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(Guardian)   Statue of Liberty to be wind-powered. Now you can say that New York blows with pride   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 62
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2006-03-11 02:50:05 PM
IT'S IN NEW JERSEY, GODDAMMIT.
 
2006-03-11 02:55:00 PM
No, the actual statue is New York's. All the water and mud SURROUNDING it is New Jersey's.
 
2006-03-11 03:04:30 PM
I used to live near Liberty State Park and I would bike there often*, I can testify that that area was windy as all get out.


*amazing damn view. New York Harbor, downtown Manhattan and Statue of Libery's ass.
 
2006-03-11 03:15:42 PM
Gosling: No, the actual statue is New York's. All the water and mud SURROUNDING it is New Jersey's.

Yeah, just like all the "New York" sports teams.

It RESIDES in New Jersey.
 
2006-03-11 03:46:39 PM
They're gonna place a windmill between her ears.

I never knew she was a blond.
 
2006-03-11 03:57:30 PM
It's in NJ, but the only access is from NY.

/least it used to be that way
 
2006-03-11 03:57:52 PM
Picture of planned system:

i2.tinypic.com
 
2006-03-11 03:58:51 PM
New York, New Jersey, who cares. The headline is applicable.
 
2006-03-11 03:59:10 PM
"Give me your tired, your poor. Your huddled masses yearning to be blown."
 
2006-03-11 04:01:26 PM
The Bush administration has often been accused of a purely symbolic commitment to clean energy. <- from TFA

Isn't that exactly what this is?
 
2006-03-11 04:01:37 PM
FTFA: Thanks to emergency generators, the statue's torch was one of the only lights left shining in New York when a power failure across the northeastern US in 2003 plunged the city into darkness.

Yeah, thank goodness for them generators keeping the torch lit, otherwise there would have been complete pandemonium because nobody would have been able to stay sane during the blackout without it.

GG guys.
 
2006-03-11 04:06:05 PM
It RESIDES in New Jersey.

From Wikipedia:

It is sometimes said by New Jersey boosters that "the Statue of Liberty is actually in New Jersey." (In one extreme example, a 1994 newspaper article quoted one Richard Boggiano of Jersey City as insisting that the proper street address of the Statue of Liberty is One Communipaw Avenue, Jersey City). Such statements are incorrect. As noted above, Liberty Island has been owned by the Federal government since 1800. It is within the territorial jurisdiction of the State of New York, a status that was reaffirmed by an 1834 compact between New York and New Jersey, and which has never been officially disputed.

The belief that Liberty Island is "in" New Jersey could be a mistaken inference from three facts:

Liberty Island's proximity to Jersey City;
its appearance on maps on the New Jersey side of the state line;
New Jersey's victory in a 1998 lawsuit with New York over the ownership of Ellis Island.
It is indisputable that Liberty Island is much closer to Jersey City than it is to New York City. One reminder of this is furnished by the special New Jersey license plate celebrating Liberty State Park in Jersey City, and featuring a picture of the Statue of Liberty.

It is also indisputable that maps draw the boundary between New Jersey and New York in the center of the Hudson River, with Liberty Island situated well on the New Jersey side of the line. The State of New Jersey in fact does retain the riparian rights to all the submerged land surrounding the statue, extending eastward to the boundary line. Perhaps a case can be made for language to the effect that Liberty Island is "geographically" within New Jersey's borders. But New Jersey has never claimed any legal rights to the dry land of Liberty Island. Also, according to the USGS, Liberty Island is located in New York's 8th Congressional District.

The islands of New York harbor have been part of New York since the issuance in 1664 of the colonial charter that created New Jersey (see charter text). This charter stated that New Jersey "bounded by the Hudson River" rather than from the middle channel, as was common in other colonial charters. That is, as everyone understood at the time, the NY-NJ border did not go through the center of the river channel as one might naturally assume. An 1834 compact between New York and New Jersey, which primarily concerned the status of Staten Island, set the boundary line between the States as the middle of the Hudson River but reaffirmed that Staten Island and the other islands belonged to New York.

The Ellis Island lawsuit concerned a special situation. Ellis Island is mostly constructed of artificial infill. New Jersey argued and the court agreed that the 1834 compact covered only the natural parts of the island, and not the portions added by infill. Thus it was agreed that the parts of the island made of filled land belonged to New Jersey while the original natural part belonged to New York. (This proved impractical to administer and New Jersey and New York subsequently agreed to share jurisdiction of the entire island). This special situation only applies to Ellis Island and part of Shooter's Island. The natural islands such as Staten Island, Liberty Island, and Prall's Island were not and are not in dispute.

