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2006-02-17 06:56:45 PM
"Prayer Leader
The common everyday use of the word [imam] is for a person leading Muslim congregational prayers (salah). In this meaning the imam is not required to be a cleric."
- Wikipedia, "Imam"

However...

"In the Shia context, Imam has a meaning more central to belief.

The Shia believe that The Imam is someone who is able to lead mankind in all aspects of life. In addition they believe that an Imam is a perfect example in everything. According to Shia, an Imam is a leader that must be followed since he is appointed by Allah (GOD).

The Shia interpretation is that the Quran clearly says that only God can appoint an Imam and no one else has the power to designate one. The incident of Ghadeer-e-Khum is referenced as when Muhammad declared Ali as the leader of the community after him."
- ibid
 
2006-02-17 06:57:11 PM
Once we free ourselves of countries and religions (ALL OF THEM), we will have world peace.

Until the Klingons attack.
 
2006-02-17 06:57:19 PM
How much did Pat Robertson offer for the President of Venezuela? How much did Bill O'Reilly offer for San Francisco. Say what you will, at least those Muslims aren't cheap bastards.
 
2006-02-17 06:58:09 PM
dbaggins: I will say that Islam seems to be a few centuries behind the times. Isn't there some way to get them to join us in this century? or even just get up to last century? Could we donate our old VCR's and televisions to them or something ? seriously. I have an old Sony walkman and I could dig up my Commodore. To me, it's junk, but for them,.... what are these idiots lacking to live in the present ?

It's already in progress...
home.comcast.net
 
2006-02-17 06:59:15 PM
Bendite

Oh I am sorry, I had the Judge Moore group confused with the people that BOMB health clinics. My bad. (Actually, I thought they were one and the same.)


Eric Robert Rudolph?

Dude. You need to find some healthy outlet for all that hatred. Seriously.
 
kab
2006-02-17 07:00:07 PM
"How much did Pat Robertson offer for the President of Venezuela? "

The missing question is, how many people took this seriously? And if anyone DID, the backlash would have been interesting. I see no backlash from within here.
 
2006-02-17 07:01:08 PM
www.soniguales.com

Freeze, jaywalker!
 
2006-02-17 07:01:31 PM
Just for the record, I am a level 78 black mage, and can pwn any cleric or druid. What is this imam thing you speak of? Is it a new cleric/druid hybrid? If he is still using the pirate hook for his primary weapon, he must be a noob.
 
2006-02-17 07:01:58 PM
Add Jim Davis and Cathy Guisewhite to the list, and I'll chip in.
 
2006-02-17 07:02:15 PM
Dr.Zoidberg:

I think they're more like Bards, able to fire the passions of their fighter and barbarian party members with their verses. Also, like Bards, they can be powerful, but are also kind of lame and you have to be pretty devoted to play one.

Bravely bold Sir Robin rode forth from Camelot.
He was not afraid to die, O brave Sir Robin!
He was not at all afraid to be killed in nasty ways,
Brave, brave, brave, brave Sir Robin!

He was not in the least bit scared to be mashed into a pulp,
Or to have his eyes gouged out, and his elbows broken;
To have his kneecaps split, and his body burned away;
And his limbs all hacked and mangled, brave Sir Robin!

His head smashed in and his heart cut out
And his liver removed and his bowels unplugged
And his nostrils raped and his bottom burned off
And his pen--...
 
2006-02-17 07:02:56 PM
So....If a muslim kills the artist of the cartoon they will stop marching and burning things?

I highly doubt it.
 
2006-02-17 07:03:47 PM
Bendite, I did not know that. 100 to 1? Phew. Still, if you say you'll randomly kill 100 Farkers, it's not nearly as likely to get my attention as it would if you said that you'd kill 3 farkers off of a list of 15, and my name was on that list. As for your idea to get rid of religions, I'll sign your petition right now.

binnster, how many ranking clerics and imams have voluntarily martyred themselves? Not a snark, I really don't know. But every time I see post-suicide bombing bios on these guys, it's a bearded slob in rundown clothes and dusty sandals who was promised a better life by someone he'd been bred to trust since birth. Once you take out the guys making the promises, you'll have a lot less trouble.
 
