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2006-02-21 10:36:47 AM  
uttles: Unless the states made the same cuts, then the states are actually making more tax revenue now than before Bush's cuts.


huh?
 
2006-02-21 10:36:55 AM  
patrick767: I don't know about your state, but I thought here in Indiana if you fight the ticket and lose you'll also have to pay an extra fee for court costs. Maybe someone who's done so can tell me for sure.

That's pretty much the way anywhere. MY question is why do we pay taxes to put up the courthouse in the first place if we just have to pay more money to actually use it?
 
2006-02-21 10:37:32 AM  
"It's "legal" as long as people pay the fee instead of fighting it in court. This is a good example of why every ticket should be contested, even if you're guilty. Taking a ticket to court removes the profit for the state."

Hahahaha. I used to think that too, until I fought a ticket. Managed to get a reduction from 79 to 60, but then noticed the $65 "court fee" and the $10 "admin fee". They will make their money one way or the other.
 
2006-02-21 10:40:30 AM  
If I got a notice to pay a 'tax' to another state it would go straight in the garbage. A state has the power to tax its own residents, not the residents of a another state.
 
Ant
2006-02-21 10:40:32 AM  
obcityan: It seems to me that the most dangerous drivers are the ones that change lanes all the time without looking at any speed.

Or the ones who think that half a car length at 60 mph is plenty of stopping distance. I never see tailgaters get tickets. Why is that?
 
2006-02-21 10:40:42 AM  
Great Caesar's Toast: That's pretty much the way anywhere. MY question is why do we pay taxes to put up the courthouse in the first place if we just have to pay more money to actually use it?


not in MA, you can fight any speeding ticket without fear of being punished with extra fees, it's a silly liberal thing I know.
 
2006-02-21 10:41:01 AM  
Air tax?

Here in the lonely midwest we have the rain tax, why not?

Any property owner is now responsible for such & such an amount per square foot to cover costs incurred from rain. Classic.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2006-02-21 10:41:28 AM  
People vacationing in other states actually pay their speeding tickets?

If you don't pay you could lose your license. There is an interstate compact requiring license suspension for failure to appear or pay a fine in any other member state. That's why out of state speeders don't get hauled off to jail the way they used to -- they can be sure of getting their money.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2006-02-21 10:43:32 AM  
So if you don't pay the tax on your fine, do you get fined again?

There are tens of thousands of people who can't get a license until they pay all the fines they got for driving without a license because they couldn't get a license until they paid all the fines for driving without a license. It's a trap.
 
2006-02-21 10:43:55 AM  
It seems to me it's about time to throw the king in the sea along with the tea this time, Boston Tea Party.... I already pay 50% of what I make to these Farkers... after all the taxes and required fake insurances I pay.. Fark them!!!
 
2006-02-21 10:44:57 AM  
CA has been doing this for years. Some of the taxes are levied by the counties. If I remember right, the total taxes were 150 percent. I also remember if you fought the ticket, your option for traffic school was cut.

Highway extortion is one of the reasons I moved out of there.
 
2006-02-21 10:45:14 AM  
ZAZ: There are tens of thousands of people who can't get a license until they pay all the fines they got for driving without a license because they couldn't get a license until they paid all the fines for driving without a license. It's a trap.

And who thence drive around uninsured, because they can't get insurance without a license... and then they hit you, and you get screwed because your insurance company dropped uninsured motorist coverage, and they just get another fine they won't pay...
 
2006-02-21 10:46:53 AM  
This system has become so top heavy in Govt and leadership gluttony, that we are doomed for all but the top 2%, to return to the old methods of peasentry...
 
2006-02-21 10:46:57 AM  
There are tens of thousands of people who can't get a license until they pay all the fines they got for driving without a license because they couldn't get a license until they paid all the fines for driving without a license.

Ouch, my head a-splode
 
2006-02-21 10:49:04 AM  
Court fees are going to vary by state and won't necessarily cover the extra expense of the paperwork and court time. However, by fighting you have a good chance of winning when the cop doesn't show.

