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(Cleveland Plain Dealer)   Ohio cracking down on "white market" illegal milk distribution   ( divider line
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7351 clicks; posted to Main » on 05 Mar 2006 at 11:23 AM (11 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2006-03-05 09:57:05 AM  
"Christina Trecaso does; the unpasteurized product -- which is illegal to sell in Ohio -- is chilling in the refrigerator at her Copley Township home."

Homeland Security should be busting down her door any day now once they finish harrassing library computer users. The war on terror never ends!
2006-03-05 11:29:35 AM  
Some people like their tuberculosis and Q fever...
2006-03-05 11:30:24 AM  
This whole situation has gone sour.
2006-03-05 11:31:35 AM  
I like my milk like I like my women: pasteurized and mixed with strawberry Nestle's Quick powder.
2006-03-05 11:33:21 AM  
a legal milk market? wtf
2006-03-05 11:34:00 AM  
2006-03-05 11:34:55 AM  
So it's hippies vs. bureaucrats. To coin a phrase:

Whoever loses, we win
2006-03-05 11:35:02 AM  
It's milk. Ohio has many more problems than unpasteurized milk to overcome. -.-
2006-03-05 11:36:05 AM  
Rat Milk?
/It's pure
2006-03-05 11:37:09 AM  
I know this story sounds silly or trivial, but its the edge of a very real and widespread problem and not just in Ohio.
Anyone interested should check out The Small Farmer's Journal.
Its a semi-left wing rag that spouts some goofy non-sense, but it also is a big time supporter of the independent farmer.
Right now the milk monopolies and huge farming co-ops are killing the independent farmers businesses.
They even want EVERY farm animal in the US registered with the government and implanted with an RF tag.
Weird but true.
2006-03-05 11:38:28 AM  
My droogs approve:
2006-03-05 11:39:29 AM
Unpasteurized, my ass!
2006-03-05 11:39:38 AM  
I was promised dog or better!
2006-03-05 11:42:49 AM  
link is farked at this moment... WAY TO GO!

/we should fark the whole MSM...
//ummm, I forgot.
///Oh yeah... wait... no....
2006-03-05 11:43:42 AM
2006-03-05 11:49:00 AM  
kidney stone, anyone?
2006-03-05 11:50:14 AM  
Fat Tony reference in 3, 2, 1....
2006-03-05 11:53:46 AM  
Some raw milk advocates insist that lactose intolerance is caused by pasteurization destroying the natural enzymes that break lactose down for us, and anyone can digest raw milk. Even if that is true, I don't want to get a foodbourne illness. I'll keep buying pasteurized milk.
2006-03-05 11:57:02 AM  
2006-03-05 11:50:14 AM ApeShaft

Fat Tony reference in 3, 2, 1....

First thing that popped into my head.

"You promised me dog or higher!"
2006-03-05 11:59:14 AM
2006-03-05 12:04:57 PM  
First thing that popped into my head.

"You promised me dog or higher!"

2006-03-05 12:16:44 PM  
This is one of those issues where both sides make me go WTF? Why would you want to drink potentially disease-laden milk when disease-free milk is so widely and cheaply available? On the other hand, if people want to do that, why make it illegal? I could see requiring warning labels, but for fark's sake, cigarettes are legal and if that's our society's benchmark, there's no way in hell that unpasteurized milk is too dangerous to be sold.

Like I said, both sides make me go WTF?
2006-03-05 12:20:54 PM  

As far as I understand it, people are responsible for producing the enzymes to break down lactose sugar, the enzymes are not found in milk so pasteurization has nothing to do with lactose intolerance.