2006-02-17 07:05:02 PM

But I'm not suggesting we start killing imams and clerics willy-nilly just to make a point.


no, not at all. This would be very official. We'd have this list see. all well vetted and properly typed up. If you are on the shiatList(tm) then that is a very bad thing. In fact, this would be an absolutely perfect way of communicating to the crazy Jihadist just how WE think.

I can see them now getting a letter in the mail explaining how the US and it's Coalition have determined that they in particular are now on a list. It would have letterhead and the signature of someone important. It would explain our official policy of 1 westerner equals 3 arabs. It would also tell them their current "ranking of doom".

What a perfect way for a country that watches wars on TV to express their displeasure.

What an absolutely brilliant terrorist recruitment campaign!

..oh , wait.
 
2006-02-17 07:05:36 PM
Let's see..Muslims causing 9-11, numerous riots, bombings, preaching jihad worldwide and even openly admiting they will accept nothing but total world domination.

Liberal'ss reaction: "Most muslims are peace loving innocent people and only a small percentage of them are terrorists."

Yet if a Christian so much as burps:

Liberal reaction "THOSE IGNORANT BACKWOODS, BIBLE THUMPING, RACIST, WHITE TRASH , BUSHBOT, SCUMBAGS. WE SHOULD ERADCATE THAT ENTIRE IGNORANT RELIGION AND SHOOT EVERY ONE OF THEM AND WHEN THEY COMPLAIN WE'LL JUST BRUSH IT OFF AS OMG PERSECUTION COMPLEX LOLZ!"
 
2006-02-17 07:06:19 PM
I'm not a religious man but I am a poetry fan and this one comes to mind.
-----
The Second Coming -- W. B. Yeats


Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all convictions, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.


Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
 
2006-02-17 07:06:20 PM
Scudder: I will KILL you!!

Lighten up Francis Scudder!
 
2006-02-17 07:07:01 PM
Remeber (spelling preserved) that ashat (again, spelling preserved) Judge Moore who seemed to cry just as much when his 10 little commandments went away?

Remeber
(yet again, spelling preserved) the uproar and hatred from the Christians in our own country? They were SCREAMING mad. The angry demonstrations? The vile comments form (spelling... aw, the hell with it, you're making this too easy!) them? Remember? All over a statue.

One and the same. One and the same.


No, not exactly. As a matter of fact, not even remotely close. I don't recall Moore offering bounties on peoples' heads. I also don't recall any 'vile' comments. A lot of pissing and moaning, but no threats.

It's a lot easier to beat up on people who don't hit back, isn't it? Especially on the internet, where everyone is a 7-foot, 350# kickboxer.

IMHO, atheists have a toddler's understanding of the world ("If I can't see it or hear it - like 'the invisible man in the sky' - it isn't real"), but I just don't have it in me to hate such people - or to hate anyone, for that matter. Pity would be condescending, so I can't do that either. Thus, I'll just have to leave it at, "Verrrry interesting...."

The whole idea of how atheism has become regarded as 'enlightened and sophisticated', as have the sort of effete, presupposing behaviors that tend to go along with it, is immensely entertaining.

Enjoy the weekend - ek777
 
2006-02-17 07:07:32 PM
Whoa, I'm trippin my nutsak in a frenzy of dik play!
 
kab
2006-02-17 07:07:49 PM
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand another thread gets turned into a righty / lefty comparision.

Someone Godwin it now please.
 
2006-02-17 07:09:03 PM
Once we free ourselves of countries and religions (ALL OF THEM), we will have world peace.

Pure and utter bullshiat. With no nations and no religions, people will just find another banner to wrap around themselves to express their dissatisfaction and kill other people.

Utopia does not, and will NEVER exist. Get over it. Your pathetic ramblings show you are just as much a 'faith-person/believer' as those you are denigrating in this thread.

Take off the blinders. Human nature won't change just because institutions around them change.

Either that, or you are an exceptional troll, but I prefer to believe you really are that hopelessly lost in your own belief system.
 
