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jph
2006-03-15 11:48:48 AM
canyoneer:

What's with the "boy" and "son" bullshiat, gramps? And my car gets 30+mpg and has a 1.8 liter engine. No SUV here.
 
2006-03-15 11:49:07 AM
Dansker

Well, according to proponents of abiogenic oil, there might actually be oil IN Uranus.

!!!

?O rlmnt?
 
2006-03-15 11:50:30 AM
So why doesn't this news drop oil prices?

(sarcastic/rhetorical question so STFU with your explanation)
 
2006-03-15 11:51:15 AM
tman17m

It's what you do if you're entirely unoriginal and obnoxious enough to dredge up a dead cliche and try to pass it off as your own humor. The "I work for" cliche was funny perhaps the first time it was ever posted, but like the ten thousandth time you heard some dumbass yell "WHATTTTT" or "YEEAHHHHHH" from Chappelle's Show, or quote lines from mediocre Ben Stiller movies, it generally just annoys the fark out of everyone.

/have u guys heard those HALARIUS Chuck Norris facts!?!11
 
2006-03-15 11:51:27 AM
Great Ceasars Toast - you should know that we have learned a bit more about oil and its creation since the theory you espouse about its creation was first entertained. There are differente types of oil, created in different ways. Some oil is quite "young", whereas some oil is quite "old". Oil is being created today, and old oil wells are being replenished by that oil as it works it's way up from below. Granted, it's a slow process and DOUBLY GRANTED we are using it up faster than it is being created (we think, and probably so). Some oil amounts to nothing more than banked solar energy. In reality oil is WAY too valuable in the long term to be used as a burn for power substance but we are doing that because we have a free market and it's convenient. That will be changing. Twenty years from now we will not be powering our vehicles with gasoline.

GADZOOKS - most of our power comes from the sun and it's going to burn out some day - get me a tinfoil hat and a joint.
 
2006-03-15 11:52:02 AM
PartyGirl

I'd hit it like the oil hits the anus.

/wouldn't go there though
//unless asked politely
 
2006-03-15 11:52:11 AM
canyoneer
"Oil shale" (organic marlstone): The energy of the future that will always be the energy of the future.

Will be handy for plastics one day. Once we get this whole "controlled fusion" thing worked out for the vast amoung of energy input needed to make it into something useful.

All the talk of "oil shale" reminds me of the plotline for "Reign of Fire" - the dragons burned the world because they could only eat the ash. But, of course, ash is what you get when you take organic it matter and react it with oxygen to liberate all its free energy.
 
2006-03-15 11:52:16 AM
2006-03-15 11:27:50 AM bobvila136

Never mind Abiogenic petroleum generation.. (oil from rocks, not dead plants/animals)

Oh, great, another abiotic oil lunatic. If oil is abiotic and basically infinite and Peak Oil is all a hoax, why does US oil production keep dropping year after year?

i25.photobucket.com
 
2006-03-15 11:53:31 AM
root88: If there really are 600 billion barrels in Colorado, our strategy is awesome. Suck the world completely dry and then sell our oil at 10X the current rate.

Exactly, this is why I oppose drilling in Alaska, for now.
 
2006-03-15 11:53:38 AM
bobvila136: "Abiogenic petroleum" is a crackpot theory believed by a few fringe characters and is belied by all of the science built up around the petroleum industry in the last 100 years. FYI, the professionals use the biogenic theory of petroleum formation, it is internally consistent, and is quite accurate in prediction in the field.

But don't let that discourage you. After all, there are a couple of crackpot Ukranians who push the baloney. Oh, and BTW, why don't you cite one example of a depleted oil field that has ever refilled with "abiogenic oil."

Pbbbbt.
 
2006-03-15 11:55:16 AM
tman17m: are these people bots or what? what is going on here???

Even though it's old, the "I work for..." cliche has claimed yet another victim.
 
2006-03-15 11:56:01 AM
root88:
If there really are 600 billion barrels in Colorado, our strategy is awesome. Suck the world completely dry and then sell our oil at 10X the current rate.

Your plan is a failure.
While you're secretly hoarding your supplies, the rest of the world is getting rid of its dependency.
By the time you spring you secret stash, it will be worthless. Worthless!!
Muahahahahahaha.
 
2006-03-15 11:56:38 AM
Good. Maybe this can help Mexico improve its economy to a point where fewer and fewer of its citizens feel the need to flee en masse.

The corruption will still be there, so who knows how much this will trickle down.
 
