006-03-22 01:18:05 PM  
Chiropractic and medicine are two different disciplines. Yes they both work with the body but in different ways.

The purpose of chiropractic, as I have been taught, is to ensure the body's nervous system is functioning at 100% so that we can live life to our fullest potential.The brain and nervous system pretty much control every function of the body. A chiropractor, is interested in locating, analyzing and correcting vertebral subluxations. This is a condition where one vertbra loses its juxtapostion with the vertebra above, below or both, such that it occludes the hole where the spinal nerve exits the spine, thus causing an interruption in the impulse traveling to and from the brain. Bascially, think of a garden hose. You can still wter a garden with a crimp in it, but you can do it more efficiently if that crimp is taken away.


Chiropractic has been around 100+ years, surviving an attempt by the AMerican Medical Association to destroy it. Proof of that, look up Chester Wilk et al v. the AMA which ended in about 1988 which pretty much was chiropractic winning an antiturst suit agaisnt the medical world. It is not going anywhere. They earn the right to be called doctor and anyone who thinks otherwise is welcome to take the 7 years of higher education to earn that degree and see if think you should such. No they are not medical doctors. They do not diagnose diseases. Or at least they should not be.


//husband is a chiropractor
 
2006-03-22 01:19:52 PM  
QUACKS!!! ALL OF THEM!!!
 
2006-03-22 01:20:27 PM  
"I'm not a chiropracter, but I play one on TV."
 
2006-03-22 01:21:04 PM  
Wow - some practicers of the high-priced, drug-peddling, rarely-cure-em Western medical establishment question an alternative medical field? I don't believe it.

I went to a Chinese Medical Practioner who practiced chiropracty (?) on me and was very happy with the changes that resulted.

Her theory is that toxins the body has no where to store and weren't excreted are stored in spinal cavities. Spinal minipulation releases them which undo's whaterever ailments they were causing. Say what you will but this theory has been practiced for over 6,000 years.
 
2006-03-22 01:21:29 PM  
I've been to the chiropractor before for lower back pain. As others have said before me, it helped quite a bit. On the other hand, if he said he could help me with my alergies, I'd probably laugh at him.

My sister in law has back problems and went to one. He suggested a treatment of 3 times a week for 6 months and once a week after that. (of course each week was about $100) "Doctors" like that are only after scamming people for as much money as possible.
 
2006-03-22 01:21:41 PM  
But, but, they know about quantum physics. It's true, I saw one in "What the Bleep Do We Know".

/They should change the title to "What the Bleep Are They Dorking About".
 
2006-03-22 01:23:26 PM  
KatWoman: The purpose of chiropractic, as I have been taught, is to ensure the body's nervous system is functioning at 100% so that we can live life to our fullest potential.

What does that even mean?? "Live life to our fullest potential?" Gimme' a break!
 
2006-03-22 01:23:34 PM  
 
2006-03-22 01:23:44 PM  
all you haters should leave chiropracty alone!! now excuse me
i'm late for my phrenologist.
 
2006-03-22 01:24:37 PM  
Gwendolyn: I have more education than him and he insists everyone calls him Doctor. He's such a jackass.

Use the "air quotes" every time you say "Doctor". He'll appreciate it.
 
2006-03-22 01:24:55 PM  
Haha where is the obvious tag?

Didn't you know that Chiropractors get almost all of their money from insurance companies?

Most of them have cordial arrangements with various personal injury lawyers in their area. How do you think a person who has been in a fender bender is able to squeeze the insurance companies for $15,000? Chiropractors!

Real doctors are less likely to commit insurance fraud because they actually have to worry about losing their license to practice medicine.

Of course, the insurance companies brought it on themselves by refusing to pay out on legitimate medical expenses, so I don't really feel sorry for them either.

Insurance is a racket, didn't you know? You pay out the ass for years, and then when it comes time for the insurance company to "protect" you and your interests, they often use false reasons and vague contractual clauses to deny your claim. Then they drop your coverage.

So yeah, insurance companies and chiropractors will burn in hell, mmmmkay?
 
