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(Local6)   Having run out of titanium rods during surgery, Dr. Macgyver was forced to improvise and hillarity did ensue   (local6.com) divider line 138
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2006-02-15 03:55:01 PM
i'm no doctor (and i don't play one on tv)
but even I don't start messing with something
(car, lightswitch, propane grill etc)
unless i know i've got the stuff i need to fix it.

start carving into a dude's neck and THEN
you find out you're out of rods?
i say take away the 'doctor's' license.

/the problem isn't too many malpractice lawsuits
//the problem is too many instances of malpractice
 
2006-02-15 03:55:03 PM
Okay...what should he have done? It sounds like he made a reasonable decision to me.
 
2006-02-15 03:55:10 PM
Man, that really sucks for the surgeon. What should he have done? Hindsight tells me he should have checked his BOM against inventory before even putting the patient under, but I guess surgery doesn't work like electronics, although it should!
BOM is bill of materials, like if he knows he'll need 12 rods of size x, he should be able to count at least 12 rods of size x on his tray before chopping away.
 
2006-02-15 03:59:02 PM
When I was a kid we lost one of the plastic bones for our Operation game. We just used a piece of a toothpick instead. Operation Harry never sued.
 
2006-02-15 03:59:13 PM
MacgyverJr
neckhole:
my username almost applies!

Mine too


Mine three!
 
2006-02-15 03:59:38 PM
The article doesn't say but is there any harm here? What are they suing for?
 
2006-02-15 04:00:52 PM
Problem is that the body reacts differently to steel, even stainless steel, than it does to titantium. Inside the body is a nasty place, and even "stainless" steel isn't stainless, it's stain-resistant. Titanium's much better that way, not to mention being stronger - as this piece will attest to. And I don't buy for a minute that this doctor should get off for not checking himself before opening that all the required implants were on hand. I don't care if it's hospital policy, it's just the right thing to do.
 
2006-02-15 04:02:37 PM
I didnt read the FA but I did see the link on CNN. If you believe what he says, the rod they were using broke, and it would have taken 2 hours to get another one. He was afraid to leave the guy under for 2 hours with an unstable neck. He broke another tool and used it to hold the neck steady, until they could get the right stuff.

Dosen't make a good story, but at least explains it.

PS Whats the differance between Neurosurgeons and God, God doesn't think he is a surgeon.
 
2006-02-15 04:03:08 PM
While he did act in the best interest of the patient not leaving him without a neck, it is also a major f/u by the hospital/doctor/nurses for not checking before the surgery started that they have the necessary tools and equipment.
 
2006-02-15 04:04:04 PM
jayloxx: womens work.


Uh, guess what? Lots of nurses, especially ortho nurses, are men.

Asshat.
 
2006-02-15 04:04:49 PM
Man, you try to do someone a favor and you end up getting sued.

Just goes to show ya, no good deed goes unpunished...
 
2006-02-15 04:05:01 PM
What a huge farking screw up. Remind me never to select Automatic Jack on a jury.
 
2006-02-15 04:06:45 PM
Don't thank me, thank the moon's gravitational pull.

/can't believe I'm the first to say this
//or maybe I'm not, and I just missed it.
///slashy, slashy, slashy
 
2006-02-15 04:07:25 PM
Boobies!!!
When I was a kid we lost one of the plastic bones for our Operation game. We just used a piece of a toothpick instead. Operation Harry never sued.

That's because the alcoholic bastard's liver bled out and he died on the table. You probably banged his wife afterward too, didn't you?

/what did you think those two D-batteries were for?
//Cavity Sam wants restitution!
 
2006-02-15 04:13:25 PM
The doctor doesn't have a clean record at all (from a different article): Doctor Ricketson's problems began years before he started working at Hilo Medical Center. State records indicate his medical license had been suspended in Oklahoma and revoked in Texas because of drug use. He'd apparently prescribed narcotic medication for patients, but used it himself. Hawaii also placed him on probation for drug use. Ricketson admits to having five prior malpractice lawsuits against him, according to a file at Hilo Hospital.

Yeah, and the patient died, btw. He had to have three corrective surgeries from the screwdriver, and he died from an infection post surgery. No wonder the family's suing.
 
2006-02-15 04:14:25 PM
my username is related in no way to this headline. damnit.
 
2006-02-15 04:14:36 PM
Are you people serious asking why the doctor and the hospital are getting sued?

