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2006-03-20 12:54:36 AM  
Unfortunately, three quarters of those that want it legalized are too busy to vote. That's too bad, because virtually 100% of the people who want it illegal either know little to nothing about it, believe in imposing their morals on others or profit from prohibition.

In other news, I just finished smoking a bowl. It's kind of funny, but sad, that the government spends billions every year to fight the drug war, yet weed is as available as ever to virtually whoever wants it.
 
2006-03-20 12:55:00 AM  
I have a wonderful relationship with my dealer currently and I only smoke the best. Any move towards legalization would only cost me and him both a bunch of money.

I say, keep it illegal.

/smokes another bowl
 
2006-03-20 12:55:38 AM  
speedballtucker: t's going to be a while yet, folks.


Just gotta wait for these Baby Boomers to die out
 
2006-03-20 12:58:23 AM  
monty666: Because it's morally wrong to smoke pot. And fun

On the contrary, as a Catholic, nowhere in Canon Law does it state that smoking any substance is morally wrong. It actually doesn't even state that smoking is a sin in any capacity. I know that would also carry over to harder drugs, but you have to take the good with the bad.
 
2006-03-20 12:58:49 AM  
I can already imagine the signs at the soon-to-open hash bars:
img97.imageshack.us
 
2006-03-20 12:58:58 AM  
drugandhealthinfo.org
 
2006-03-20 12:58:58 AM  
But yes, it is oodles and oodles of fun!
 
2006-03-20 12:59:28 AM  
I don't smoke it, but i support decriminalization.

/cops have better things to do
 
2006-03-20 01:00:15 AM  
MIGGO: Reasons why pot will never be legalized...retarded ass white boys like this.

BWAHAHAHAHA!

Ok, I lol'd.
 
2006-03-20 01:00:29 AM  
Taxing the hell out of it will just encourage the continued existance of the black market. If you must tax it, make it reasonable.

That said, criminalizing a farking plant is retarded. Nanny state bullshiat.
 
2006-03-20 01:01:41 AM  
It should be taxed heavily because marijuana is a negative externality. It affects those outside of the production and consumption of it. That's why tobacco and alcohol are heavily taxed. If you want to legalize it, make sure there's some additive that will act as birth control. I'm not paying for all the babies screwed up by weed. As a society, America has proved to be stupid. Americans have food and eat too much. They get fat and blame everyone else. Do you think people will use marijuana in moderation if they won't even do the same with food? America's becoming much less intelligent already. Can we really add something to make it worse?
/doesn't really care either way
//is depressed by the current state of American society
 
2006-03-20 01:01:48 AM  
It doesn't matter how much weed costs. What you do is go get yourself a fantastic piece, and everyone will smoke you down to use it. In the past 2 weeks I've recieved "free samples" of Apollo 11 Bliss ($400/oz.) and Blue Satalite.
 
2006-03-20 01:01:56 AM  
"Laws against plants."
"Laws against plants..."
"Laws against plants!"

Gets weirder every time you say it, doesn't it?

/RIP
 
2006-03-20 01:02:26 AM  
desolationrow: The pharmaceutical industry would take way too heavy a hit if pot ever got legalized

How's that? Everyone who was sick would be too baked to remember to go pick up their percriptions? Legalized and taxed would result mostly result in benifit to government from taxes, pharmacutical companies won't suddenly lose revenue because all these people taking prozac will suddenly realize they don't worry so much about their crappy lives if they're stoned off their asses every minute of the day.

If anything legalization of recreational marijuana would increase pharmacutical revenues... heavy pot smokage induces wang limpage which in turn results in Viagra (or Cialis) percriptionage.
 
2006-03-20 01:02:32 AM  
The US is a big country, and can afford to handle this more scientifically.

Legalize marijuana in three states: Washington, Arkansas and Alabama. That's a fair cross-section.

Now give it a year and observe the results. If all's well and good and those states don't collapse in flames, then put nationwide legalization up to a vote.

But if all isn't well and good and they do collapse in flames, then the dangers become obvious, and all the US loses is Washington, Arkansas and Alabama, which is more of a win than a loss.
 