2006-03-15 11:58:29 AM
Wow, that's almost 120 days of oil at current world levels of consumption - we're saved!

Source: BP speech, citing 85 million barrels consumed worldwide per day

/Just putting it in perspective before the BushCo jocks proclaim salvation
 
2006-03-15 11:58:35 AM
I am curious as to how this is being announced as a discovery. I remember learning about this in school in Spring of 2000. I don't know how one can discover it six years later.
 
2006-03-15 11:59:01 AM
Does it mean the US government will be Mexico's whore ?

Only if we depend on the Homeland Security Department. Of course, Texas will defend itself, the rest of you guys do whatever you want. Call us. We'll do lunch or something.
 
2006-03-15 12:00:10 PM
PartyGirl: At the rate we're going with prices, by the time I retire I will just have my Social Security check go straight to Exxon.

You actually believe someone you age is going to get a Social Security Check. That is hilarious.

/Damm, PartyGirl is cute.
//I wonder what her mom looks like.
///Yea, I that old.
 
2006-03-15 12:00:22 PM
When trying to determine whether or not a scientific hypothesis is useful, one rule of thumb that often comes in handy is this: if a hypothesis is worthwhile, you can use it to make accurate predictions.

For example: for over a century oil geologists have used the organic oil theory to find new oil deposits (i.e., organic oil theory states that ancient sea beds are a good place to look, and sure enough a lot of oil discoveries have been found in ancient sea beds). But nobody using the abiotic oil theory has ever been able to find an oil field based on that information. This suggests that abiotic oil theory is pure bullpoop.
 
2006-03-15 12:01:05 PM
From some comedian when Mexico first got into oil big -

We got the oil
We got the oil
And that's all that it takes
We got the oil
So Ernest Gallo
Pick your own damn grapes!
 
2006-03-15 12:01:35 PM
This new discovery by Mexico will fuel the worlds energy needs (sans Nascar) throughout the entire summer*.

(*summer being july and august only)
 
2006-03-15 12:02:03 PM
Sparhawk.

Maybe its not bubbling up as fast as we are pumping it. The solution is to drill deeper.
 
2006-03-15 12:02:24 PM
Canyoneer - I can sight one - Long Beach, California. There are several others in Texas. The same crackpot thinking led to the discovery that there are bacteria living at ridiculously high temperatures in the Gulf of Mexico that eat sulfur as their main food and decompose into high sulfur oil. Folks who suggested this were also described as crackpots - along with the Wright brothers and assorted others.

FYI - when the Earth was created there were enormous amounts of methane hydrate present. These same methane hydrates can be turned into oil at great heat and pressure (like from deep within the earth).

However, we are still using it up faster than it is being created.
 
2006-03-15 12:03:37 PM
Does this mean that I can cross the border illegally and go work on an oil platform in Mexico, and then biatch and complain when Mexican authorities don't think I have some God-given right to be there?
 
2006-03-15 12:07:11 PM
2006-03-15 12:02:03 PM BlueDog

Maybe its not bubbling up as fast as we are pumping it. The solution is to drill deeper.

Yeah, that must be it.
 
2006-03-15 12:08:44 PM
jph: Hucksters have been flogging the very very bad investment called "oil shale" in Colorado for a long, long time. Over 100 years, in fact. Around here it's a joke. Every time petroleum gets high, a new gaggle of rubes from back East invests a load of moolah in their "new, innovative approach" to "unlocking the wealth" in "oil shale." Invariably, they stick to it for a few years before slinking away from their abandoned workings with significantly thinner wallets than when they arrived.

The latest "innovative approach" involves drilling huge bore holes into which giant electrical resistance heaters will be inserted to "cook" the "oil shale" for an unspecified number of years until the bitumen can be drawn off for retorting.

Naturally, these huge heaters will require the construction of the largest *coal-fired* electrical generating station in the history of the Mountain West, which will be dedicated to "cooking" the "oil shale" exclusively (no electricity for people), which will then be piped or trucked out of state, leaving Colorado (and millions of people downstream in the Southwest) with no water, the coal in N.W. Colorado played out, jillions of tons of air pollution, and a big stinking slag heap where people used to hunt elk and grouse.

So, you can flog the old "oil shale" con to someone else, son. It's a rook, and it'll never work. It takes more energy to produce than it yields. That was true 100 years ago, and it's still true today. Believe it or not, the laws of thermodynamics haven't changed in the meantime.
 
2006-03-15 12:09:02 PM
Its ok people. I will simply invent a way to supply all of our power needs by willpower. All we are going to need is a supply of Willis', Williams, and Willards.
 
