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(Earth Times)   Annoyed by recent gloating among PC users about Mac OSX vulnerability, Apple user challenges world to hack his Mac Mini and the webpage that runs on it   ( earthtimes.org) divider line
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1806 clicks; posted to Geek » on 07 Mar 2006 at 7:16 PM (11 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2006-03-07 04:27:40 PM  
Sounds like a smart idea.

Oh, wait...
 
2006-03-07 04:39:44 PM  
All these contests prove is the skill level of the admin who build the machine and designed the security, not whether or not Mac is inherently more secure than Windows. We also have to take into consideration the network hardware between us and the machine...
 
2006-03-07 04:44:21 PM  
"Schroeder decided to act after reports on the ZDNet Australia site claimed that a user by name "Gwerdna" hacked into a Mac mini after just 30 minutes."

So, it wasn't busted in 30 minutes? The ZDNet article is false?
 
2006-03-07 04:47:02 PM  
meshman: So, it wasn't busted in 30 minutes? The ZDNet article is false?

Depends what you mean by "busted".

Did the person hack into a Mac mini from the outside? No.

Did the person hack into the Mac after being given shell accounts to log into it? Yes.
 
2006-03-07 04:48:42 PM  
So this is *another* guy who is trying to duplicate the challenge of the Swedish guy? Is there a website for this new guy?

It's hard to keep track of all these.
 
wee
2006-03-07 04:49:13 PM  
The last paragraph made my head hurt. Anyone here who speaks Idiot care to translate for me?
 
2006-03-07 04:50:03 PM  
Ah, here it is...
 
2006-03-07 04:57:06 PM  
"After being considered a safe OS, the Mac has been infiltrated twice in the last couple of month though there were no large-scale infections."

wee, I'm right there with you. "Last couple of month?"

Nice.
 
2006-03-07 05:03:19 PM  
I hate it when I comment in a thread and then it goes green. Now the whole world knows what I am up to.
 
2006-03-07 05:37:39 PM  
There are a lot of good comments by the professor running the new contest (daveschroeder (516195)) in the Slashdot thread. (pops)
 
2006-03-07 06:06:09 PM  
Well, I for one love the 'usage of open source Latest News about open source components for most network-accessible services' that OS X provides me.
 
2006-03-07 07:27:15 PM  
Godzilla: "Last couple of month?"


Well, you go and try to say "months" with a Norwegian accent, then.
 
2006-03-07 07:38:13 PM  
I'll give it a week tops before someone hacks this mac mini.

The only reason why Macs are more secure is because no one uses them, and hackers get their status by how many machines they are able to destroy. If a hackeris dedicated, they could squash a Mac just as easily as it is to squash a PC.
 
2006-03-07 08:15:02 PM  
ELECTRIFY


Then this little contest should prove you right or wrong. Seems like there is a bit of a media following on this one so if noone cracks it, will you STFU?
 
2006-03-07 09:27:44 PM  
Thank You peoplecake
 
2006-03-07 09:33:47 PM  
Electrify

Mac OSX currently has an a user base of over 10 million machines. So the argument that it's too small a target is ridiculous. In fact it's a bigger target as it's untouched territory with a bonus of headline making news.
 
2006-03-07 09:56:46 PM  
Microsoft sucks, lets face it. But Electrify is partly right. A motivated hacker will not be stopped, I don't care what system you are using. There is no such thing as an impervious system. Mac Freaks gloating over how much greater their machines are over Windows... well, it's just silly.

Both systems have their place in the business environment. Macs tend to be used more in audio/video/art & literature production. PC's tend to be used by people actually trying to get back-end work (databases)/office work done. That's the way it is, and it isn't going to change anytime soon.

But it sure is funny watching you people blow a gasket everytime someone pisses on your favorite system.
 
2006-03-07 10:13:33 PM  
somemoronThere is no such thing as an impervious system.

An unplugged system? Well, someone could still always come by and kick it.
 
