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(Nola.com)   Houston police veteran sums up New Orleans evacuees thusly: "Most of them are -- I'm trying to think of a good word -- wiseasses. Yep, wiseasses"   (nola.com) divider line 376
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2006-02-13 12:43:49 AM
2006-02-12 10:33:34 PM Partisan

huszar!: I could travel damn near anywhere and find an entry-level job in a week.

Oh really? Even if you were bused there with nothing except the clothes on your back? Oh and maybe 2-3 kids to take care of? And I suppose if it were you, even if you had no money, no place to live (except a shelter) and no contacts, it still wouldn't be a problem, right?


Uh..."right". Believe it or not, lots of people deal with live in both good and not so good times. To hear you tell it, poor and destitute is a permanent condition and those who have opened their doors generously to those people have zero right to expect some kind of personal initiative.

Then again, consider the calibre of the average evacuee. As has been said many times in this thread...we're not dealing with displaced CEO's, millionaires and the like. Is it possible that their indolence and lack of progress has zero to do with Katrina? Consider for evidence their "plight" before the storm hit. I'd suggest that their inability to establish a "life" elsewhere (meaning personal responsibility, productive citizenry and such) has more to do with their conditioned upbringing than it does with 8 feet of water and some wind and rain.

Personally, my family lost everything...twice. Neither of my parents has a college degree but they worked damn hard, re-settled (again, twice) and saw to it that me and my sister went to school and were raised to value self-dependence and a work ethic.

I'd suggest that the welfare society that was created to redress past racial grievances with eternal government entitlements has created an entire class of people for whom self-dependence, hard work, upward social mobility through personal effort and self respect is a completely alien concept. Expecting them to suddenly acquire the habits of hard working people is, indeed, probably too much to hope for.

And on that single point I'd guess we agree...but I doubt we agree on the causation. Where you see storm = losing everything = excuse to not got off your ass within 6 mos I see they've never been off their ass = their things were acquired by someone giving them to them and not by earning them = why do something to get something when they can do nothing and get something.

It's a shame they were conditioned to not be able to do for themselves when the government infrastructure that they so obviously cannot live without failed them. If I were a black leader I'd be ashamed at the utter inability of my people to pick themselves up and dust themselves off. Farrakhan, for all his idiocy, does get that part right...minorities in this country cannot be beholden to the government for their existence...it's just another form of slavery.
 
2006-02-13 12:45:24 AM
I already explained why the iraq war was necessary. Nearly all of america's enemies are in the middle east, and we had to send them a loud, clear message "THIS CAN HAPPEN TO YOU" Iraq was nothing more than an example to the rest of the world, as i've been stating. The fact that the war was illegal is just icing on the cake, another layer of muscle over the already bulging american bicep. It says "We're so strong we dont have to follow international law" As for making us look weaker, i disagree. Perhaps morally weaker, but it makes us seem more unstable and more dangerous, which on the international stage is not weakness when youre the top dog. The point i was raising is, yes, we ARE morally justified in making other countries fear us. The united states IS NOT RESPECTED, and WILL NOT BE RESPECTED NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, so the next best thing to keep the monkeys in line is fear. We used Iraq to put the fear in them. How many terrorist attacks have occured on american soil since we invaded iraq?

I rest my case
 
2006-02-13 12:46:03 AM
The dumbest thing I've heard recently, was some neocon talk show host say that we shouldn't help out in ANY domestic disaster, because they should be able to pull themselves up by their bootstraps themselves.

He actually mentioned the Great San Fransisco earthquake, and fires.

Idiot. Many more people died from disease afterward, from improper sanitation and water supplies than were killed in the quake.

It was about that time we decided to all chip in and come to the aid of any city that was in trouble.

In my life, I've paid over $500k in taxes.
Taxes that I thought were to be used to benefit US CITIZENS.

It wasn't some random donation.
 
2006-02-13 12:50:34 AM
AstronomyDomine

How is this the fault of the middle class? There isn't going to be a middle class in the next five years. The people who are destabilizing this country are the poor who continue to break the law and live up to their stereotypes and the super-rich who shelter all of their money and lobby for destructive domestic and foreign policy. You might was well substitute "middle class" with "whitey" or "The Man."
 
2006-02-13 12:51:40 AM
ShotgunLobotomy
How many terrorist attacks have occured on american soil since we invaded iraq?

Holy moly. Hook, line, and sinker.
It reminds me of a Simpsons episode.

Lisa? What is that?

It's a magic rock, it keeps away tigers.
Does it work?
Well you see any tigers here do you?
Can I buy it?

