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(STLToday)   Man who tricked 12 dumbest investors in America into funding research into water-powered car must now repay that money... especially since he didn't do any actual research   (stltoday.com) divider line 52
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2006-03-06 07:50:56 PM
they didn't wait for the science!
 
2006-03-06 07:52:06 PM
well...

a water powered car would be possible, but i sure as hell couldn't make one.
 
2006-03-06 07:52:30 PM
A fool and his money are soon parted
 
2006-03-06 07:52:56 PM
The company claimed in July 2004 that it would create several thousand jobs in St. Louis to produce a water-powered car that probably would make the need for gasoline obsolete in 100 days.

umm ... yeah. Sounds to me like the investors deserve to be smacked around a bit, too.
 
2006-03-06 07:53:26 PM
MoreCowbell!: a water powered car would be possible, but i sure as hell couldn't make one.

I had a water powered rocket as a kid, how hard could a car be?
 
F42
2006-03-06 07:54:23 PM
entimg.msn.com
 
2006-03-06 07:54:41 PM
I'm allergic to water
 
2006-03-06 07:55:09 PM
However, the company has produced no water-powered car and no jobs, and no funds remain in Emerging Technologies Development Co., according to Carnahan's office.

Now, there's a surprise.
 
2006-03-06 07:55:55 PM
www.geocities.com

Water Powered?
 
2006-03-06 07:56:05 PM
F42
that episode was just on
 
2006-03-06 07:56:39 PM
water powered? And the guy didn't mean steam?
 
2006-03-06 07:57:41 PM
Servo: Ahem. Mr. Nelson, let me commend your wisdom and prudence in establishing the Michael J. Nelson Foundation, and I thank you in advance for your anticipated approval of my request of $50, enabling me to complete development of a water engine, long a dream of humankind. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Mike: Okay, whatever. You got a demonstration for me?

Servo: Oh, oh, right, right! Sure, sure! If you could pour the distilled water in there, please?
Mike: Oh, sure.

Servo: Yes, okay, come on, baby, work with me... come on, come on! What?
Crow: Huh.

Servo: Wait, hang on. Did I get distilled water, or...

Mike: I guess, I don't know, and we can't fund a project that doesn't work. I'm sorry.
 
2006-03-06 07:58:29 PM
img520.imageshack.us

"When are we, Doc?"
 
2006-03-06 07:58:53 PM
i thought the army had shiat like this already.
 
2006-03-06 07:59:45 PM
He could not be reached for comment.

Well, duh.
 
2006-03-06 08:00:07 PM
Investors that were tricked
I've got a bridge that's going up for sale soon.
 
2006-03-06 08:02:01 PM
Bring back steam engines. In 1906, the rest of the world was going 30 mph max. The Stanley Steamer was going over 100. They even developed a recirculating system that allowed them to carry much less water.
 
2006-03-06 08:04:21 PM
LittleSmitty: Bring back steam engines

As far as I can tell, the only consequence would be smoke stacks on cars. Also they might be more bulky, but cheaper? Somebody help me on this, I have no clue.
 
2006-03-06 08:05:07 PM
What's the big deal? 8 year old Tim built one.

waterrocket.uh-lab.de

Timmi's Water Rocket Car - 2.11.2003
 
2006-03-06 08:05:45 PM
Alexander admitted to making false statements and to selling unregistered investments in his Creve Coeur company, Emerging Technologies Investment Group, Secretary of State Robin Carnahan said Friday.

The company claimed in July 2004 that it would
create several thousand jobs in St. Louis to produce a water-powered car that probably would make the need for gasoline obsolete in 100 days.

However, the company has produced no water-powered car and no jobs, and no funds remain in Emerging Technologies Development Co.,
according to Carnahan's office.

I want to know who let this guy do this. Suppose Mr. Carnahan has a clue? There has to be a more in-depth story out there.
 
2006-03-06 08:05:46 PM
RoboJesus
Luckily my dad runs steam boilers for a living so I can answer this. No smokestack required. On a coal fed boiler the smoke is called fly ash. That can be dumped into a barrel and properly disposed of later.
 
2006-03-06 08:11:20 PM
What's funny is the number of farkers who were backing this douchenozzle the last time there was a thread about this.

To all of those who failed basic physics:SUCK IT.
 
2006-03-06 08:12:16 PM
recent forays into automotive steam power involve a propane tank that provides input energy for the boiler. they've gotten much more powerful, mostly due to advances in materials science, allowing far higher pressures and temperatures, but they're still not all that efficent energy-wise. about as good as a gas engine. They're far cleaner, tho, due to the complete combustion of the fuel, as opposed to the fast explosive combustion in ICEs. They are heavy, IIRC, and don't actually make all that much power. Good for toys, not for a sedan.

In terms of efficiency, AFAIK high pressure pneumatic systems are about as good as it gets. There are vehicles that use this, but only have about a 60-mile range. They're perfect for little commuter vehicles, where the drive is short.
 
2006-03-06 08:14:46 PM
All you need is a 4,000 gallon tank of water way up in the air, on some kind of scaffold on caster wheels. You release the plug and the force of the water cascading out of the tank drives you forwards. Simple as.
 
2006-03-06 08:17:57 PM
Khardynyl
That sounds even safer than the rednecks in my neighborhood that have their trucks raised up 3 feet into the air.
/Just playing along.
 
2006-03-06 08:31:57 PM
A car that runs on water?

Does this mean we'll be invading the Atlantic Ocean next?

