well think of it like this, CanadianKnight, for all the cases I can show you that dealt with corrupt cops just in the few counties that I've done work in...

Are his fellow cop-buddies blind to the illegal crap that happened? Or were they in on it?

It's either one or the other, really. Either way should point you to what the public sees when they look at a cop.

It must be great to be a sadistic cop these days. Imagine being able to torture people any time you wanted to. Everytime I see cops getting pepper spray training, they have a running hose right there. Everytime I hear of a cop pepper spraying a citizen, the first thing they do is inflict further pain on them until they can handcuff them behind their back.

Pepper/OC/whatever "irritant" spray experts say the first reaction most people will have to being sprayed is panic similar to drowning (not surprising since for many people the spray will cause them to not be able to breath) - note that no one tasers someone for clawing and fighting when they are drowning - it is a _known_ reaction, lifeguards are trained to expect it. Cops know that that is the reaction to being sprayed, too and it gives them the excuse to inflict some extra beat down is a way that is more socailly acceptable than pulling out the baton first.

I think every cop should be spray and cuffed and left in the back of a car for at least as long as they have left somone else like that.

So....who wants to go for a ride in a car or even be near the streets when people that may or may not be in a diabetic coma because they don't properly take care of themselves drive?

The guy turned the key instead of asking for a ride or fixing his metabolism because he was probably addled by the hypoglycemia setting in. Fark him. I wouldn't let him near anything he could hurt himself or others with.

Friend of mine is epileptic, mostly controlled medically but not 100%, she had to give up being a surgeon and she takes the bus now. It's farking common sense.

Driving is a priveledge, not a right. If there is a significant risk you may be a danger to others because of your medical condition you should suck it up and deal the same as you shouldn't drive drunk.

Where can I get me some Taser lovin'?

My favorite one of the comments (obviously a fake one, probably submitted by one of us) was this one:

"im from Euless and yall cops has forsakin this man and it ain't right. on the other hand, yall people in this room is wrong because this man was violent to them cops.

just so happens i know bryan mcmanus. he's one nice man, we worked on a ranch together not more then 5 years ago where we tended horses. one night we went to red robin, had a wonderfull meal, then saw a movie, then went back to red robin to enjoy a dessert. i gave him a kiss on the cheek (nothin brokeback or nothin)"

The currently most recent message is comedy gold, Jerry!

im from Euless and yall cops has forsakin this man and it ain't right. on the other hand, yall people in this room is wrong because this man was violent to them cops.

just so happens i know bryan mcmanus. he's one nice man, we worked on a ranch together not more then 5 years ago where we tended horses. one night we went to red robin, had a wonderfull meal, then saw a movie, then went back to red robin to enjoy a dessert. i gave him a kiss on the cheek (nothin brokeback or nothin)

/I can't help but read it in a Boomhauer voice

The guy could have asked his friend for a soda, but NOOOOOOOOOOOO!

But at a friend's father's funeral, at the wake, a state trooper was there doing coke. We saw it. Years later this guy wound up shooting his wife, his kid, then himself. He was stationed in Winslow.

Another guy who had just become a cop came out and started waving a gun at a party because some guy was hitting on his wife. They went after him with baseball bats, and when his cop friends showed up, nothing happened... until someone who had taken pictures leaked them to the newspaper. I told him to just hide the camera under a wheel well. Thank god he did.

Well, there are two examples. (At least from your viewpoint.)

Therefore, the thousands upon thousands of officers in North America out there are all corrupt, coke-sniffing, wife-beating, torture-happy asshats.

Well... I see your reasoning then.

/not

Shadowspawn

In all of my dealing with cops (and there have been a few) I have not once been treated in a manner beyond what circumstances warranted. Hell I once ran from a cop and the most I got was yelled at and patted down. So I could make a blanket statement saying all cops are great and never act beyond how they are supposed to and it would be about as accurate as your saying (or seem to be) that all cops are corrupt assholes out to ruin lives.

I'd taser someone too if they told me their last name was McAnus.

oh that's McManus... sorry, carry on

He was stationed in Winslow

Well that explains everything. They are barbarians up there!

jcache: Driving is a priveledge, not a right. If there is a significant risk you may be a danger to others

Okay, so anyone who's ever had a speeding ticket automatically loses thier licence. Talking on the phone? Boom gone. Driving while high? Cya. Driving and eating? No licence for you!

Why not just test for genetic disorders (ike say, family history of heart failure) in families and take all thier licences away because its clearly too dangerous for them to be on the road.