2006-03-20 01:03:09 AM  
Wake 'n Bake


Unfortunately, three quarters of those that want it legalized are too busy to vote. That's too bad, because virtually 100% of the people who want it illegal either know little to nothing about it, believe in imposing their morals on others or profit from prohibition.


three quarters of those that want it legalized are too busy to vote


Too busy......watching Southpark, eating Funions and listening to phish?
 
2006-03-20 01:04:09 AM  
Five Minute Standup: What you do is go get yourself a fantastic piece, and everyone will smoke you down to use it.

I don't like "people" in my "house."
 
2006-03-20 01:04:14 AM  
The reason it isn't legal is not because it's, "no big deal" as the people who use it suggest. I mean everyone knows the story of Hemp and its uses. It's a HUGE deal to any ruling class or body for obvious reasons and you don't have to be a stoner to see that the western model of culture has failed completely. population, violence, wars, priest craft of all sorts.

Humanity is completely out of control.
 
2006-03-20 01:05:14 AM  
RTFA!

Forty-six percent of respondents -- including a majority of those polled on the east (53 percent) and west (55 percent) coasts -- say they support allowing states to regulate marijuana in a manner similar to alcohol. Forty-nine percent of respondents opposed taxing and regulating cannabis, and five percent were undecided.

OK, I know they're teaching all this new math and stuff, but is 46% a majority now??

once upon a time 49 was more than 46...but that was before the math teachers spent their weekends toking up, I guess...
 
2006-03-20 01:05:24 AM  
If pot was legalized, that would mean that the police would actually have to get off of their asses and solve real crimes. Not to mention, what would all of those judges, district attournys, lawyers, legislators, probation officers, and drug testing centers do if they had to find another racket? Oh my, I think I just found out why it was criminalized in the first place! The whole ship would sink if not for the steady stream of hippies having to sell their VW bus'es for bail money, court costs, fines, manditory-court ordered drug testing urine-anaylisis plus counciling and asinine drug and alcohol classes just for getting caught puffing the magic dragon.

BTW, heavily taxing pot wouldn't mean anything if it was legalized. It grows easily enough, why do you think they call it weed?
 
2006-03-20 01:05:25 AM  
I put together a post and spent about fifteen minutes rewriting and tweaking but in the end, I had to admit that although the premise was good, it just wasn't working out. The first part, about high taxes on telephone service, was good. But I couldn't tie it together and finish it off at an acceptable level of wit. It just sounded forced. So I just wanted you to know that I wasn't going waste your time with a post that just, well, didn't have much to offer.
 
2006-03-20 01:05:36 AM  
How, exactly, does one legislate marijuana?
 
2006-03-20 01:07:01 AM  
The government criminalizes what it can't regulate...
 
2006-03-20 01:07:05 AM  
raedon

wow man... wow.

\down with weed.
\\no wait... i'm down with weed
\\\smoke
 
2006-03-20 01:07:18 AM  
LOLZERS Zogby iz a lozer.
 
2006-03-20 01:07:24 AM  
Raedon: you don't have to be a stoner to see that the western model of culture has failed completely.

Um... how?

Would you prefer living in a hut in Africa? If Western culture is such a failure, I take it you don't participate in it, instead choosing to live in a self sustaining yurt or something.
 
2006-03-20 01:08:34 AM  
Dihnekis:Damn you guys pay a lot for weed. My friend that smokes pays about $30 for 1/4th of mids, $50-60 for an 1/8th of the good shiat.

Mids are either good shwag or terrible nugz. $50-$60 for a good 1/8th of nugz is standard in the north where we can get the dankest from our friendly liberal brother's in Cantadia. Over $100 for a quarter is a great price for highs... if we were in the netherlands we'd pay 1/3 as much for the dankest of the dank (because it's legal)
 
2006-03-20 01:09:08 AM  
tarrant84: Would you prefer living in a hut in Africa? If Western culture is such a failure, I take it you don't participate in it, instead choosing to live in a self sustaining yurt or something.