/d&r-ing
 
2006-03-06 08:43:14 PM
I engaged in bitter arguments with some retards on a board somewhere about this when it was announced. They all ganged up on me and called me "closed minded", "no imagination", "science doesn't know everything", etc.

Anyway, the point is I forget what board that was since they suck anyway, but in case any of you jags is reading this now - HA HA!!!
 
2006-03-06 08:43:41 PM
No Lone Gunmen screenshots?
 
2006-03-06 08:47:05 PM
THe more I think about this story though, the more I am conflicted. The guy's a fraud, so he should pay (or suffer somehow), but the people who gave him money are farking idiots, so they don't really deserve that money anyway. Maybe they should get the money but be required to spend it on basic science coursework.
 
2006-03-06 09:22:59 PM
LittleSmitty: Bring back steam engines

like this,
 
2006-03-06 09:32:54 PM
I'd sure like to meet these investors. I've got some swamp land up here in the mountains and some Nigerian stocks & bonds they might be interested in.
 
2006-03-06 09:40:43 PM
Hey, the entire state of Ohio got talked into buying some rare coins that didn't exist. A water powered car's not so far fetched.
 
2006-03-06 09:42:15 PM
joseph2435: LittleSmitty: Bring back steam engines

like this,



I love how they called the system the "Turbosteamer."

Heheheheh.
 
2006-03-06 09:51:57 PM
Meh!

The last guy who tried to sell a water powered engine got killed!

1920-somethingorother.

Actually some kind of dehydraded fuel.... just add water.
 
2006-03-06 09:53:32 PM
The company claimed in July 2004 that it would create several thousand jobs in St. Louis to produce a water-powered car that probably would make the need for gasoline obsolete in 100 days.

This guy should get to keep this money - I know that he is completely full of it, but getting 12 people to give him a total of $100k for an obviously bad idea has to be worth it.

And another thing, of course this didn't work out, he didn't have enough money. I'm sure he ran out before even being able to produce a prototype. At my company it takes more than that for me to bid and internal R&D project that will take 3 months!
 
2006-03-06 10:17:03 PM
A fool and his money are soon parted

And subsequently reunited, apparently.
 
2006-03-06 10:19:44 PM
I don't see what is so unbelievable about a water powered car. Take any commonly used item we've got, then go 20 years earlier and most people would have said 'Ha! That's impossible'.

In 1986 if you said we'd have wireless network cards that could transfer data at rates 100x faster than the best they could do in 1986; they'd say you were crazy.
 
2006-03-06 10:25:26 PM
The gas pill.

You take a piece of calcium carbonate and add water. It gives off acyetelene (sp?) gas. The engine runs like a sonofabiatch while it burns the gas. Trouble is, it eats up the engine really quickly

Many people have fallen for this.
 
2006-03-06 10:50:06 PM
Calcium carbide, what you are looking for is Calcium carbide. And yes, if you put it in water it does form accetylene, the biatch of it is acetylene is a very twitchy material and a little too exothermic for use in internal coubustion engines. It actually has a positive energy of formation, (rare for a hydrocarbon) there's a lot of energy hiding in that Pi-2 bond, so much so that accetylene must be stored in acetone to prevent it from autodetonating when pressurized.
 
2006-03-06 10:52:20 PM
RobDude, your folks already got pwned before this thread even started.
 
2006-03-06 11:32:49 PM
put enough floats under a car and throw her into the ocean, and I will show you a water powered car
 
2006-03-06 11:40:08 PM
Alexander must repay the investors with 8 percent interest, plus contribute another $10,000 to state investor education.

Not only does he have to pay back his dumb-ass investors, but he has to pay money into a program to educate other investors?

If you're dumb enough to invest in stupid things, you shouldn't get too attached to your money.

Having said that, I have a great new idea: it's a website that runs on water. It will probably make the need for Fark.com obsolete in 100 days. All I need is 100,000 investors to give me $5 a month...
 
2006-03-06 11:46:56 PM
RobDude:
In 1986 if you said we'd have wireless network cards that could transfer data at rates 100x faster than the best they could do in 1986; they'd say you were crazy.

Moore's Law was pretty established by then. I doubt anybody would have said any even remotely feasible idea was "crazy".
 
2006-03-06 11:49:04 PM
The Stanley Steamer was quite possibly the scariest car ever. How about going what was essentialy Mach 1 back in its day, with the added bonus of possibly having your skin stripped from your body in an instant if the boiler burst.

No thanks, Leno was so scared of his he drove it about 5 feet and when he depressurised the thing it looked like locomotive.
 
2006-03-07 01:08:41 AM
How about going what was essentialy Mach 1
Not even close by a longshot, try again.

It took rocket cars with high test fuels to reach that velocity, fuels with enthalpies a whole hell of a lot greater than kerosene or gas steamer.
 
2006-03-07 01:21:31 AM
Only one problem... he's got no money. Can't get blood from a stone..

I doubt they will see their money again.
 
2006-03-07 02:56:43 AM
You people don't understand! He said it was a sure thing, that it was like a license to print money! What was I supposed to do, not sign over the deed to the family farm? I don't think so!

He even had a briefcase, and a catchy patter song.
 
2006-03-07 07:06:41 AM
Sure that guy is a fraud and should be punished, but giving the money back (with interest!) to that bloody stupid idiots that fell for it? No way. Anybody who invests in such a blatant crap should be punished as well.
The money should go into scientific education.
Wait, I forgot. Well, maybe into 'Christian Science'?
 
2006-03-07 10:15:26 AM
Tainted1. Enthalpy man. Enthalpy. :P
 
2006-03-07 10:16:07 AM
^ of formation
 
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