CanadianKnight

Don't care that you don't see the issue, but here's a basic rundown: If a cop sees his "brother" doing something wrong, does he arrest him? Or is he not see it, and is ignorant of the fact?

Either way, do you want that guy to have authority?

fark those cops for immediately assuming the guy was drunk. fr rls

absolutben, well yea. if you do something stupid, you gotta realize you just gave up any chance of being free.

Before you even open your mouth to a cop, you dial your lawyer and have him on the phone.

It's the last protection you have, albeit expensive, but worth it once you get the video/audio recordings.

GregoryD: Why not just test for genetic disorders (ike say, family history of heart failure) in families and take all thier licences away because its clearly too dangerous for them to be on the road.

I say we just govern all vehicles so they can't travel faster than 10mph. Then we proceed with rounding off all sharp corners and padding all hard surfaces.

So the dude needed sugar, huh? The cops probably tasered him cuz they thought their doughnuts were in danger.

/"I'll git him Jim, you cover the kreullers!"

8bitwizard: The currently most recent message is comedy gold, Jerry!

im from Euless and yall cops has forsakin this man

Y'all are brutilizin' me!

As a Farking Diabetic myself (of 2 years) and a former bodyguard, I am fortunate that my medication keeps me from passing out with dropping Glucose levels.

But if I was a little glazed behind the wheel and I got maced by a cop, I'd be kicking and screaming too. I suspect very strongly that the police version of events might not be as accurate as their Taser shots. It seems a little convenient to me that they Tasered a guy who was able to prove he was diabetic with ID etc.

Also, when driving more than a few km, it's possible to get drowsy from lack of sugar or from excess sugar (which causes to body to slow down and shut down in order to process the carbs or sugars).

The body requires 8 different types of sugar to run correctly. People forget that bread, potatoes and rice or even Pasta are a diabetic's enemy if they convert to excess sugar in the body (which is what happens). For diabetics, too much salt, not enough DAILY excercise, too many carbs, too much or too little sugar, too little sleep etc can all determine how we react to the terrible effects of Diabetes.

Diabetics risk blindness, amputations of extremities and impotence, blocked bowels etc on a daily basis. It's lot more serious that the public is led to believe.

Hopefully Sergeant Sugartits gets Diabetes from his excessive consumption of sugar and lard laden doughnuts ...and discovers what happens when you pass out behind the wheel PRIOR to diabetic diagnosis or after a Sugar Coma sets in.

GregoryD spewed:
"Okay, so anyone who's ever had a speeding ticket automatically loses thier licence. Talking on the phone? Boom gone. Driving while high? Cya. Driving and eating? No licence for you!

Driving while not cognizant of your functions != driving too fast, eating, talking on the phone. You want my friend on the road while she's having a seizure? She gave up her license voluntarily.

As for driving while high, I recall that tends to remove your license to operate a car in most every nation and municipality.

Hey, don't get me wrong. I'd be the first to call out a corrupt cop if I caught him/her in the act.

But...

Are his fellow cop-buddies blind to the illegal crap that happened? Or were they in on it?

Or were they pressured by their union to keep their trap shut? Or were their other circumstances that came into play?

You see it as black and white. I see a little deeper than that. For instance, the incident you mention about the cop pulling his gun at a party. There should have been an investigation and suspension at the very LEAST. Pulling your service revolver while not in uniform, and for no cause?

However, if his cop buddies showed up and defended him without knowing why he'd just got beaten, then they could have been accessories. Depends if they KNEW he'd pulled his pistol, or they just saw thier "brother" officer get his ass kicked, and decided to defend him.

(Besides, how could I answer such a broad question without knowing the facts? Dunno if they were "blind" or if they were in on it without more data to go on.)

There are multiple sides to every story. While I believe you've had bad experiences, (and, in fact sympathize) and I believe that corrupt cops suck... I don't run around thinking that ALL COPS are into sadism, as your original post stated.

I'm a type 1 diabetic (you could have guessed), and let me tell you, helping someone move involves enough physical exercise that you're an idiot not to carry around a granola bar or something for safety. During high activity, sometimes I'll eat something even if I don't feel low, just because I know my sugar's dropping. This guy was all kinds of stupid for trying to dash home.

Oh and a big FARK YOU to jcache (quote - "NO PILOT LICENSE, NO HEAVY EQUIPMENT, NO CARS OR MOTORCYCLES!"). Go juggle some harpoons with your nuts.

jcache: Driving while not cognizant of your functions != driving too fast, eating, talking on the phone. You want my friend on the road while she's having a seizure? She gave up her license voluntarily.