2006-03-22 01:25:00 PM  
All disease is psychosomatic.
All medicine is placebo.


while you are on your visit to the reality-based community, be sure to enjoy our many fine restaurants and museums

The purpose of chiropractic, as I have been taught, is to ensure the body's nervous system is functioning at 100% so that we can live life to our fullest potential.The brain and nervous system pretty much control every function of the body. A chiropractor, is interested in locating, analyzing and correcting vertebral subluxations. This is a condition where one vertbra loses its juxtapostion with the vertebra above, below or both, such that it occludes the hole where the spinal nerve exits the spine, thus causing an interruption in the impulse traveling to and from the brain.

yes, that's what they say, and no, that really is not what causes diseases and disorders that chiropractors claim to be able to treat. and chiropractic subluxations are not something that can be determined scientifically
 
2006-03-22 01:25:01 PM  
More anecdotal evidence here- When I was 11 or 12 I had a pinched nerve in my neck. When playing sports or even just turning around quickly enough would set it off. Very painful. I went to a chiropractor 3 times a week for 1.5 years. I still have the nerve go off but maybe once a year if that often. Before it was happening every other week.

It worked for me. It doesn't for others. Sounds kind of like traditional medical doctors if you ask me.
 
2006-03-22 01:25:58 PM  
About 80% of the stories in here about how chiropractic helped could also be explained by the injury healing itself over the month or two the treatment lasted.
 
2006-03-22 01:26:06 PM  
I was kiddin, albo
 
2006-03-22 01:26:41 PM  
Much of what chiropractors do is nonsense, and they often misinform their patients.


Of course medical doctors have NEVER been guilty of that.

**sheesh**

There are bad chiropractors just as there are bad medical doctors, shoe salesmen, pilots, etc. It doesn't mean that you discount the entire profession.
 
2006-03-22 01:27:16 PM  
I don't think I met one female PT major in college who wasn't hot. Dated one too...sigh.
 
2006-03-22 01:27:34 PM  
Her theory is that toxins the body has no where to store and weren't excreted are stored in spinal cavities. Spinal minipulation releases them which undo's whaterever ailments they were causing

so point out these toxins so the lab can analyze them and locate these spinal cavities so that doctors can examine them.

It worked for me. It doesn't for others. Sounds kind of like traditional medical doctors if you ask me.

sounds kind of like (a) the placebo effect or (b) the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.
 
2006-03-22 01:28:28 PM  
emnar Lower back pain does not go away in a month.

It does not go away in a year.
 
2006-03-22 01:28:30 PM  
KatWoman

"They earn the right to be called doctor and anyone who thinks otherwise is welcome to take the 7 years of higher education to earn that degree and see if think you should such."

That's bunk - I just looked up the requirements for two chiropractic 'colleges' - One of them was 'Palmer' - a respected university in the field. They require a bunch of prerequisite courses that add up to much less than an averages BA or BS, a gpa of 2.5, and then you can complete their entire program in 3 years on the average. That's hardly 'seven years of higher education'. Go ahead and try to even apply to medical school with your 2.5, no degree, and 9 hours of biology classes. They aren't doctors. they are 'doctors of chiropractic' which is like being a doctor of astrology.
 
2006-03-22 01:28:35 PM  
I am a scientist and always thought of chiropractors as quacks..until, my neighbor's kid was cured of his Taurett's syndrome ( the #@$%@ cussing tics where kids endlessly utter profanity). This kid is now near normal and I consider this as a miracle. I cannot understand how the chiropractor did that but now I am taking my ADHD-son to to the same chiro to see if he can help us with that....
 
2006-03-22 01:28:39 PM  
I was kiddin, albo

doesn't that say something about the topic where something so stupid as what you said could be believed as an actual argument? ;)
 
2006-03-22 01:28:57 PM  
Both my parents are osteopaths so.... yeah well anyway.