Despite the legal details, some New Jersey residents feel aggrieved that the proximity of the Statue of Liberty to New Jersey is not well known to the general public. This is best understood as part of their wider complaint that "New Jersey gets no respect."[1]. Given the proximity of Liberty Island to Jersey City, it is understandable that Jersey City residents could be annoyed at the frequent association of the Statue of Liberty with New York City.

New Jersey provides all the utilities to both Ellis Island and Liberty Island, such as electricity, water, and sewage.
 
2006-03-11 04:07:42 PM
Woo hoo, my second greenlight ever! :)

It might be New Jersey's, but the wind will be coming from Pennsylvania and New York.
 
2006-03-11 04:08:14 PM
Diogenes
It's in NJ, but the only access is from NY.


Not anymore. You can take the ferry from Libery State Park to Liberty Island.
 
2006-03-11 04:09:50 PM
Sum Dum Phuk:

FTFA: Thanks to emergency generators, the statue's torch was one of the only lights left shining in New York when a power failure across the northeastern US in 2003 plunged the city into darkness.

***

Yeah, thank goodness for them generators keeping the torch lit, otherwise there would have been complete pandemonium because nobody would have been able to stay sane during the blackout without it.


www.skirball.org

Not particularly useful during an eclipse.
 
2006-03-11 04:09:53 PM
The Bush administration has often been accused of a purely symbolic commitment to clean energy. <- from TFA

Isn't that exactly what this is?

Not if it actually produces usable renewable energy it isn't. And once again, before all the left wingers get to hatin' , put a solar hot water heater on your place before you start sniveling too much about how the gubment won't help you. You are responsible too.
 
2006-03-11 04:11:21 PM
The "huddled masses" famously welcomed to America by the inscription on the statue will be able to breathe a little more freely after the US National Parks Service announced a contract to provide 27m kilowatt hours of green energy to the statue, as well as to the nearby Ellis Island museum and several other sites.

27 millikilowatt-hours? That'll run it for, what, 12 minutes?
 
2006-03-11 04:12:54 PM
Diogenes: It's in NJ, but the only access is from NY.

Incorrect: http://www.nps.gov/stli/pphtml/planyourvisit.html
 
2006-03-11 04:16:13 PM
IT IS NOT IN NEW JERSEY, GODDAMMIT.

Everything above the water line on Liberty Island is NY.

Everything below the water is all yours, Garbage State.
 
2006-03-11 04:16:22 PM
Yea, because when you think of the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island you think of New Jersey. Give me a break.
 
2006-03-11 04:16:59 PM
Fnord

That's farking great!
 
2006-03-11 04:18:29 PM
Big deal!

BROOKLYN BREWERY has been wind-powered for a while now.

www.brakingthecycle.org
 
2006-03-11 04:20:00 PM
This fun watching you stupid yankees fight over a French statue.
 
2006-03-11 04:21:59 PM
Well, it *is* in New Jersey, geographically speaking.

Legally, it's a part of New York. But that doesn't really mean it's *in* New York. That's like saying that the U.S Embassy in Moscow is located in the United States.
 
2006-03-11 04:23:18 PM
"Tastes great!"

"Less filling!"
 
2006-03-11 04:27:17 PM
http://maps.google.com/?ll=40.699772,-74.032745&spn=0.0367,0.077248

Google says NY, and I think we all agree that google knows everything.
 
2006-03-11 04:31:00 PM
altinos: It might be New Jersey's, but the wind will be coming from Pennsylvania and New York.

I like the way you think.

/have a slashie.
 
2006-03-11 04:32:23 PM
I'd like to see a picture of what Lady Liberty looked like while still shiney copper. Now she's green because of age. To see a shiney copper would be really odd looking but I'd like to see what it looks like.
 
2006-03-11 04:33:23 PM
I take offense of anyone who says New York blows.

That only happens in the Village.


/I keed, I keed!
 
2006-03-11 04:33:52 PM
BingoBob

I like the way you think.

/have a slashie.


Thanks!

/slashback
 
2006-03-11 04:35:21 PM
You know she's naked under that toga...

Venkman out.
 
2006-03-11 04:37:06 PM
Wind Power?

img55.imageshack.us

Hey, they're "Bushes" brand.
That makes it even more apropos!
 
2006-03-11 04:44:53 PM
New Jersey--the world's largest landfill.
 
2006-03-11 04:46:26 PM
It's called Kiting, and it's illegal.
 
2006-03-11 04:46:29 PM
IT IS NOT IN NEW JERSEY, GODDAMMIT.

Everything above the water line on Liberty Island is NY.

Everything below the water is all yours, Garbage State.