2006-02-17 07:09:17 PM
dbaggins... I hadn't considered the Ranking of Doom potential. I like the way you think.

/The phrase "all well vetted and properly typed up" made me laugh out loud.
 
2006-02-17 07:11:26 PM
dbaggins: I will say that Islam seems to be a few centuries behind the times. Isn't there some way to get them to join us in this century? or even just get up to last century? Could we donate our old VCR's and televisions to them or something ? seriously. I have an old Sony walkman and I could dig up my Commodore. To me, it's junk, but for them,.... what are these idiots lacking to live in the present ?

A few trillion Dollars. Whose idea was it to bomb them instead of flooding them with money? Good goin. You reap what you sow. And we seem to of planted a world wide garden.
 
2006-02-17 07:11:28 PM
Barricaded Gunman: binnster, how many ranking clerics and imams have voluntarily martyred themselves? Not a snark, I really don't know.

I don't know either, but I do know that if you start popping off clerics left right and centre, you certainly will not have a lot less trouble. You'll basically be confirming to their followers what they've been saying all along.

The way I see it, compared to ladders, bees or aspirin, terrorists are serious underachievers. Personally, I wouldn't waste a second's thought on them until they actually do something, and when they did I'd make damn sure I caught the bastards, which is something that's been seriously lacking for the last 5 years.
 
2006-02-17 07:11:37 PM
D&D references are not particularly helpful against the insurgency.
 
2006-02-17 07:13:35 PM
xolik

I see the same pattern...

I have yet to see any major push by the Muslim community for peace.
 
2006-02-17 07:13:57 PM
i1.tinypic.com


i1.tinypic.com



I OFFER ONE BILLION DOLLARS FOR THE HEAD OF GARY LARSON
 
2006-02-17 07:14:36 PM
I have to say, the solution to stone-age religious fanatics is probably not "bomb them back to the stone-age"

I think they need more chips n beer and Katamari
 
2006-02-17 07:15:19 PM
el_kabong777... I'm not trying to micturate in your wine spritzer, but saying "IMHO, atheists have a toddler's understanding of the world..." is bit self-serving.

Is it really more mature to attribute everything you can't explain to an all-knowing, magical super-being? I went through the same cultural sensitivity training as everyone else at the Academy, but I look at most religions as being started by primitive people crouched around a campfire making up stories to explain the sun and the stars.
 
2006-02-17 07:16:27 PM
I wonder how much impact this will have on other religions?

As people start looking at the lunacy that's behind these Islam-oriented riots, maybe it will cause people to take a look at the horrific lack of logic, reason and plain common sense in their own more "civilized" religions.

I honestly predict we'll get a lot less "true believers" all the way across the religious spectrum once the rank and file compare this particular idiocy to the idiocy they themselves have been raised with.
 
2006-02-17 07:16:58 PM
2006-02-17 07:07:01 PM el_kabong777

IMHO, atheists have a toddler's understanding of the world ("If I can't see it or hear it - like 'the invisible man in the sky' - it isn't real"), but I just don't have it in me to hate such people - or to hate anyone, for that matter. Pity would be condescending, so I can't do that either. Thus, I'll just have to leave it at, "Verrrry interesting...."


Yeah, there's nothing AT ALL condescending about claiming that others have a "toddler's understanding of the world" or "leave[ing] it at 'Verrrry interesting....'"
 
2006-02-17 07:17:23 PM
Can you imagine how much of the middle east we could of just, you know, BOUGHT, for half a trillion dollars ??

I bet we could have just bought Fallujeh for $100,000 instead of spending $40M just on armaments bombing and shooting it.
 
2006-02-17 07:18:39 PM
el_kabong777: IMHO, atheists have a toddler's understanding of the world ("If I can't see it or hear it - like 'the invisible man in the sky' - it isn't real"), but I just don't have it in me to hate such people - or to hate anyone, for that matter. Pity would be condescending, so I can't do that either. Thus, I'll just have to leave it at, "Verrrry interesting...."