How can it be considered a placebo if they're relocating something that's out of place ? It's a physical movement. Acupuncture is back by mainly circumstancial evidence, fair enough. But a joint is out of place, click, joint is now in place again, see how you can now turn your head to the left now scenario is not really debatable. It just works.

2006-03-22 12:51:28 PM ObscureNameHere, it's only temporeary if the cause of the pain doesn't go away.
e.g. you have shiat posture, you develop back pain, chiro/osteo/physio sorts it, you continue to have shiat posture, pain comes back. If after the first visit you stretch and exercise the problem shoudl stay fixed. Any therapist of this nature worth their salt will recommend some kind of exercise that will prevent a re-occurence.
And for ppl with permanent injuries of a squashed vertebrae nature, tough doodoo, temporary is all you get. At that point it becomes a trade off between surgery to fuse the affected area and reduce movement or regular physical therapy. Down to preference I guess.

2006-03-22 12:54:08 PM 5000_gallons_of_toothpaste you kinda have a point there, I crick my neck a lot so it's real loose at the top but locks out further down but again temporary injury should be cured reasonably quick with some kind of exercise/movement prescribed to prevent a re-occurence or in the case of a permanent injury suck it up and attend regularly or dose up on pain killers. Down to choise.

As to curing asthma and such, agreed. I'm not convinced. The folks insist that working on the spine in the thorasic region increases circulation therefore reduces congestion (of blood in that area) so helsp in that way and that maintaining good spacing fo the vertebrae means the nerves get more room so there's less constriction likely. Again not sure about that.

But as an engineer calling a physical process of putting something back where it belongs a placebo seems silly.
 
2006-03-22 01:29:24 PM  
http://science.howstuffworks.com/question437.htm
 
2006-03-22 01:29:38 PM  
Like anything, what you get is based on what you expect. You can find anyone, in any profession, who is a sham or misleading.

My father, a licensed plastic surgeon and board certified, has long told me that chiropractic care is a sham. Yet I continue to go. He allows that there may be "something" to some of the things they do. I know there is. I have had chronic back pain for years, and doctors could do little for it. After 2 months of visits to the chiropractor, it has ended. Now, to be fair, I was upfront with the chiro and told him how suspicious I was and how I was having my dad look into his procedures. As a result, my chiro won't offer his services to cure "anything".

But, I will attest that my back problems have ended, and the really great part was once they ended, he started me in his physical therapy program...which ANY doctor could do, admittedly. But his program happens to be very good, and other physicians in the area are now using his program...if not all his services.

Point is, as my father said, "if it works, keep doing it". Good doctors don't claim to have a monopoly on the truth of what care is best, nor what care works. Informing people of the statistics and studies is important and part of their job. He still doesn't believe in chiropractic care. But he does admit that it helped me when others couldn't. And realistically, that's all that matters.
 
2006-03-22 01:29:42 PM  
Chiros are good for realigning bones - that's it.
Beyond that either you heal on your own or you need to get some sort of strengthening or other care.
 
2006-03-22 01:30:05 PM  
Next people will claim Mr. Miyagi is a fraud.
 
2006-03-22 01:31:01 PM  
My story is similar to others here. I hurt myself playing raquetball, could barely get out of bed, extreme pain. Doc said I'd be on strong muscle relaxers for two weeks and unable to attend my college courses. This wasn't an option so I went to the chiropractor. It was extremely painful BUT i'd say 50% of the pain was gone by the time I left his office and I never missed any school.

I've received many massages and I'd have to say 8 out of 10 massage therapists are full of crap. All this talk about increasing blood flow comes from the people who don't actually want to give you a massage, they just want to take it easy but collect the same paycheck.
 
rp.
2006-03-22 01:31:06 PM  
F-bear:
Use the "air quotes" every time you say "Doctor". He'll appreciate it.

That's hilarious, I will definitely do that anyone who insists on being called doctor. Especially PhD's. Not even the most egotistical lawyers insist on being called "doctors" because they have J.D.'s.
 
2006-03-22 01:31:07 PM  
People who believe in chiropractors are probably the same ones that believe in "faith healing", magic vitamins that are supposed to clear the body of "toxins", and the tooth fairy.

