untrustworthy: This is bullshiat. If the military wants to recruit students on campus then they need to abandon the stupid "don't ask don't tell" policy. Haven't we matured at all in the past decade?

I think the argument runs something like this: American soldiers are heroes, willing to sacrifice their lives for our country. Our children look up to them as role models. If we let gays in the military, then it would mean gay people could be heroes. Our children would look up to gay people. They would grow up wanting to be gay, so that they, too, could defend the country they love. Makes perfect sense, right? [/sarcasam]

- Don't ask don't tell is stupid - a patriot is a patriot.
- People are either gay or not - preventing soldiers from being openly gay does not mean there will be fewer gay children in America.
- If a gay man or woman is willing to get their ass shot off for this country, then I humbly say thank you.

/Sadly, I bet "don't ask, don't tell" would go away instantly if we needed another draft.

Weaver95: The Boy Scouts of America agree with you.

The Boy Scouts are not a government organization.

If anyone with a college degree wants to go to Iraq, they obviously have a useless degree.

Quizzical: /Sadly, I bet "don't ask, don't tell" would go away instantly if we needed another draft.

Nah, they've got a better idea... As a few weeks ago, the military lowered their recruiting standards. They'll now take convicted felons.

Makes sense... many of them already know plenty about guns, while gays only know about making things shoot.

I should quit while I'm ahead, but:

I don't want heterosexuals or homosexuals in the army. The only thing that should get a soldier off is killing the enemy.

Theaetetus: Makes sense... many of them already know plenty about guns...

And they already know plenty about butt sex.

"Yep. I would say it further erodes states rights but there haven't been any in a long time to erode."

South Dakota just banned almost all abortions. Lets see if farkers argue thats a state rights issue...

/not anti-abortion

Shut........UP: South Dakota just banned almost all abortions. Lets see if farkers argue thats a state rights issue...

GraphicAddiction has been arguing that very thing for the past few hours in a TotalFark thread. I just can't see how a human rights issue should be left to a state government to decide.

why? they have an elected government the same the same as the federal and are made of up representatives who more closely match that communities beliefs.

If something is a right of the state to decide, the issue itself is irrelevant.

Besides, when states were passing gay marriage acts I remember plenty of arguments that that was a states rights issue on the grounds that it was a human rights issue and the local governments were better equipped to judge.

All that being said, I have decided if it is or isn't. I lean closer to states rights issues, but neighboring states that don't ban it will have to deal with it. Like air pollution.

I have decided = I haven't decided

The next recruitment action should occur where all the politicians in office have their kids going to school.

LyleDAL: The rare school out there that recieves little or no federal funding might

No, I'm wondering if they'll say "to hell with the ROTC" DESPITE any Federal monies.

Couldn't be that big a percentage. Most schools probably take in more money off football and the Alumni Association.

I think the taking of the money merely clarifies that the institution DOES consider itself a public entity and needs to follow the constitution instead of just its own private whims.

Shut........UP: why? they have an elected government the same the same as the federal and are made of up representatives who more closely match that communities beliefs.

If it is truly a human rights issue then it should apply to all Americans.

If something is a right of the state to decide, the issue itself is irrelevant.

True. But deciding to ban abortion isn't a state's right.

Besides, when states were passing gay marriage acts I remember plenty of arguments that that was a states rights issue on the grounds that it was a human rights issue and the local governments were better equipped to judge.

I extend a lot more forgiveness for people who wish to legalize activities than I do for people who wish to criminalize them.

All that being said, I have decided if it is or isn't. I lean closer to states rights issues, but neighboring states that don't ban it will have to deal with it. Like air pollution.

Unless they are like Ohio and decide that the activity is illegal for their citizens even if it is done in a state that allows it.