So millions of diabetics should give up thier licences based upon the very small chance something bad happening?

Well it still boils down to that if you talk to a cop, this guy will shoot you and live. If you defend yourself, you will die.

It really doesn't matter what you think if the cop is good or bad. You just assume that he is, and he'll do whatever his badge allows him to do, so obey.

Answer his questions.

Don't act erratic.

Don't move suddenly.

Best thing is to call your lawyer and have him on the phone. Period. At least you can show the videos to people afterwards.

The problem with "why didn't he just carry something to prevent this" argument is this:

Some diabetics don't realize it's happening, and if they do, it's already too late. Your judgement is impaired, your state is altered. The article states he had glucose with his shot-kit. I'll bet by the time he was aware he needed the glucose, it was too late and he didn't posess the mental faculties.

I've been insulin-dependant for 16 years. Coma 4 times. Been pulled over when in a reaction twice. First time, the cop quickly saw what was really going on and rolled EMT. However the second time, the dipshiat county-mounty decided it would be much more fun to struggle with me for 20 mins before I pass out cuffed on the side of the road.

dibetes spewed: "Oh and a big FARK YOU to jcache (quote - "NO PILOT LICENSE, NO HEAVY EQUIPMENT, NO CARS OR MOTORCYCLES!"). Go juggle some harpoons with your nuts."

Nope. Stay off my roads, construction sites, hunting areas, and gun ranges and stay the fark away from speedboats too. Not my fault you have farked genes. I don't have to trust you or hire you and I won't. Go call an ADA lawyer and whine and I'll point out that people that are always near diabetic comas without rigorous attention to their glucose levels shouldn't do things where they endanger others. Sorry about your bad luck. The world would be a safer place if the cops shot that fellow.

Crunch61 You confuse and frighten me

A therapy for Schizophrenia has recently been developed using injections of insulin. See more tonight!

Some info for farkers that don't know about diabetes...diabetics on this thread, please correct any of my mistakes.

There are two types of diabetes, type I and type II. They are also known as insulin-dependent and non-insulin dependent diabetes, though the medical comunity is moving away from that naming convention because type II diabetics often need insulin as well.

Type I diabetes starts at an earlier age, and is characterized by the inability of the body (pancreas) to produce insulin. As a result, type I diabetics need to control their blood sugar levels by injecting insulin. There are different types of insulin that differ in the speed in which they act. Some are taken once or twice a day and are meant to control the baseline level of glucose in the blood. Others are fast acting and are meant to be taken immediately before a meal. The caveat being that once they inject this insulin, they MUST eat within half an hour or else risk hypoglycemia (low blood sugar).

Type II diabetic are the ones we read about in obesity articles. this is characterized by a resistance to the action of insulin. By this, we mean that they can produce insulin, but the insulin doesn't act on peripheral tissues (liver, muscle, adipocytes) well enough. With these patients, there are lots of treatment options that DON'T require insulin. there are drugs that heighten the effect of insulin on the liver like metformin, and there are drugs that promote more insulin release (like raising the volume so you can hear better) like glybenclamide. In some cases of type II diabetes, it does become necessary to place the patient on an insulin regimen, but more often than not type II diabetes can be controled with diet, exercise and medication short of insulin.

Hope this helps the thread. Please post corrections in case I mistyped.

I have a good taser story. One time me and some friends went to go score some drugs and one of my friends left his portable CD player in the car. When we came back it was gone. He was pissed. As we were leaving the neighborhood we saw this bum with his CD player. So we all got out and grabbed it from him. That's when my friend who owned the CD player pulled out a taser and started zapping the dude. He was shocking him all in the neck and face and mouth and shiat. Pretty hilarious in and of itself. But what made it even more funny was the bum's reaction. All he kept saying is "oh my god! what are you doing to me! what are you doing to me!" I guess he didn't know what a taser was.

I still laugh to this day about that.

Sorry about your bad luck. The world would be a safer place if the cops shot that fellow.

...pulled out a taser and started zapping the dude. He was shocking him all in the neck and face and mouth and shiat. Pretty hilarious in and of itself. But what made it even more funny was the bum's reaction. All he kept saying is "oh my god! what are you doing to me! what are you doing to me!" I guess he didn't know what a taser was. I still laugh to this day about that.

Thank you both. You have restored my faith in humanity.

Every diabetic should know that there's an easy to carry and virtually indestructible form of sugar that you won't eat "accidentally" just for emergency cases like this:

Cake frosting in a tube.