You're right, the dude's off base.

I haven't read this whole thread, so you may have already posted it, but I'd be interested to know where you stand on weed. I vaguely recall you saying you'd like to smoke it, but worry about the repercussions for government jobs, law school, etc?
 
2006-03-20 01:10:12 AM  
col235555: Not to mention, what would all of those judges, district attournys, lawyers, legislators, probation officers, and drug testing centers do if they had to find another racket? Oh my, I think I just found out why it was criminalized in the first place!

So you're saying that back when weed was made illegal in 1937, the legislature said "Hmmmm... what would give us an excuse to create district attorneys, lawyers, probation officers, drug testing centers, and more police to enforce something... I know! Make marijuana illegal!"

Could it possibly be that weed being illegal actually CAUSED the government expansion?
 
2006-03-20 01:11:22 AM  
Raedon

"the western model of culture has failed completely"

Um... are you sure about that? Look out your window and tell me if there's anarchy in the streets. You say "humanity is completely out of control"; I'd like to know who exactly you'd like to be "controlling" it. Human society is an organic, emergent process and to suggest that our culture is a "failure" is just ignorant. The fact that we have some major issues and some stupid laws to deal with doesn't take us anywhere near "failure". Sorry.
 
2006-03-20 01:11:26 AM  
As much as I would LIKE this to be true, I seriously doubt the accuracy of this for two reasons.

Reason #1:
according to a national poll of 1,004 likely voters

OK, so they polled one thousand people... the current estimated US population is (according to the US Census Bureau) 298,337,379. Maybe it's just me, but doesn't a poll of 1,000 people seem to be kind of a small sample size when trying to gauge the opinion of around 300 million people?

Reason #2:
Forty-six percent of respondents -- including a majority of those polled on the east (53 percent) and west (55 percent) coasts

Maybe I'm reading to much into that, but I imagine that with such a small sample size they may have been too heavily polling people on the coasts. We have a big country, and we "coasties" might want to keep in mind that a whole lot of people live in the area *between* the east and west coasts - and they get their own say too.
 
2006-03-20 01:12:01 AM  
Legalization for the purpose of gaining tax revenues will not happen. I can grow pounds in my basement at least twice a year. I can turn around and sell that on the black market tax free regardless of legality.

At the same time, I can grow shiatloads more outdoors once a year that the goverment wouldn't know about and be able to tax.

Keep in mind that legal weed is not a license for everyone to puff their brains out. Employers would still be able to piss test everyone and if you get into a car accident while under an influence that the cops can prove, you will be just as farked as a drunk driver.

The "free for all" will never happen.
 
2006-03-20 01:12:42 AM  
shouldn't a_mighty_wind be here by now?
 
2006-03-20 01:13:48 AM  
mongbiohazard: Maybe it's just me, but doesn't a poll of 1,000 people seem to be kind of a small sample size when trying to gauge the opinion of around 300 million people?

You fail STAT 101.

1,000 is a decent number to guage American opinion, if the sample is randomly selected. Also, they put the margin of error in the article.
 
2006-03-20 01:13:54 AM  
Alveen

It would hit the pharmaceutical industry because weed is a very effective painkiller. Most drugs on the market have no medical value, but they act as painkillers. Headache pills, arthritis, all sorts of drugs designed not to cure anything, but to make symptoms tolerable. If people could just smoke a few bowls with no side-effects rather than take pills that cost insane amounts, it's not hard to see the decline in profit. Anything from menstrual painkillers to headaches to cancer would be hit.
 
2006-03-20 01:13:55 AM  
hitchking: I haven't read this whole thread, so you may have already posted it, but I'd be interested to know where you stand on weed. I vaguely recall you saying you'd like to smoke it, but worry about the repercussions for government jobs, law school, etc?

Yep. I drink a lot and I have a feeling it's probably not good for my health... but law school and work are high stress.

In terms of policy, I think when the most dangerous aspect of a controlled substances are the legal ramifications, we have a big problem. The most serious side effect of weed is you could be arrested, lose your financial aid, and face a possible felony for it. On top of that, the punishments we incur for it really end up screwing people who would otherwise be fine.

