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(The Newspaper)   States are discovering an inexhaustible new source of revenue: A tax on speeding tickets   (thenewspaper.com) divider line 144
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2006-02-21 08:12:49 AM  
The bad thing for this guy is speeding tickets in NY almost don't exist. If you show up to court it gets knocked down to running a stop sign or something. I lived upstate through college and got out of a few. Of course it's hard to show up for court if you live out of state.
 
2006-02-21 08:19:10 AM  
I'm willing to bet that my friends from Toronto who've received speeding tickets in Buffalo are glad they went and did the traffic school thing now.
 
2006-02-21 08:20:57 AM  
why would you take a ticket for 72MPH when you were only doing 55MPH. Either way this is stupid. Speeding tickets are pure profit as far as I know.
 
2006-02-21 08:35:48 AM  
Well, the easy solution here is...don't speed!

/or maybe, don't get caught speeding!
 
2006-02-21 08:37:55 AM  
This is just great: get caught speeding once, pay for it for the rest of your life.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2006-02-21 08:41:22 AM  
why would you take a ticket for 72MPH when you were only doing 55MPH

I think he was going faster than 55 but less than the speed limit in a 55 zone when he missed a speed limit reduction to 45. Whatever the speed and speed limit, if he had known the $155 ticket was really a $455 ticket he could have taken the time to have it reduced. The system works as a bait-and-switch. "Pay this cheap ticket and you're done." "Oh, by the way, that cheap ticket costs three times as much as we told you."
 
2006-02-21 08:46:48 AM  
/wonders if there is fine print on the back of tickets pointing out this fee?
 
2006-02-21 08:48:26 AM  
How is a continuing fee on an out-of-state driver legal?

Why should they care?
 
2006-02-21 08:53:35 AM  
KyngNothing
How is a continuing fee on an out-of-state driver legal?

It's "legal" as long as people pay the fee instead of fighting it in court. This is a good example of why every ticket should be contested, even if you're guilty. Taking a ticket to court removes the profit for the state.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2006-02-21 08:53:52 AM  
Why should they care?

If New York revokes the driver's right to drive in New York for failure to pay the tax, the driver's home state may revoke his license.
 
2006-02-21 08:59:02 AM  
How is this tax even slightly valid? NY has zero jurisdiction over a resident of CT. Thus, they can't tax them. Sure, they can cite them for speeding and make them pay a fine for that, but a tax like this can't be legal.

/IANAL
 
2006-02-21 09:13:25 AM  
Hey. The states have to make up the lost revenue from the Bush federal tax cust somehow.
 
2006-02-21 09:40:27 AM  
This hasn't been about safety for a long time. When you base your entire society on the almighty dollar you get what you deserve.
 
2006-02-21 09:42:32 AM  

Last week, however, the state of New York notified him that it now considers him an "at risk" driver and therefore he must either pay the state an annual $100 tax or a lump sum of $300.


Wow, suck my balls NY
 
2006-02-21 09:43:48 AM  
I can only hope the federal goverment steps in and lays the smack down, interstate commerce and all that.
 
2006-02-21 09:47:55 AM  
Great Caesar's Toast:

I can only hope the federal goverment steps in and lays the smack down, interstate commerce and all that.

Keep hoping. The interstate commerce clause only gets invoked when it makes money for the involved parties.
 
rpm
2006-02-21 10:08:37 AM  
Great Caesar's Toast: I can only hope the federal goverment steps in and lays the smack down, interstate commerce and all that.

Also seems like you could pull the "taxation without representation" card, since he lives out of state.
 
2006-02-21 10:10:46 AM  
Wow, this is the biggest crock of shiat I've ever heard. I'd fight it tooth and nail. I daresay that I might actually surrender my license, if it came to it.
 
2006-02-21 10:11:26 AM  
That's like a tax on taxes.
 
2006-02-21 10:13:09 AM  
Coming soon..

The AIR tax!
 
2006-02-21 10:14:12 AM  
no SCARY tag?
 