Ohio law:
Sec. 2919.12. (A) No person shall do any of the following:
(2) Transport another, or cause another to be transported, across the boundary of this state or of any county in this state in order to facilitate the other person having an abortion.
(2) No physician who provides RU-486 (mifepristone) to another for the purpose of inducing an abortion as formerly authorized under division (A) of this section as it existed prior to the effective date of this amendment shall knowingly fail to file a report required under division (C)(1) of this section.

Doesn't everything and everyone get federal funds in a way? Now that New Orleans is being repaired with federal money, does that mean they can't kick out a recruiter who sneaks into their house?

Playing Devil's Advocate here but if they were so against this policy in the first place why are they griping now? Bill signed this in to play almost a decade ago. Correct? Yeah, it's a lame policy but it seems the law is the law & SCOTUS judged accordingly. The Military can't do anything about it if the former Pres declared it policy. Shouldn't it be up to congress to overturn this?

At UCSC there was a rather large protest against the military recruiters
Military Protest Distrupts Job Fair

Read the end for my first foray into being quoted in news papers

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Why? The schools don't have a problem with the military.//

Schools didn't have problems with the military before. Its the professors. Professors are predominantly leftist. And professors now run Academia. If you don't think so, look at what happend to the poor sumbiatch who was running Harvard.

Schools didn't have problems with the military before.



Yup, no problems at all!

/wait for it

/CSNY waiting to write a sequel song

The Boy Scouts of America agree with you.

As much as you bring this up as an example of persecution I'm begining to think you don't know that the BSA won the Dale case.

LyleDAL The military is for POOR people.

Care to back that assertation up with proof? The latest studies show that the predominance of military members come from middle-class backgrounds.

/Thinks SCOTUS got it right
//Thinks "DADT" is stupid policy

Solkanar512
As to those wanting the schools to take a hit with federal funding, think for a moment what the really means. That federal funding makes it so you can have loans to go to school, and a job to support yourself while you're there. Additionally, this money funds fundamental research, in such

How the hell do you expect this country to remain strong when only a select few can afford school?

The US needs a major overhaul in education. We are so far behind other nations because our colleges push us towards mediocrity in many fields instead of focusing solely on what we want. From what I understand, countries like India allow you to start specializing in a field as early as early highschool years.

If we would stop focusing on general education and more on specialization, we would be smarter. A start for this would be for colleges to be forced to cut the crap(general ed) and focus all their money on the studies the school specializes in. Cutting the cash flow would/may spark the revolution necessary to overhaul our failing education system to get away from promoting mediocrity.

At least the people handing out bibles don't chase you down.

The only thing that should get a soldier off is killing the enemy.

Wow.

Just...wow.

CineKal:
Just...wow.

And of course you're going to take me seriously.

Sam_Walton

I'd like to post your IRC parody on my blog. Is that OK with you?

Thanks.

VibeRader:
I'd like to post your IRC parody on my blog. Is that OK with you?

Sure thing. Where's your blog?

Sam_Walton

Erik With a "K"

I'll be blogging about the SCOTUS decision this afternoon, couldn't pass up the chance to include your awesome parody.

And of course you're going to take me seriously.

Well, you are a fukking nutjob, sometimes the lines blur between comedy and ideals.

Man, what did I ever do to you? Oh, and I'm giving permission for anyone to post the IRC thing wherever.

Some of you are unaware that "Don't Ask Don't Tell" is not something the Pentagon came up with. It's a federal law handed down by Congress and then President Clinton.

If the law schools really have a problem with Don't Ask Don't Tell, they should take it up with Congress. The military has 0 power to ignore this policy as found in 10 U.S.C. Sec. 654. They HAVE to do it. Having a military decide policy for itself is bad bad bad bad bad.

You got a problem with it? Don't shiat on recruiters, they're just doing their jobs. Point fingers at your elected officials.


You'd think lawyers would understand this sort of thing. Then again, these places would just look for some other reason to hate the military.

Man, what did I ever do to you?

You stink of ignorance, therefore you are my enemy.

CineKal:
You stink of ignorance, therefore you are my enemy.

Please provide examples, or risk being deemed a troll.