It's okay, we don't ask for your pity or hate... or your proselytizing. Or your religious governance, so stop trying that as well.

And yeah, if I can't see or hear something, or detect it with a good particle accelerator, spectrophotometer, MALDI-TOF, neutrino observatory, or whatever, I don't just trust that it is actually there. I don't see how that is less "mature" than believing that something you can never prove (or disprove) is real.
 
2006-02-17 07:18:52 PM
I've gotten many reactions from some of my American Moderate Muslim friends and associates about this Danish cartoon fiasco. They have a pretty generelized feeling that these countries own governments are adding fuel to the fire by allowing the re-publications of these cartoons as well as advocating, albeit secretly, incendiary comments made by influential clerics within individual communities. The reason why some of these governments, like Egypt Libya Pakistan Syria Iran, have such a stake in all this is because it distracts from the exaggerated disparity of wealth within these countries and their high ass unemployment rate. Sure some anti-western dissent can be justified, but the rabid violence and calls for vengeful killings are fabricated from certain factions within their own governments. These people have nothing else to latch onto in their lives but their own salvation in religion.
The only way this idiocy can be stopped is to personally reprimand each of these governments for not controlling their own population through adequate policing, but it goes much further than that because the complex socio-economic tribulations of the Middle East really have no quick fix and most likely will be endured for the rest of our lifetimes.
Some of you are quick to condemn the entire Muslim population for their reactionary beahvior, but these people in truth need an awful lot of help, and fighting fire with fire isn't going to help the situation out that much. I remember 10-15 years ago we could change a country's governmental direction just by flaunting our way of life in a positive light. Unforcefully we could say to the world "this is how it's done!" and they would follow because we were admired! Everyone wanted to be like us, but unfortunately the world has changed because we discarded every inch of our post 9/11 capital out the window due to lame brain prioritizing and poor foreign policy decision making. Just like we see the Muslim world as terrorists and violent extremists, the world sees us as right wing conservatives who want to forcefully press our inadequate 1950's agenda. Good luck to you all, and hopefully our next administration , either repub or dem, can have the peace of mind to get back to square one.
 
2006-02-17 07:18:54 PM
IMHO, theists have a toddler's understanding of the world ("I dont need proof to believe something, like an invisible man in the sky"), but I just don't have it in me to hate such people - or to hate anyone, for that matter. Pity would be condescending, so I can't do that either. Thus, I'll just have to leave it at, "Verrrry interesting...."
 
2006-02-17 07:19:36 PM
el_kabong777

IMHO, atheists have a toddler's understanding of the world ("If I can't see it or hear it - like 'the invisible man in the sky' - it isn't real")


How about "I don't understand it, therefor God did it!" Talk about toddler...
 
2006-02-17 07:20:36 PM
Peaceman: Yeah, maybe so, but I've not seen any Imam's weilding maces or casting Creeping Doom.

Well, perhaps they just don't like maces, but obviously their WIS is a 9 or below.
 
2006-02-17 07:20:51 PM
BrotherLove:
Yeah, there's nothing AT ALL condescending about claiming that others have a "toddler's understanding of the world" or "leave[ing] it at 'Verrrry interesting....'"

Yeah, that last bit does tend to be a code for "oh my you have a logically valid point, and I can see my half-baked arguments won't sway you, so I'm just going to unilaterally declare victory"...
 
2006-02-17 07:21:19 PM
Hey somemoron;

"The world will never be free until the last king is strangled in the entrails of the last priest."

Barbarism has nothing to do with human nature. Its throw backs like yourself that choose to be backwards then claim its nature.

Its called free will. You are permitted to CHOOSE your behaviour. I will choose Utopia as my goal, will you?
 
2006-02-17 07:21:48 PM
xolik: Let's see..Muslims causing 9-11, numerous riots, bombings, preaching jihad worldwide and even openly admiting they will accept nothing but total world domination.

Liberal'ss reaction: "Most muslims are peace loving innocent people and only a small percentage of them are terrorists."