My local law library conveniently (ironically also since it's in the courthouse) has a copy of a book on how to fight your ticket by David Brown. Lots of great tips that show how you can win.

Using it, I've beaten one out of two tickets. Considering the insurance savings, it's definitely worth it.
 
2006-02-21 10:49:13 AM  
JBogg: we are doomed for all but the top 2%

Now, I know 98% of people I drive against (I'm sure as hell not driving WITH 'em) can't drive, but this is a little bit of a stretch.
 
2006-02-21 10:49:44 AM  
Lord_Dubu: I just hope they don't start taxing "thingy".

pooh-poohs?
 
2006-02-21 10:52:38 AM  
As far as a state levying taxes on citizens of other states goes:

If I go into another state that has a sales tax and purchase something, I have to pay the tax, right? If I get a speeding ticket in another state and there is a tax on that, I have to pay that, too, right?

Not sure if there is any legal grounds to refuse to pay that tax.

/not a lawyer
//don't play one on TV, either
 
2006-02-21 10:53:17 AM  
Yup a stretch, but needed to emphasize that the top 2% make all the rules, and there is nothing at all these days that seems to even slow them down, Freedoms are being removed more rapidly now than ever before, the common people are becomming poorer even faster, and the rich, the really rich, getting richer faster than ever, all monopolized, govt, and it is this type of methodology like making up their own laws, such as taxing drivers from other states for a ticket on a law likely setup to trap you for revenue in the first place......
 
2006-02-21 10:53:35 AM  
A state has the power to tax its own residents, not the residents of a another state.

So when you stopped at the gas station on your way though Pennsylvania, did you say "I'm just gonna go ahead and deduct those state taxes and only pay you $1.35 a gallon for this here fill-up."
 
2006-02-21 10:55:08 AM  
They have the same tax here in Kansas UNLESS you pledge your allegiance to the almighty creationist powers...
 
2006-02-21 10:56:29 AM  
archerjoe

I think the argument presented was referencing a tax after-the-fact, but you bring up an excellent point.

My thought would be: I agree not to pay your "tax" on a civil fine, and in return you agree not to let me drive in your state for the duration of the tax. Seems fairer. Sorta.
 
2006-02-21 10:56:49 AM  
obcityan: I was thinking the same thing about taxation without representation. Sadly no one seems to care about the constitution these days... with the wiretapping and all...

And you laughed at the "gun nuts" who were crying about the Second Amendment (first raped in 1938!). Let them do it to one right, they'll get around to them all, sooner or later.
 
2006-02-21 10:57:28 AM  
Great. Virginia too? I've gotten three speeding tickets in my life, all of them in Virginia.

\live in NC
\\looks like I'm never going to visit my parents again
 
2006-02-21 11:00:01 AM  
Stationed in Virginia for the last 2 years. Have been pulled over for speeding about 1/2 dozen times. Each time the State Trooper or City Police have let me off with a warning....and very politely, yes sir etc. Drives my wife nuts. So come to Virginia but if you get stopped, put your license in your left hand, roll down the window, and put both hands on the steering wheel...oh and say yes sir alot. Buzzy.

/Virginia even has a motorist assistance that will help you change a tire. Nice state, might just move here permanetly.
 
2006-02-21 11:00:14 AM  
"However, by fighting you have a good chance of winning when the cop doesn't show."

New York took care of that too. Any cop from the same department can stand in for the officer who wrote the ticket if he doesn't show. You have the option to refuse the case since he didn't show, but they will not dismiss it. You get to come back in a few months to do it all over again. Plus you get to pay the court fee twice.
 
Ant
2006-02-21 11:04:06 AM  
FLYNAVY: So come to Virginia but if you get stopped, put your license in your left hand, roll down the window, and put both hands on the steering wheel...oh and say yes sir alot.

I would try that, but I don't think I could utter the phrase "yes sir" in a sincere manner to save my life.
 