If the doctor was really doing what he thought was in the best interest of the patient he probably would have informed the family/patient that something went wrong during the operation and a he had to create a temporary solution. Instead he closed him up and just hoped that nobody would notice the screwdriver handle sitting in the trash can.
 
2006-02-15 04:15:16 PM
This sounds just like something Curly would do to a patient under extreme duress from Moe.
 
2006-02-15 04:15:30 PM
MacgyverJr: neckhole:
my username almost applies!

Mine too



Mine too!

/If the doctor used monkeys instead of screwdrivers.
//...and the patient died as a result.
 
2006-02-15 04:17:39 PM
Calling all grammar/spelling Nazis!

Schedule classes immediately for illiterate submitters.
 
2006-02-15 04:17:50 PM
mesmer242: Yeah, and the patient died, btw. He had to have three corrective surgeries from the screwdriver, and he died from an infection post surgery. No wonder the family's suing.


Oh. Now I feel bad for making that joke.

/Just a little.
 
2006-02-15 04:18:10 PM
The needed rod WAS there when surgery started but it broke. The doctor made the right call and improvised to avoid complications with the anethesia. The only question is, who is at fault for the broke rod? If the staff broke it, the hospital should be sued. If it was a faulty rod, then the medical supply company should be sued.
 
2006-02-15 04:20:00 PM
drjeff1968
Those look like _screws_ in the x-ray, not a screwdriver. I don't think titanium rods are threaded and pointed on the end.

Thank you, I came here to say that as well.

Mr. Idiot reporter can't tell the difference between the two.
 
2006-02-15 04:20:30 PM
omnimancer28: are you an doctor, or are you just playing one on fark.com?
 
2006-02-15 04:20:50 PM
Death By Monkey: Nah, don't feel bad. This is fark. I don't think anybody feels guilt or sorrow for anything they say on here.

Oh, more fun facts! The doctor didn't have insurance. He can't even afford a lawyer.
 
2006-02-15 04:24:33 PM
 
2006-02-15 04:24:47 PM
"turralde's family is now suing the Ricketson"
the?
 
2006-02-15 04:25:17 PM
Quantum Apostrophe: BOM is bill of materials, like if he knows he'll need 12 rods of size x, he should be able to count at least 12 rods of size x on his tray before chopping away.

Or, say 12 + a few extra just in case. That would solve the "oops one broke" problem as well as the "oops we miscounted" problem.

/always has a few extra
/possibly anal retentive
 
Jha
2006-02-15 04:26:22 PM
No Frankenstein's monster pictures yet?!
 
2006-02-15 04:29:20 PM
I understand what the problem is. I have two titanium rods in my back and if I found out that the doctor had actually just rigged something together I would be MAD!! LOL
 
2006-02-15 04:32:21 PM
If what mesmer242 is saying is correct, that Local6 article is... well, pretty typical for a Local6 breaking article, isn't it? Anyway, taking the articles statements, there isn't a basis to sue, imo, according to what mesmer242 states, the doc shouldn't be practicing. (paging Dr. House)

Also, I was trying to find a screwdriver in that pick and not screws/rods as I actually saw.
 
2006-02-15 04:32:23 PM
Those screws are supposed to be there. The piece connecting them is the broken screwdriver.
 
2006-02-15 04:35:53 PM
A doctor can use whatever procedure he deems medically necessary--as long as it works, he (or she) is OK. As an example, doctors prescribe drugs every day outside of the indications in the labelling, because they feel the 'side effects' of them will alleviate the ailment.

However, look at the Xray. The rod at the head of the two screws is the shaft of the screwdriver (probably a surgical screwdriver, if you rtfa). It is supposed to be perpendicular to both of the screws, but it broke, thereby negating the stabilizing effect.

If he did die, he might have wound up paralyzed before the supposed infection set in. There's more to this story.

/used to manage a surgery center
 
2006-02-15 04:39:20 PM
Why do people, especially people in positions of power, feel that lying is the best scenario?

If this doctor had done this and then explained what happened and then rescheduled to put the right rods in, worst case, he gets sued, but at least he didn't attempt to cover up the mistake and the mistake might even have been the hospital's for not having the supplies he needed, but not now. Nope, this dude is gonna get crucified and he'll probably lose his license.