Remember, quackery only exists because it's very profitable!
 
2006-03-22 01:31:14 PM  
Many times when I've been ill (flu, pericarditis, pneumonia, et al), I've been to my doctor, he runs some tests, prescribes some medications, and tells me to come back in X amount of time if I'm not feeling better. I've never known of anyone who had a chiropractor treat them once and then pronounce them "cured." Everyone seems ends up with a weekly/montly chiro appointment that extends into years.

While we're dispensing anecdotal evidence: a friend of mine injured herself in gym class in 10th grade trying to vault over the horse. Went to doctor, who told her she'd fractured her tailbone. Gave her pain pills, a butt pillow, and said to let it heal.

A few years later, she began having recurring back pain. Instead of going to a doctor, she went to a chiro for some reason (don't remember her logic). The chiro X-rayed her and said that her spine was crooked, her MD should've caught that, and that she needed regular adjustments. She went weekly for a few years, even though the back pain was getting worse (the chiro explained that it took a long time to straighten a spine, and the pain would get worse before it got better). One morning she couldn't bear to stand upright, her back hurt so badly, so her mom rushed her to ER. Did a bunch of tests; turned out she had a tumor that had been growing (apparently for some time) on the back of her uterus, and was putting increasing pressure on her spine, which was the source of the pain.
 
2006-03-22 01:31:15 PM  
Jacob's Ladder is never obscure gerbopel. Went to see that movie on a 1st date...needless to say a 2nd date did not happen.
 
2006-03-22 01:31:30 PM  
You don't know the history of chiropractic. I do.
 
2006-03-22 01:31:54 PM  
I went to a chiro for years. I finally went to a real doctor after I couldn't move my big toe any more. I had surgery about 3 days later.

If I had stayed at the chiro, I have no doubts that I would have lost the movement in my toe permanently due to nerve damage.
 
2006-03-22 01:32:03 PM  
Chiropractic care is to medical care as Scientology is to Psychiatry.

/I avoid people who go to chiropractors
//mostly gullible, naive types
///morans

But I respect chiropractors, as I like taking money from fools as well.
 
2006-03-22 01:32:20 PM  
I had the flu once. I took something for a week that I later found out was sugar pills. Sugar Pills cured my flu!

All you haters out there who doubt the sugar pills and their healing powers can suck it. Sugar pills worked for me!
 
2006-03-22 01:32:45 PM  
I used to crack my neck by leaning my head side to side 100 times a day. I was having headaches and went to the chiropractor who worked on a friend. He x-rayed my neck, showed me how my neck vertebrae were out of line and suggested weekly adjustments with electic-stim massage and ice after. It worked great and I rarely pop my neck any more.

AND I saved a ton of money on my car insurance by switching to Geico.
 
2006-03-22 01:33:34 PM  
Count me in the Pro, But be Smart About It - Crowd.

I jacked my back up golfing a couple of years ago & was in some pain. It took a few visits, but pain was completely taken care of. Recently fell stepping over a fence & hurt myself again; went back to the same doc & he fixed me up in about 2 visits. I'll keep going about once or twice a month to keep my back in tune.

He doesn't get into the wacky spiritual stuff, but does believe in the interrelationships of the body. He doesn't push or preach, rather he presents info & lets you decide.

He practices what he preaches because you would never believe his age. He is 47 and could *easily* pass for 15 years younger.

Just be smart, get references, & avoid the mystical types.

/my $.02
 
2006-03-22 01:35:10 PM  
Gwendolyn: My brother in law is one. I have more education than him and he insists everyone calls him Doctor. He's such a jackass.

I hate that anyone who's not an MD gets to be called Doctor, especially chiropractors and dentists.
 
2006-03-22 01:35:27 PM  
I cannot understand how the chiropractor did that but now I am taking my ADHD-son to to the same chiro to see if he can help us with that....

There's a much more cost-effective way to deal with ADHD:

*SMACK!!!*

Repeat as needed.
 
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