2006-03-15 12:10:10 PM
BlueDog:
Maybe its not bubbling up as fast as we are pumping it. The solution is to drill deeper.

Heh, good one.
 
2006-03-15 12:10:23 PM
2006-03-15 12:02:24 PM dhudd

Canyoneer - I can sight one - Long Beach, California. There are several others in Texas.

Can you "sight" it with a link?

The same crackpot thinking led to the discovery that there are bacteria living at ridiculously high temperatures in the Gulf of Mexico that eat sulfur as their main food and decompose into high sulfur oil.

How is this relevant? Can they decompose at a rate that supports 84 mbd of oil consumption?

Folks who suggested this were also described as crackpots - along with the Wright brothers and assorted others.

But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.

-Carl Sagan
 
2006-03-15 12:11:09 PM
dhudd: "I can sight one - Long Beach, California. There are several others in Texas."

Sources? I'd really like to see your sources, because I'm somewhat familiar with the topic.
 
2006-03-15 12:11:22 PM
pedrop357

Not much if any
 
2006-03-15 12:14:52 PM
canyoneer Google "oil fields refilled". It appears that there is somethign to it, though i tmight just be biogenic oil from deeper deposits, or not happenign at all. It might also be from the Oily Spaghetti Monster of the Deep.
 
2006-03-15 12:15:50 PM
I remember, back in the day, when findin' oil was as easy as shootin' at some food.
 
2006-03-15 12:19:54 PM
so how long until mexico "has" wmd's? or are you guys going with the terrorist angle?
 
2006-03-15 12:19:54 PM
Ch, everyone knows that we'd never bomb Mexico; that's where Jesus lives.
 
2006-03-15 12:20:00 PM
what would the repiglicans do if Mexico ever became a 1st world country?

the mind reels...
 
2006-03-15 12:21:12 PM
Der Poopflinger
so how long until mexico "has" wmd's? or are you guys going with the terrorist angle?

I am thinking the spread of workable democracy. Its not like they have had a legitimate election where the candidate lived...ever.
 
2006-03-15 12:22:15 PM
"The Fox administration"

/that made me feel uneasy for a second
 
2006-03-15 12:22:50 PM
I_C_Weener go with that one, it makes it all seem less made up and excuse-ish.
 
BN0
2006-03-15 12:25:28 PM
canyoneer

I've read "Twilight". I agree that the Saudi numbers are a matter of debate. I was just making a point as to the near insignificance of the new MEX 10 bbl discovery.

And 10 bbl won't last us 120 days. It will take so long to pump it out that demand will outstrip this meager supply increase before it's even relevant. Good for MEX maybe way down the road, but it doesn't mean much for the rest of the planet today or even tomorrow.
 
jph
2006-03-15 12:26:27 PM
canyoneer:

So these hucksters include the DoE? And take your condescending attitude and shove it up your ass.
 
2006-03-15 12:28:50 PM
I always enjoy this abiotic proof:

"I buried my cat and got bones and dust. Not one drop of oil!"
 
2006-03-15 12:29:10 PM
I_C_Weener: "Google 'oil fields refilled.'"

I've googled it, and I've had lengthy conversations on the subject with petroleum engineers, seismologists, and geophysicists. These aren't latte-drinking commie college perfessers, mind you, but hard-headed industry people who've been in exploration and production for years. They poo-poo the theory, and point out that any instances where reservoirs refilled were minor and easily explainable by migration of petroleum from adjacent structures, which furthermore has been confirmed by analysis of the biological markers of the oil in question. All (very deep and thus very expensive, technically difficult) wells drilled (in OK, Sweden, and Russia/Ukraine) to test the "abiogenic" theory have been dry holes, except in OK, where they struck MOLTEN SULPHUR. Hey, maybe we can run our lawnmowers on MOLTEN SULPHUR!

But even on the slim chance that this theory is true, it is irrelevant. It is obvious and plainly observable that any "abiogenic" recharging of reservoirs occurs at such a slow rate as to be meaningless. IOW, if this is true, we can expect a brand new full global complement of petroleum in about 7 million years. Yipee! better go buy that new SUV! There'll be plenty of gas for it in 7 million years!
 
2006-03-15 12:36:10 PM
CornFedIowan: Even though it's old, the "I work for..." cliche has claimed yet another victim.

At least somebody finally took all of the spaces and blank lines out of the farking thing.
 