2006-02-21 11:05:52 AM  
Last week, however, the state of New York notified him that it now considers him an "at risk" driver and therefore he must either pay the state an annual $100 tax or a lump sum of $300.

Hmmm... reconsidering my numerous trips to new york now.
This may cost them more than it makes them in the end (not that I'm more than a drop in the bucket, but I doubt I'm the only one reconsidering my travel plans now, just out of principal).
 
2006-02-21 11:10:17 AM  
Fly Navy, I assume your in the Navy.

You get off as a military man that shows respect to the officer. Us normial people don't get that.

/not saying it's a bad perk to all the hardwork you guys do, just saying it's not a good example for all of "us"
 
2006-02-21 11:10:50 AM  
Ant:
Comes with the training I guess buddy. That plus the fact that I have alot of respect for anyone that has the balls to pull over a speeder at o dark thirty on a deserted highway that could be armed to the teeth & high on meth. They don't pay me enuf to do something that crazy.
 
2006-02-21 11:11:25 AM  
How about this? Are you ready?

Don't. Speed.

I've been driving for 10 years now and I've never had a speeding ticket.
 
2006-02-21 11:12:28 AM  
"yes sir" has turned potential problems with the police into much smoother situations. Learn it, live it, love it. Seriously. It beats a field sobriety test (past expereince, not present, and no, not proud of it).
 
2006-02-21 11:13:42 AM  
I've had 6 tickets and 1 reckless driving charge in the past year (4 speeding, one failure to stop in safe distance, one red light). I went to court for all but one of the first set, and also had reckless driving reduced to careless. I have yet to be informed of a new tax and I'm from MI. What gives?
 
2006-02-21 11:15:05 AM  
Living in VA, I went ahead and did a bit of research on this subject and found out what the deal is. This story states "Drivers with eight or more accumulated demerit points on their license would pay from $250 to $450 a year while drunken drivers would be charged $750 a year for three years, and any driver convicted of reckless driving would have to pay $350 a year for three years."

So how does this apply to drivers from other states? It doesn't. If you get a ticket in VA, but don't have a license in VA, the only fine you'll see is the fine for your ticket.

How about if you live in VA? Well, then things become interesting. A lot of states have information sharing agreements with neighboring states. This means that you could get a ticket in MD, pay the fine in MD, but then get an additional fine (tax) from Virginia for being an unsafe driver.

Mind you in Virginia, this isn't officially law yet as it's only passed the Senate. We'll have to see what the House of Reps pass and whether that's in there. Something tells me it will be though.
 
2006-02-21 11:17:02 AM  
"How about this? Are you ready?

Don't. Speed.

I've been driving for 10 years now and I've never had a speeding ticket."

Well, you certainly get a gold star. I think you are missing the point here.
 
2006-02-21 11:17:34 AM  
but I doubt I'm the only one reconsidering my travel plans now, just out of principal

Nobody should visit Texas, that's a given. I always use a taxi in NY and I can't see any reason to make the leap to Jersey.

I'm good.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2006-02-21 11:24:24 AM  
Don't. Speed.

I don't know what happens where you're from, but where I'm from the police have been fairly aggressive about ticketing people who were not speeding. Instead of a points tax we have a state-mandated insurance surcharge for tickets. Driving 65 on the Interstate could cost you $1,000.
 
2006-02-21 11:25:18 AM  
How exactly are these enforceable laws? Last time I checked, New York doesn't have any authority over me unless I live, work, or travel there. If I'm back in my home state, exactly what do they expect to do?

Extradite me?
 
2006-02-21 11:26:02 AM  
tastybeefjerky

So how does this apply to drivers from other states? It doesn't. If you get a ticket in VA, but don't have a license in VA, the only fine you'll see is the fine for your ticket.

Driving 80 MPH is "reckless driving" in Virginia, so if you're doing 15 MPH over the limit on the interstate and you live in, say, DC or Maryland, you're going to pay the tax. That's if it passes.

HotWingConspiracy if what you say is true, I won't drive in NY!
 
2006-02-21 11:26:41 AM  
HA!