Afecks

You're a sick fark. I hope the most sadistic, ego-stripped, recently divorced cop pulls you over on his bad day.

Of course, had they searched his car, he'd be claiming that his fourth amendment rights were violated.

Jaycatt: im from Euless and yall cops has forsakin this man

Y'all are brutilizin' me!


It got deleted. Them mods has forsakin me.

angrycripple, god forbid someone pull you over when in the reaction and not know you are a diabetic. Maybe you are the dipshiat and just need your licensed pulled, there is public transportation, use it, before you kill someone you dipshiat.

Spiffjiggins - I do believe he was being facetious

Hi, I'm Wilfred Brimley, and I have diabetes. It hurts me to pee, and it causes me to be short with my family. I can't sleep at night. The other day, I stubbed my toe and took it out on the dog. And two weeks ago, I ran out of vanilla ice cream and struck my wife. Then I find out my wife's been dead for six years. Who the hell did I hit?

Afecks

He was shocking him all in the neck and face and mouth and shiat. . . . I guess he didn't know what a taser was.

I guess you don't know either. A taser shoots a block with the electrodes like an air gun. Assuming you're not just making everything up, that would have been just a plain old stun gun you were zapping the bum with.

That was a sign to the 37-year-old diabetic that he needed to hurry home in Euless to eat something to help it go back up.

followed by:

McManus said. "Had they searched my car, they would have found the insulin, syringes and glucose."

If you had glucose, asswipe, why were you in diabetic shock?

3 taser zaps = stupid tax for this dweeb.

Forgot the followup..

Cops tasered the Paramedic that said "you stupid blockhead cop! Eff you, moron!"

But yeah, it *is* hard to tell. The altered LOC usually means "druggie" to the police. EMS workers think "out of whack glucose levels!"

well, the FARK comments read just like the "brilliant" (from submitter) article comments...it's sort of like with parents improperly placing responsibilities on teachers (teachers aren't babysitters) - the cops exist to protect society from incapacitated people (like someone who knew he was going into diabetic shock, and then getting into a car)...it's up to the diabetic to take care of himself...

And the moral of the story is, learn to take care of your own damn self, cause if you let someone else do it, they're gonna tazer yer ass.

Poor guy... lucky none of the police officers was able to jump in front of his car they way they like to, so as to be able to legally shoot him for attempting to run said officer attempting to play a game of car-versus-human chicken over.

8bitwizard Actually TASER is a brand name of an air power projectile stun-gun. Other companies make them too and they call them something else. But I'm not here to educate people on the distinctions between various stun-guns. Just trying to share a sick and funny story.

SwiftFox

They, are called, commas, use them spell werds rite so we can understand what you us trying to say. Also, where are these cops that like to jump in front of cars, I need to get whatever their smoking.

Wow, its nice to see that i'll have support behind my decision to taser some drugged up dirty hippie when I join the force in about 5 years. Woo Hoo!

Driving under the influence

Surely the guy was endangering lives driving as he approached diabetic siezure?

From the article:
Responding to a call of a vehicle acting suspiciously, a patrol officer observed McManus' car moving very slowly, reports state.

"The car finally stopped," Westmoreland said. "The officer got the driver to put the car in park and tried to talk to the driver. The driver's eyes were glazed over."

This was after:
"As he finished helping a friend move in Irving on Feb. 11, Bryan McManus could feel his blood-sugar level dropping.

That was a sign to the 37-year-old diabetic that he needed to hurry home in Euless to eat something to help it go back up."

It's a good thing he didn't kill anyone.

He shouldn't have a licence if he can't judge when he'll loose the ability to drive.

His "Friend" let him drive!

The safe thing to do would be for his friend to drive him home.


Get your Story straight
That was a sign to the 37-year-old diabetic that he needed to hurry home in Euless to eat something to help it go back up.

Like the gloucose in his car?

"With proper training, they would have recognized that I was in shock," McManus said. "Had they searched my car, they would have found the insulin, syringes and glucose."


/ one more time, he could easily kill somebody driving like that.

DangerLaef: Surely the guy was endangering lives driving as he approached diabetic siezure?

You'll get no argument from me. It was a lapse of judgement that endangered him and everyone on the road. However, none of that justifies the cops pepper-spraying him and hitting him with the taser 3 times.

If they had searched his car, he would be claiming that his rights were violated.

If he had worn a bracelet or some other thing showing he was diabetic, they would have still had to subdue him.

If he had driven away and they let him, he would be claiming that they should have stopped him.

Pretty much sounds like every option sucked.