Yet if a Christian so much as burps:

Liberal reaction "THOSE IGNORANT BACKWOODS, BIBLE THUMPING, RACIST, WHITE TRASH , BUSHBOT, SCUMBAGS. WE SHOULD ERADCATE THAT ENTIRE IGNORANT RELIGION AND SHOOT EVERY ONE OF THEM AND WHEN THEY COMPLAIN WE'LL JUST BRUSH IT OFF AS OMG PERSECUTION COMPLEX LOLZ!"


I don't know about the rest, but you certainly got the 'persecution complex' part right.....
 
2006-02-17 07:21:58 PM
Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...

Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...

Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.
 
2006-02-17 07:22:10 PM
somemoron

D-lan: WTF is this "dumbass" tag for, it should be asisne. Although carictures of jesus smokin crack world have whitey riotin'!

Even better, in a jar of urine! Oh man, the destruction THOSE riots would cause!


I'm sure he didn't get it, but I did.
 
2006-02-17 07:23:05 PM
binnster...

You are my IDOL!!!1one!1
 
2006-02-17 07:24:20 PM
Let's put Ross Perot in and let him Blast the middle-east into a glass factory. He would call it cost-efficient. Forget the troops, drop da bomb. Then drill into Alaska.

Oh yeah, I forgot about the tree-humpers..uh..uh..huggers.
 
2006-02-17 07:26:45 PM
binnster... the "ladders, bees and aspirin" portion was my favorite part. Kudos, I say!

As for catching the bastards, our Dear Leader has other things on his alleged mind at the moment.
 
2006-02-17 07:30:22 PM
I'm grown-up enough to recognize that Muslims and Christians express their displeaure very differently. Western christians are not going to riot in the streets. no matter what act you commit with a christian symbol. Islam needs to skip ahead 500 or so years in their devlopment. Their acting like a bunch of dark-ages christians.

Now, "whooping their asses" has a lot of emotional appeal. It would feel cathartic to spill lots of their blood and orphan their children. It would also only make things worse I fear. So, do you want a solution, or do you want to feel good (temporarily) ?

I have lots of issues with Christians, but this is not something I lay awake at night worrying about. we could have a "fornicatin' jebus" photoshop and at most Drew would get some rude letters and Bevets would spout scripture.
 
2006-02-17 07:32:56 PM
www.zombietime.com
 
2006-02-17 07:34:42 PM
www.zombietime.com
 
2006-02-17 07:35:10 PM
I want to start seeing some cartoons by the infamous Berke Breathed regarding this!

Bloom County needs a Muslim character, and I think Mohammad fits the bill!

-daydream begins-
Bill the Cat, who has declared himself a Muslim Imam, and declared a holy war on Jean Kirkpatrick. Allah Aaackbar!

Oliver then starts working on a computer supervirus that will render the all Muslims impotent.
-end daydream-

/Hey...anything Bloom County is funny. Would be better if Berke wrote this rather than me though!
 
2006-02-17 07:36:21 PM
www.cagle.com
 
2006-02-17 07:36:41 PM
No Such Agency

It's okay, we don't ask for your pity or hate... or your proselytizing. Or your religious governance, so stop trying that as well.

And yeah, if I can't see or hear something, or detect it with a good particle accelerator, spectrophotometer, MALDI-TOF, neutrino observatory, or whatever, I don't just trust that it is actually there. I don't see how that is less "mature" than believing that something you can never prove (or disprove) is real.


Can you see or hear thoughts or emotions or black matter? Let's go back a few years and see what scientists thought was true. I think they thought the earth was flat. They couldn't see or hear it so they just .... thought it. They used leeches to bleed people to get the nasty red fluid out of them. You seem to be intelligent so you have to admit that science is really clueless. Everything we learn just leads to more questions. How many universes are there? You know more about this than I, I'm certain of that and I'm not a religious man. I do however know that I don't know everything, nor can I see, hear or detect everything in this vast universe. I don't agree with the man sitting in the clouds in a big chair... but what do I know?

And all of this is totally off topic. We are discussing Muslims putting a 1 million dollar bounty on cartoonists' heads. And they beleive in Allah and they don't care if you do or not.
 
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