You can't lie when there's a bunch of witnesses. Sooner or later one will defect and leave you twisting in the wind.
 
2006-02-15 04:40:32 PM
Machtyn: There's a lot of conflicting information. But this is where I got mine from:

http://starbulletin.com/2006/02/10/news/story12.html
 
2006-02-15 04:41:00 PM
Id rather have a screwdriver in my neck than nothing to support it.

They would have sued him for not doing the operation as planned.
 
2006-02-15 04:42:02 PM
jasroc: drjeff1968
Those look like _screws_ in the x-ray, not a screwdriver. I don't think titanium rods are threaded and pointed on the end.

Thank you, I came here to say that as well.

Mr. Idiot reporter can't tell the difference between the two.


The screwdriver is the broken vertical rod, not the screws.
 
2006-02-15 04:47:47 PM
Whoever mis-ordered or mis-counted the titanium rods is the one who screwed up. The surgeon did the only ting he could do in the situation. The guy is alive. Thats what matters.

And im pretty sure the screwdriver he used isnt some worn rusty phillips head he got from the toolbox in the shed.
 
2006-02-15 04:59:16 PM
I worked in ortho/neuro surgery for a long time and the FIRST thing you do before a major implant case is make sure you have everything on the table or available somewhere before putting the patient to sleep. The only time I remember not having a specific implant was a methhead motorcyclist who fractured his femur during a police chase and the butthead surgeon who came over from another hospital didn't like our brand of IM rods and we had to send a police car ten miles away over to his hospital to get one while the patient was intubated.
 
2006-02-15 04:59:57 PM
Responsiblity rolls uphill in the medical field.

Tech lays out instruments.
Second tech counts instruments.
Nurse counts instruments.
Surgical nurse counts instruments.
Doctor counts instruments.

until the word "Doctor" appears in that list, no one has malpractice insurance. You think they want to sue a tech making $8 an hour, a nurse with no insurance, or a doctor with $10,000,000.00 worth of malpractice insurance?

The guy lived, he's not crippled, the doc made the best out of a bad situation. I say if the asswipe wins the lawsuit, they reach in with a pair of pliers while in court and yank the offending pieces out of his neck before sending him home.

Just my thought, though.
 
2006-02-15 05:00:07 PM
my username almost applies!

Mine too


Mine too, if boobies were involved.
 
2006-02-15 05:12:22 PM
The main thing that bothers me about this story is that they apparently keep a hacksaw in the operating room. You know, because you might need it. Probably have a hammer too.
 
2006-02-15 05:12:39 PM
JTorres176, rodr3... He didn't live. He died after three surgeries to try to correct the first one. He was paralyzed most of that time.
 
2006-02-15 05:12:59 PM
Feldmeyer said she complained to superiors at the hospital on different occasions but was told to keep quiet

Seems to be the problem everywhere these days.
 
2006-02-15 05:19:15 PM
JTorres176

until the word "Doctor" appears in that list, no one has malpractice insurance.

Actually, a lot of nurses, especially OR nurses, are getting malpractice insurance these days.
 
2006-02-15 05:22:16 PM
Nursenut: most surgeons are egotistical bastards and orthopedic surgeons are even worse.

I'll second that!
 
2006-02-15 05:23:47 PM
Can't you just picture it, a couple of guys standing around this poor knocked out bastard, putting the screwdriver into his neck and turning to the other one with a "yeah, that'l hold"... thats the kinda scenario that should stay in the garage when your workin on your muscle car with a cold beer and a buddy on a sunday....too funny
 
2006-02-15 05:31:22 PM
boobsrgood: Feldmeyer said she complained to superiors at the hospital on different occasions but was told to keep quiet

Seems to be the problem everywhere these days.


I'll second that too...it's sick the way that the buck gets passed around in healthcare.

"let's look at the process"
"what piece do we need to put in place to facillitate the process"
"let's form a committee to look at the piece that needs to be put in place to facillitate the process"

It's a double talk, management speak and busywork to hide the real issues and nothing ever gets solved.

Love my job...hate they system.
 
2006-02-15 05:39:28 PM
Ok. So how is his neck doing?
 
2006-02-15 05:52:32 PM
Dass Hawaiian style, brah. Just gotta make do. No mo da special kine rods you supposed fo use? Ehh, no worries! Use one screwdrivah, buggah will work.

/only other people from Hawaii will be able to properly parse that sentence
 
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