2006-03-07 11:06:49 PM  
Electrify

Mac OSX currently has an a user base of over 10 million machines. So the argument that it's too small a target is ridiculous. In fact it's a bigger target as it's untouched territory with a bonus of headline making news.


Ridiculous? Let's check that out, shall we?

10,000,000 macs vs. 660,000,000 PC's

10,000,000/660,000,000

1/66 = 1.5%

1.5% doesn't qualify as too small a target? What are you waiting for, a nice Linux virus?
 
2006-03-07 11:08:35 PM  
Sorry, electrify, I was trying to quote Dr. Robotnik

No hard feelings?
 
2006-03-08 12:12:10 AM  
Dr. Robotnik = PCOwn3d
 
2006-03-08 12:55:12 AM  
The market share argument would be fine if it weren't historically and verifiably incorrect. Here's a simple history...

MacOS9
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- Microscopic marketshare, unless compared with only non-Microsoft OS platforms.
- CodeWarrior or MPW was needed to write software. CodeWarrior cost over $200, up to $600 as I recall. MPW was far less popular, but was free. Most viruses were written in CodeWarrior.
- Documentation for most of the MacOS was lacking, or incorrect. Networking examples were almost non-existent, and the few that Apple had posted had serious typos.
- Apple did not disclose security vulnerabilities as they were patched
- It was a single user, closed-source system.
- There were no underlying shells, and no way to launch an application without some form of visual indication.
- It had absolutely no ports open by default
- The most popular web server was WebStar, a fairly expensive commercial product.
- There were no entry-level Macs, like the Mac Mini.

MacOSX
- Considerably larger marketshare
- Large sections are open source, or based on open source, and Apple posts fairly detailed notes about what was patched with each update.
- Development tools are free
- Ships with a slew of network apps, including a web server, ssh, etc.
- Multi-User environment allows users to do all kinds of things behind the current user's back

AND YET, there are no viruses on MacOSX. No worms. No Malware. There were these things on OS9. And despite all the fame and recognition you'd get for actually hacking this latest guy's Mac, no one here, C|Net, or even Slashdot has managed to get in.

I'd say this is a good indication that MacOSX is quite secure.
 
2006-03-08 01:00:58 AM  
The testing period just ended. No one was successful.
 
2006-03-08 01:39:27 AM  
somemoron: There is no such thing as an impervious system.


MS DOS without lan manager

hack that farker


/Windows ME: it crashes before you can hack it
 
2006-03-08 07:32:25 AM  
Just give me my pistol and my cutlass, I'll hack the system right quick. Won't even need to write a line or code, neither.
 
2006-03-08 08:25:04 AM  
No one thinks that because of the lower useage of mac products by like a quadrillion percent, makes the chances of a mac product having a spread infection less likely?
 
2006-03-08 08:32:37 AM  
2006-03-08 01:00:58 AM Chilton
The testing period just ended. No one was successful.


Are you from the future? By my calendar there are two days left in the test.
 
2006-03-08 09:33:44 AM  
From the future? No, but I have l33t reading skillz ;-)

http://test.doit.wisc.edu/
 
2006-03-08 11:01:52 AM  
Lehk

/Windows ME: it crashes before you can hack it

It crashes when it crashes.
 
2006-03-08 11:35:52 AM  
Shampoo is better! I go on first and make the hair clean!!!

NOOO conditioner is better I leave the hair silky and smooth!


this is what I think about when I think of MACs vs PCs

\was a huge PC enthusiast until I was forced to use a mac for 2 months straight
\\now I love my mac and wouldn't trade it in for the world
\\\not saying either is better
 
2006-03-08 12:52:32 PM  
KingOfTheFrogs

10,000,000 Macs running OSX != total number of Macs (includs everything between 1984 to today)

If I read the article correctly, 660,000,000 PCs counted everything, not just PCS running XP.
 
2006-03-08 07:55:12 PM  
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