2006-03-15 12:37:32 PM
ratboy
"I buried my cat and got bones and dust. Not one drop of oil!"

It worked with that hooker. You must have done something wrong. Maybe I said too much.
 
2006-03-15 12:40:34 PM
canyoneer I think the best we can hope for if abiogenisis is real is for the current supply of oil to last longer. It cannot be replinished at the rate it is being used.

Even if the core of the earth is pure oil, we will only have a larger supply of the stuff.

But MOLTEN SULFUR...Cool! That stuff makes a good garage band.
 
2006-03-15 12:41:22 PM
jph: "So these hucksters include the DoE? And take your condescending attitude and shove it up your ass."

The DoE is a nuclear weapons and waste bureaucracy. They are told by politicians to flog oil shale, which is a con. These are the same politicians whose brilliant response to our energy predicament was to invade and occupy Iraq, which is working out swimmingly, as we all know. So, yes, if the DoE is pushing "oil shale," they're hucksters, or desperate, or both. Of course, this could be simply another Rube Goldberg scheme to defraud the taxpayers through a slick "tax credits" paper shuffle, too. In fact, that's probably exactly why the DoE is pushing it.

As to a "condescending attitude," I love how flatlanders flippantly and casually propose turning the West into their garbage dump, bombing range, and "national sacrifice area," but then get huffy and complain about "condescension" when one of the locals squawks. So, shove your oil shale baloney up your own condescending ass, Bozo. We don't want your pointless destruction and industrial sacrifice zone.
 
2006-03-15 12:42:33 PM
///why does US oil production keep dropping year after year?
///

Because we refuse to allow new refineries to be built?Hmm?
 
2006-03-15 12:44:12 PM
2006-03-15 12:42:33 PM MickCollins

Because we refuse to allow new refineries to be built?Hmm?

Umm... that's unrefined crude there buddy.
 
2006-03-15 12:44:29 PM
Anyone who thinks this oil discovery will somehow help ordinary Mexicans or reduce immigration: Look at Nigeria. It probably won't be that bad, but the money sure won't make it to the people, that's for sure.

As for Peak Oil: Given current reserves, we have 20-30 years left. I'll generously assume that future finds will increase that by another 10-15 years. Except also demand is increasing, thanks in part to China and India modernizing (although the US is also expected to increase demand by 10 mbd iirc), so it will probably be less than that. I'd get some harder numbers, but that would require work.

Anyway, with Oil it won't be so much a matter of "running out" as being priced out. Prices are staying fairly level in the $60-$70 range now, but expect them to skyrocket when, for example, we go to war with Iran; in any case, I expect close to $100/barrel by the end of the year. By the end of the decade, it could be up to $150 (and that's not factoring in the collapse of the dollar and catastrophic inflation that will result from the imminent depression). Think in terms of $5, $6 per gallon. By the end of the next decade, gas for car fuel will be inconcievably expensive.

The only alternative that has any hope as far as I can see is produce-derived (corn, sugar, elephant grass) Biodiesel. But, from what I understand, it would take something like 7 times the surface of the Earth to grow enough crops to feed our fuel demand, according to thermodynamics. The problem is that this source derives its energy from the sun, and oil is basically millions of years of sun-derived energy compressed. So we need to use less energy.

So, here's what we need to do to save civilization:
First and foremost, guarantee a good education to everyone in the world- Not for humanitarian, social, or economic reasons, but because educated people produce fewer babies, demographically.

Second, we need to implement off-the-shelf technology into all cars, trucks, and SUVs to improve their fuel efficiency. Ford, for example, could instantly nearly double their fleet fuel efficiency doing this. This will buy us more time to convert the economy to survive without oil.

Third, we need to immediately stop all urban sprawl into valuable farmland and ensure that all cities have sufficient nearby food sources, because there will one day be no such thing as a refrigerated semi.

Fourth, we need to begin what could be described as an orgy of building biodiesel refineries.

And Fifth, we should convert to Wind and Geothermal electricity production.

Also I reccommend building underground- Sure, it's more expensive initially, but the energy savings from all that dirt insulation is more than worth it. Also, this frees up more surface for farming close to or inside cities, reducing energy use by reducing transportation distance.

This isn't like in Civilization where technology is going to just keep getting better and better- Before the end of the century, we will regress. Prepare for the long, slow slide backwards.

(oh, and because someone mentioned it: trickle-down economics is bunk because the poor spend money but the rich invest money for a return greater than their investment!)
 
2006-03-15 12:44:45 PM
Kick their ass,
Take their gas!
 
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