2006-02-21 10:14:23 AM  
Wow...these programs seem more like government sponsored extortion than anything. Pay the fine for speeding, then pay this insane tax for three years. If you do all of that, we won't revoke your license.

They got the Mafia running the legislatures that passed these taxes?
 
2006-02-21 10:14:24 AM  
If its so inexhaustible, you'd think Texas would manage to use some of that cash to pay for the school system, which is a total disgrace.

/I'm just glad I graduated before kids had to pay to be in clubs, as they do now.
 
2006-02-21 10:14:43 AM  
This happened to me in Whitehall NY (I live in the city) I got caught in a speed trap where the speed went from 55 to 30 in less than 1/8 of a mile. to fight the ticket I would have had to drive 4 hours to get there so I thought I'd just pay the ticket and be done with it. It's bullshiat. The ticket IS the punishement. Double Jeopardy is what I say. Paying twice for the crime. Its just greed. fark NY.
 
2006-02-21 10:18:08 AM  
Who says driving fast means you are a bad driver? I'd like to see the research that says fast drivers get in more accidents... It seems to me that the most dangerous drivers are the ones that change lanes all the time without looking at any speed.

Also... even if they were to come out with a report that said that most accidents were caused by people going faster than the speed limit, it would be because no one drives under the speed limit. 55 on a 6 lane interstate is ridiculous. Yes I am talking about I75 Georgia.

rpm: I was thinking the same thing about taxation without representation. Sadly no one seems to care about the constitution these days... with the wiretapping and all...
 
2006-02-21 10:20:29 AM  
It's not a tax. It's extortion paid to keep your driver's license. In Texas, with no visible public transportation, it's a cynical poor tax too. The Texas state troopers were too scared to collect so after 2 years they gave it to a private, republican collection agency.
 
2006-02-21 10:20:48 AM  
/article farked
 
2006-02-21 10:20:52 AM  
I just hope they don't start taxing "thingy".
 
2006-02-21 10:21:04 AM  
This is completely Asinine. There is no way I would pay that tax, consequences be damned.

It is extortion, and if one looks throughout history, one will find that this kind of extortion leads to armed revolt.

It's a really good idea to steal from and piss off a populace that is, in general, armed. Didn't we revolt against England for extrotionate taxation without representation? Did Ben Franklin get laughed out of the House of Lords for requesting representation? Did we shoot redcoats?
 
2006-02-21 10:21:11 AM  
This simply can't be...can it?

I've got an idea for you lawmakers. Quit spending so damn much of my money on sheot and you won't have to make up things to charge me for.

/sheesh
//revolution
///is the American way
////it's getting about time
/////we are fools if we don't
 
2006-02-21 10:22:51 AM  
Is there more to this? zappadog, you have been assessed this same fee? Did you already have other tickets in NY state, or was it really just one?

And like the guy in the article, I assume your "speed trap" defense is what I would consider weak. My impression from TFA was that the driver may have had reason to think the limit was 55. But he was clocked at 72 anyway.

In your case, were you going 55, or even faster?

And how is $155 cheap for a ticket? I've gotten one speeding ticket in my life. It was on the highway in Utah, written as doing 90 in a 75. $40. I thought, "damn, set up a toll booth and I'd pay that up front for an hour or two less in this hellhole".
 
2006-02-21 10:23:09 AM  
Wow, I used to avoid NY because I had to go through NJ to get there...

/Shocker that NJ is another of the states doing this
//Fark Texas and Michigan too
 
2006-02-21 10:25:08 AM  
So I guess state legislators ARE really stupider than Congreessmen
 
2006-02-21 10:25:17 AM  
Read the article. I honestly did not know that states did this (or could do this!). I'll be writing my local reps, I hope you guys do the same.

On another note, it's "Pull-Over-Everything-On-The-Road Day" in Hot Springs, AR. Just a word to the wise.

DS
 
2006-02-21 10:25:32 AM  
Gee...I fondly remember the days when you got taxed for tangible things.

Crusader: This is just great: get caught speeding once, pay for it for the rest of your life.