I live in Tokyo. Awesome public transporation. 10% income tax rate. Zero Bush (minus the prime minister puppet).

/My American pride has all but diminished
//Buushu was waruii da yo!
 
2006-02-21 11:32:20 AM  
Anti_illuminati: I live in Tokyo. Awesome public transporation. 10% income tax rate. Zero Bush (minus the prime minister puppet).

Isn't it like 10 zillion times more expensive than the states though?
 
2006-02-21 11:32:39 AM  
Oh, just to emphasize the point, 15 MPH over the speed limit on a 65 MPH Interstate will fetch a $1050 tax (paid in three convenient yearly installments) PLUS the giant speeding fine itself, PLUS the insurance increase, if the House passes what the Senate and governor want.
 
2006-02-21 11:37:23 AM  
CmdrRat:
Yep, used to think that it was something like "professional courtesy", [have base stickers on the windscreen & MIL ID] but when driving my neighbors truck with just my CA license they are still the polite ever accomodating men in blue. I swear they are there to help us learn not to break the laws & help keep traffic safe & moving not to bust our chops. It's gotta be the yes sir & thank you officer sir stuff. Buzz.
 
2006-02-21 11:39:42 AM  
Now if this society wasn't so busy and fast paced and more "unified" against this sort of mistreatment of the government. Considering I'd say well over 75% of the population knows that speeding tickets and other minor violations are mainly revenue generators.

If we all drove 5 under (and I mean ALL) and no one got speeding tickets for a number of years due to this....kinda would make them realize that this "tax" was a waste of effort.

When they pass these laws, they could care less about people Obeying the law. They just want money. They know that people are impatient, and drive in mind numbing droves to work and back everyday, that will for certain generate revenue EVERYDAY.

People need to start thinking together, and stop drifting apart. This is why the government gets away with this crap.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2006-02-21 11:40:10 AM  
How exactly are these enforceable laws? Last time I checked, New York doesn't have any authority over me unless I live, work, or travel there. If I'm back in my home state, exactly what do they expect to do?

If New York tells your home state that your right to operate has been suspended in New York, your home state will suspend your license. There are a few exceptions but most states impose reciprocal suspensions when they learn about out of state suspensions.
 
2006-02-21 11:42:02 AM  
How about this? Are you ready?

Don't. Speed.


Yes, indeed. When the government imposes taxes and fines for reasons that have nothing to do with the official purpose of traffic safety and everything to do with revenue maximization, let us not question the wisdom of the laws or the lawmakers responsible for them, let us obey the law without question or dissent. They are our Supreme Overlords, after all, and calling their obviously greedy machinations obviously greedy machinations is Just Not Done.

Yeah, it's the law. That doesn't make it right.

/Don't have a car
//Don't drive, don't have to (live in a big city right next to a cab stand)
///One speeding ticket in my life, 49 in a 35. In 1994.
 
2006-02-21 11:42:47 AM  

Bacon Bits-

Welcome to one of the possibilities of the "National Driver's License".

Getting fined in other than your home state and losing your license or upping your renewal costs have been discussed.

Soon as the databases are running on up-to-date equipment.

/At the current rate, it'll be awhile.

//They NEED your dollars for new equipment to write more tickets.

///And fight speeding terrorists

 
2006-02-21 11:44:19 AM  
How exactly are these enforceable laws? Last time I checked, New York doesn't have any authority over me unless I live, work, or travel there. If I'm back in my home state, exactly what do they expect to do?

Extradite me?


No, but I wouldn't go back to New york unless you like jail, bench warrants and the like.
 
2006-02-21 11:46:51 AM  
Bacon Bits:

How exactly are these enforceable laws? Last time I checked, New York doesn't have any authority over me unless I live, work, or travel there. If I'm back in my home state, exactly what do they expect to do?
Extradite me?


Let us know in 2009, after emperor Hillary I has taken office.
 
2006-02-21 11:48:22 AM  
Let us know in 2009, after emperor Hillary I has taken office.

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