Does raw milk really taste so much better that people are willing to risk serious incidents of food poisoning and possibly even death for immunocompromised people? Most technology is not bad!
2006-03-05 12:20:58 PM  
What I don't get is that these people think of themselves as being so farking health concious and yet they still insist on drinking cow's milk. Healthy people do not need cows milk
2006-03-05 12:22:19 PM  
Keep in mind, the laws regarding milk production, handling, distribution, and sale were based on science of the day in 1920.
Virtually all independent studied made in the last 20 years on this subject say that milk is far more dangerous in the form we buy it than if we could just get it from a cow.
Most of what people believe about raw milk are based on out-dated myths.
Check out the facts. Its real easy.
Check out The Small Farmer's Journal on this topic.
And, yes, if I can buy tobaco why can't i buy raw milk?
2006-03-05 12:23:26 PM  
Raw milk fans claim a myriad of health benefits, too, including reduced risk of asthma, allergies and arthritis pain. They say that pasteurization literally cooks out many of the benefits from what's dubbed "nature's perfect food."

Yes, of course, because it is nature that bred those Jersey cows to produce abnormally huge quantities of butterfat into their milk.
2006-03-05 12:24:20 PM  
"Why would you want to drink potentially disease-laden milk when disease-free milk is so widely and cheaply available?"

Cheap?!? Milk is like $3.50 a gallon down near me. If I can get a gallon for under $2 that I can pasturize myself (Its just heating it with steam then letting it cool) i'll jump at the deal.
2006-03-05 12:26:50 PM  
Welcome to the new America, where every facet of your life will be legislated, because Uncle Sam knows what's best.
2006-03-05 12:27:01 PM  
Other than the $3 per gallon we pay, what benefits does raw milk have that pastuerized doesn't? Confused as to why this is an issue?
2006-03-05 12:28:32 PM  
There actually is a black market on raw milk.
What I see sells for about $1 a gallon or less.
And yes, all you have to do is heat it and then let it cool.
2006-03-05 12:30:12 PM  
Pep: I can't quite place it! It tastes like......
Joe Friday: MILK! Just like the sign said on the building before you obliterated it! Fresh, Wholesome Milk!
Pep: You probably love this stuff, don't you?
Joe Friday: Vitamin D! Calcium! Essential for good strong bones and healthy teeth! But that's probably all Greek to you, isn't it? Mr. Gingivitis!
2006-03-05 12:31:32 PM  
I used to drink unpasterized milk all the time when I baled hay during the summer in when I was in high school. I never got sick nor did any of the other hundreds of dairy farmers in my area of Ohio. I bet almost every dairy farmer in this country and their families drink unpastuerized milk without any problem. They sell raw oysters at resturants and nobody says a thing.

bitteroldman hinted on this earlier, Its when the little farmers are making money and the government doesn't get their cut of the sale through sales tax and regulatory fees, that is the real issue.
2006-03-05 12:37:04 PM  
When bootleg milk is outlawed, then only outlaws will have bootleg milk.

/just sayin
2006-03-05 12:38:32 PM  
What I would like to know, is if there really was this government/big dairy industry/Pasteur conspiracy the raw milk fans claim, why hasn't any evidence of it come to light in the over 100 years since his death?
2006-03-05 12:40:38 PM  
Dairy Fascists
2006-03-05 12:40:50 PM  
So I can go ahead and puff on a $5 pack of cancer sticks, guzzle down a bottle of Jack Damage, eat all the high-fat, cholesterol inducing fast food I can find and the government is ok with it, BUT if I want to drink milk straight from a cow's delicious teet, FUGGETABOUTIT.
2006-03-05 12:42:22 PM  
Glad someone is thinking here.
Follow The Money!
2006-03-05 12:49:32 PM  
Personally I prefer 2% from Safeway, but I'm rooting for the hippies. If I want to start my day by drinking raw milk, licking doorknobs, or dipping a refreshing glass of toilet water, I fail to see how it's the government's concern.
2006-03-05 12:52:57 PM  
There are some pretty good reasons why unpasteurized COW milk is banned.

Personally since the diseases and bacteria will kill only the persons (and sadly their kids) who willingly partake this crap...I don't care.