I went to school with a pothead, perfectly normal kid, got caught with it and now he has a 'paper felony'. He can't get a job or major in anything professional. His life sucks now-- not because he smoked, but because he got caught smoking weed (had a pound saved up for the year).
 
2006-03-20 01:14:08 AM  
2006-03-20 01:02:26 AM Alveen


desolationrow: The pharmaceutical industry would take way too heavy a hit if pot ever got legalized

How's that? Everyone who was sick would be too baked to remember to go pick up their percriptions? Legalized and taxed would result mostly result in benifit to government from taxes, pharmacutical companies won't suddenly lose revenue because all these people taking prozac will suddenly realize they don't worry so much about their crappy lives if they're stoned off their asses every minute of the day.

If anything legalization of recreational marijuana would increase pharmacutical revenues... heavy pot smokage induces wang limpage which in turn results in Viagra (or Cialis) percriptionage.


Heavy pot smoking has nothing to do with erectile dysfunction.

Also, the pharm industry would lose out because pot could replace a large number of drugs. Think about it - most drugs cure nothing, but just treat the symptoms. Pot also can treat the symptoms of many illnesses, such as cancer.
 
2006-03-20 01:14:33 AM  
...and for the non- math-challenged,

1004/(300,000,000) is about .00033466667 % of the population.

a "statistically valid sample" ????

OK, 'likely voters', right? not the whole population, just
the 129,000,000 who are the 64% of eligible ( registered ) voters who actually show up and vote, right?
so 1004/(129,000,000) brings it all the way up to .000778%


Numbers from 2004 election
 
2006-03-20 01:14:54 AM  
mongbiohazard

You'd be surprised how small a sample size is necessary to get a 3% margin of error.
 
2006-03-20 01:16:17 AM  
lmacker: 1004/(300,000,000) is about .00033466667 % of the population.

a "statistically valid sample" ????


Ha ha ha. You also fail STAT 101.
 
2006-03-20 01:17:24 AM  
Shiftless: Just gotta wait for these Baby Boomers to die out

Excuse me, us boomers grew up in the 60's.
Google Woodstock
Don't blame us for this.
 
2006-03-20 01:17:36 AM  
elchip

/Doesn't smoke it
//Never has
///Probably never will
////But legalize it already


Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
2006-03-20 01:18:12 AM  
Raedon

...you don't have to be a stoner to see that the western model of culture has failed completely. population, violence, wars, priest craft of all sorts.

Humanity is completely out of control.


And the viable alternative is...???
 
2006-03-20 01:19:16 AM  
lmacker
...and for the non- math-challenged,

IIRC, you can get a pretty small (3 or 4%) margin of error with 500 or so randomly selected people, so yeah, it is a statistically useful sample with a small margin of error.
 
2006-03-20 01:19:44 AM  
img71.imageshack.us
Hey! Hey Raedo! Hey!
Didja ever post in a Fark thread...
ON WEED???
 
2006-03-20 01:20:58 AM  
Detry

Did anybody tell the author of that cartoon that cocaine is Schedule II? They still use it an as anesthetic.
 
2006-03-20 01:22:20 AM  
lmacker: ...and for the non- math-challenged,

So you're leaving yourself out of this one, huh?

/took Stats in college about 20 years ago and still remembers that
 
2006-03-20 01:22:24 AM  
Legalize it already. There are more important things to bust people for. Some guy out burning a doob is less of a threat than most people who have had too much to drink at a bar.
 
2006-03-20 01:23:08 AM  
Anti-depressants, anti-anxiety, pain killers, glaucoma...yeah, I think the pharmaceutical companies have a bit to lose if weed were to be legalized. Then you get into the whole hemp business and the industries that would be hurt by that. A lot of people have a lot to lose with legalization. And again, this is coming from someone who doesn't use it.
 
2006-03-20 01:24:56 AM  
Probably the same half of Americans who DIDN'T vote for a proven dumbass in the last presidential election.
 
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