I thought it would take a bit longer for us to get from sex offenders to traffic violators. But it seems like ultimately every infraction, no matter how major or minor, will be used against you in perpetuity.
 
2006-02-21 10:26:08 AM  
Thanks Fark....now I'm angry at the stupidity of the world again.
 
2006-02-21 10:27:16 AM  
Come one guys, if Texas is doing it, it has to be good.
 
2006-02-21 10:27:21 AM  
People vacationing in other states actually pay their speeding tickets?

Been pulling over at the Tennessee state line to switch drivers for years.
 
2006-02-21 10:27:47 AM  
Is it time for the revolution yet, or am I early again?
 
2006-02-21 10:31:13 AM  
I heard Senator Schumer said in Congress, "Gentlemen, let me tax your memories for a moment," when Senator Kennedy stood up and said, "Brilliant, Senator! Why didn't we think of that before!"
 
2006-02-21 10:31:15 AM  
New York, Michigan, New Jersey and Texas, Virginia,

THANK YOU for giving me a (another?) reason not to visit your state.

Regards,

(not so) Trapped-in-CH
 
2006-02-21 10:31:26 AM  
Do you get fined in Mass. for driving off a bridge, into the water?

/not if your passenger drowns!
 
2006-02-21 10:32:25 AM  
BitwiseShift: The Texas state troopers were too scared to collect

radiumsoup.com

Unavailable for comment.
 
2006-02-21 10:33:04 AM  
A tax on a fine?

img96.imageshack.us

Brilliant!
 
2006-02-21 10:33:51 AM  
No other tickets, did I say I WASN'T speeding? I was. It was midnight, came over a hill, the sign RIGHT THERE, I was going 65, started to slow down when I saw the sign, clocked going 58 in a 30. I cosidered it worse to slam on the brakes beacsue frankly, there was an annmoyed line of cars right on my ass because I wasn't going fast enough.

The amount of points is what qualified me for the "special" treatment.

Classic speed trap. Fund out later that the town is notorious for it.

Live and learn.

I'm fine with the ticket. Catch me speeding. OK, I'll pay. Its the double shiat that pisses me off.
 
2006-02-21 10:34:24 AM  
And todays dumbest post award goes to:

damageddude

Hey. The states have to make up the lost revenue from the Bush federal tax cust somehow.

Unless the states made the same cuts, then the states are actually making more tax revenue now than before Bush's cuts. But that's basic economics, and I can't expect a farker to understand such a thing.
 
2006-02-21 10:34:33 AM  
Of farking course.

We need to seriously overhaul campaign finance procedures and candidate viability parameters, we need to impose term limits on all of our politicians, and we desperately need to kill corporate personhood as we know it and bring back the line item veto.

Yes, and get rid of the expensive and futile war on drugs, too.
 
2006-02-21 10:35:34 AM  
Sorry about the typing. Hunt and peck...
 
2006-02-21 10:35:50 AM  
So if you don't pay the tax on your fine, do you get fined again? If so, can they tax that fine and create an infinite number of fined taxes?

In 5 years your $155 ticket will cost you eleventy billion dollars.
 
2006-02-21 10:35:53 AM  
Taxcheat
It's "legal" as long as people pay the fee instead of fighting it in court. This is a good example of why every ticket should be contested, even if you're guilty. Taking a ticket to court removes the profit for the state.


I don't know about your state, but I thought here in Indiana if you fight the ticket and lose you'll also have to pay an extra fee for court costs. Maybe someone who's done so can tell me for sure.

I'm still pissed that getting ONE speeding ticket on my record (72 in a 55) was enough for my insurance company to raise my rate from $440 to $620 per 6 months. That's farking extortion.

I just paid the $90 ticket because I thought one minor violation wasn't enough to effect insurance. I promptly dumped those farkers at Allstate, but still had to pay about $540 to get similar coverage at another company. I'm 29 and never had a claim in my life, but I'm a single male. That means they get to bend me over for car insurance.
 
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