Go ahead, kill you kids. Watch them die of some bizzaro disease that the west figured out how to avoid 150 yrs ago.

After watching that I doubt you'd drink milk for a while.

Next thing you know they'll be eating raw eggs, raw chicken and stop cleaning their counter tops.
2006-03-05 12:57:44 PM  
If the dairy farmers in question just follow normal routines for keeping their equipment (and cows) clean and sanitized, the risks with unpasteurized milk are low. Like, very low.

Back in the day when we used the ol' bucket and hands, the advantage of pasteurizing the milk is substantial.

/drank unpasteurized milk daily for 10 years
//never sick. ever.
2006-03-05 12:59:51 PM

/imageshack is frighteningly apropos
2006-03-05 01:03:43 PM  
For the record, I would be the last person anyone would call a "hippy"
People like rob.d and others here who yap about disease have failed to make the slightest effort to check out the facts.
Scroll up and read my other posts so I don't have to repet.
Either way, I'm done with this thread.
Thinking people will check the facts.
Idiots will flap their mouths as always.
But I won't be checking this thread again. I'm done.
Thanks for the fun. I'm out.
2006-03-05 01:04:29 PM  
"Is raw milk worth the risk?" asked Mizer. "This state doesn't think so."

Eeeeesh. I'm with Jeff73 on this one. We may get to personally witness an Orwellian USA in our lifetimes. Oh, the joy.
2006-03-05 01:05:18 PM  
bitteroldman: Evidently those people don't realize that family farms exist, and don't all own pasteurization machines. ;)
2006-03-05 01:16:04 PM  
Wow! How did people get by all those centuries without the government regulating what went into their bodies! Good thing they are looking out for us.
2006-03-05 01:18:58 PM  
Holly: No, they're from Earth. I hope they've got some spare odds and sods on board. We're a bit short on a few supplies.
Lister: Like what?
Holly: Cow's milk. Ran out of that yonks ago. Fresh and dehydrated.
Lister: What kind of milk are we using now?
Holly: Emergency back-up supply. We're on the dog's milk.
Lister: Dog's milk?!
Holly: Nothing wrong with dog's milk. Full of goodness, full of vitamins, full of marrowbone jelly. Lasts longer than any other type of milk, dog's milk.
Lister: Why?
Holly: No bugger'll drink it.
2006-03-05 01:19:06 PM  
The Good: Drank unpasteurized milk for 13 years when growing up. Never got sick.

The Bad: I never got sick, so I never missed a day of school.
2006-03-05 01:26:46 PM  
Reminds of when I was visiting friends in Ohio back in the early nineties. We were at a grocery store in Cuyahoga Falls. While we were in the dairy aisle, we overhead a mother scolding her young son, who was bringing a package of cheese (Kraft cheddar I believe) to their cart. "Put that back now, you know I can make that cheaper at home." That became a running joke for the rest of the weekend.

Now I have in-laws who have a cow and are into this raw milk. One man, who is over 80 swears by it, but the rest of the family think he's nuts. And selling raw milk is illegal in Canada, too. Just in case you were wondering.
2006-03-05 01:42:56 PM  
My grandparents in Spain had their own cow. Grandma would milk her every day, boil the milk, and serve it to the entire family.

No one ever got sick from the milk, and my grandparents survived well into their 80s. I didn't particularly care for the milk, as it was way too rich for my liking (as I'd been raised in the USA and hadn't developed a taste for the stuff).

So, with proper handling straight cow milk is fine if you're into that sort of thing. Suckling the milk straight from the cow's teat is probably unwise, however. Cows lay in their own doody, after all.
2006-03-05 01:42:58 PM  
"Wow! How did people get by all those centuries without the government regulating what went into their bodies! Good thing they are looking out for us."

They died horrible deaths due to disease-filled sausages and spent their lives as addicts hooked on patent medicines that contained cocaine and heroin.
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