Can't we end this inter-state hatred and focus on the real enemy again: Canada? I'm sure they have some part to play in this evil wind scheme.
 
2006-03-11 04:48:24 PM
rocinante721,

>Everything above the water line on Liberty Island is NY.

>Everything below the water is all yours, Garbage State.

That deserves a 3.2 chuckle...and a snicker.
 
2006-03-11 04:58:26 PM
That would be cool, but highly unlikely.

As of 1/1/06, the nearest operational wind-powered electric generating facility is just outside of Atlantic City, NJ - 93 miles away (as the crow flies).

That's an awful long way to build a dedicated transmission line.
 
2006-03-11 05:03:19 PM
Oh yeah, I'm sure this is Bush's idea. The article was written like Bush thought of it and supported it whol heartedly. Yeah right...I'm surprised he isn't vowing to veto this one too.
 
2006-03-11 05:08:58 PM
Quick! To the Google Map!

img210.imageshack.us

Well, that explains it.

Officially, the statue is inside New York's line. And rightfully so, since downtown Manhattan attracts far more tourists and generates more revenues to better fund the statue than NJ's Liberty Park ever will. Which is why, until now, all ferry transports originated in New York.

But you get the best view of the statue from New Jersey. And since it's closer to New Jersey, it makes more sense (and cheaper) for New Jersey to provide the water and electricity. I'm sure New York gives them a nice cut for that or something.
 
2006-03-11 05:28:08 PM
realmolo

Well, it *is* in New Jersey, geographically speaking.

Legally, it's a part of New York. But that doesn't really mean it's *in* New York. That's like saying that the U.S Embassy in Moscow is located in the United States.

Embassy grounds are actually considered to be the sovereign territory of the home country. Thus, the US Embassy in Moscow IS, indeed, located in the United States. Conversely, the Russian embassy in Washington, DC is located on Russian soil, etc.

The way you think would get you in trouble in Hawaii, where they get a little peeved when people say they are going "back to the States" - Hawaii IS already IN the States. :)

It is not, of course, part of the CONUS, or CONtinental United States - the "Lower 48".

/end geopolitical lesson
 
2006-03-11 05:45:28 PM
If the wind farms are pouring the energy into the grid, how can they say it is powering the statue? Are they running dedicated lines??
 
2006-03-11 05:59:33 PM

If the wind farms are pouring the energy into the grid, how can they say it is powering the statue? Are they running dedicated lines??


Probably not. What usually happens is that the customer (Liberty Island in this case) makes a deal with the utility to purchase a certain amount of energy at a certain price. The utility dumps that amount of energy onto the grid and charges the customer. The actual current powering the statue probably comes from somewhere else. The idea is, the more power you purchase from the wind farms, the less the coal-belching plants have to produce. Or something.

 
2006-03-11 06:09:28 PM
Probably not. What usually happens is that the customer (Liberty Island in this case) makes a deal with the utility to purchase a certain amount of energy at a certain price. The utility dumps that amount of energy onto the grid and charges the customer. The actual current powering the statue probably comes from somewhere else. The idea is, the more power you purchase from the wind farms, the less the coal-belching plants have to produce. Or something.

I agree, so this whole story is about politicking and putting on a pc green face.
 
2006-03-11 06:12:22 PM
Does someone have a giant urine scented glade that we can attatch to it?
 
2006-03-11 06:21:43 PM
Here is my view of it off my balcony...

www.julianrinaldi.com
 
2006-03-11 06:25:45 PM
Fnord

To go with the beanie:

img133.imageshack.us

/Q&D
//Imageshack
=Smidge=
 
2006-03-11 06:26:14 PM
uofwi92

realmolo

Well, it *is* in New Jersey, geographically speaking.

Legally, it's a part of New York. But that doesn't really mean it's *in* New York. That's like saying that the U.S Embassy in Moscow is located in the United States.
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Embassy grounds are actually considered to be the sovereign territory of the home country. Thus, the US Embassy in Moscow IS, indeed, located in the United States. Conversely, the Russian embassy in Washington, DC is located on Russian soil, etc.


Oh God. Shut up. You're arguing semantics now. Everyone understood Realmolo's point, and it was a very good one, and you're only serving to confuse and dilute it.
 
2006-03-11 06:33:52 PM
Can you fit DUKE up there? cause that would DEFINATLY take care of the blackout problems with all that wind created with all the suckage.

GET TO WORK ENGINEERS! MAKE IT HAPPEN!
 
2006-03-11 06:41:11 PM
You kids are pretty funny arguing about your two cesspools.
 
2006-03-11 07:07:37 PM
I can see the statue right outside my window right now (I live right next to Liberty State Park).

Fark New York.
 
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