The biggest case of domestic terrorism prior to 9/11, was carried out by a US citizen in Oklahoma City.
 
2006-02-13 12:53:40 AM
ShotgunLobotomy

The money was better spent on the iraq war, for the simple reason that it was time for another war. It had been a long time coming since the USA flexed it's muscle for the rest of the world. Our failure to do so, in my opinion, is why 911 happened. Bin Laden and his boys underestimated who they were farking with, and we had to step on them. ...Countries forget, governments forget, people forget, that we are the most powerful body on the planet, and if we so much as desire to wipe you and your people off the face of the planet we can do it overnight, whether the UN likes it or not. Iraq didnt have WMD's, we all know that,many of us knew that before we went in. The country we chose to invade was a subjective decision, it didnt matter who we crushed, so long as we crushed someone . It just so happened that Saddam drew the winning ticket in the "bomb the fark out of me" lottery, and we cashed it for him.

So what happens when we have another terrorist attack in the U.S.? According to your logic, we'd have been just as well off if we had lit that $200 billion on fire...
 
2006-02-13 12:55:50 AM
howdoibegin

I think the message is obvious.

If you've been through tough times, and then your place of living is eradicated over a week, prepare to be judged. Its your own damn fault you havn't since started a business and become a darling of the capitalist world, a hard worker with a good income who can support yourself. Even if you're forced to live in a box, remember; any trouble you stir up will only make you the poster child for another city's problems.

Sleep tight,
your neighbours (should be your social programs, but those are for losers, right? so just rely on those neighbours who dont support the idea of those programs.)


So obviously being a criminal is the moral choice.


Retard.
 
2006-02-13 12:56:53 AM
ShotgunLobotomy
The united states IS NOT RESPECTED, and WILL NOT BE RESPECTED NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, so the next best thing to keep the monkeys in line is fear.


Damn I just knew we should have bombed Oklahoma, just to "keep those monkeys in line".
 
2006-02-13 12:56:56 AM
2006-02-13 12:45:24 AM ShotgunLobotomy

I already explained why the iraq war was necessary. Nearly all of america's enemies are in the middle east, and we had to send them a loud, clear message "THIS CAN HAPPEN TO YOU" Iraq was nothing more than an example to the rest of the world, as i've been stating. The fact that the war was illegal is just icing on the cake, another layer of muscle over the already bulging american bicep. It says "We're so strong we dont have to follow international law" As for making us look weaker, i disagree. Perhaps morally weaker, but it makes us seem more unstable and more dangerous, which on the international stage is not weakness when youre the top dog. The point i was raising is, yes, we ARE morally justified in making other countries fear us. The united states IS NOT RESPECTED, and WILL NOT BE RESPECTED NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, so the next best thing to keep the monkeys in line is fear. We used Iraq to put the fear in them. How many terrorist attacks have occured on american soil since we invaded iraq?

I rest my case


To further that thought (though I don't agree with it in totality) I'd ask about the causation of:

-Libya voluntarily giving up their nuclear program
-Saudi Arabia holding local elections for the first time
-Lebanese rising up and kicking the Syrians out
-Iran's decision to come clean with and then do a 180 and resume their production of nuclear weapons (BTW, anyone who seriously believes that they need nuclear power plants when they sit on the worlds largest oil reserves is an idiot)
-The emir of Qatar moving forward with a parliamentary style government (albeit in a limited fashion)

These are not random events that would have happened anyway. These are caused, directly, by the United States showing up and forcing the creation of democratically elected governments in areas where the people have never had a voice in their governance.

Like the war in Iraq or not but it will, eventually, cause the creation of democratically elected governments in the Middle East. It happened in Europe given enough time (Poland, Hungary and the others needed the models next door to aspire to) and it will happen in the Middle East.

This, is a good thing.
 
2006-02-13 12:57:21 AM
ShotgunLobotomy

Why couldn't we make Afghanistan an example for the rest of the world. And we are not the top dog. This war is bleeding out country dry. Our military is stretched too thin, we've pushed our allies away, and we've pushed the countries that were on the fence over the edge. Why do you think Iran is trying to acquire nuclear weapons? They think they could be next, and they are in some ways justifiably seeking protection.

The point i was raising is, yes, we ARE morally justified in making other countries fear us. The united states IS NOT RESPECTED, and WILL NOT BE RESPECTED NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, so the next best thing to keep the monkeys in line is fear. We used Iraq to put the fear in them. How many terrorist attacks have occured on american soil since we invaded iraq?

We were respected by a large portion of the world before we invaded Iraq. We can't make everyone happy no matter what we do, but that doesn't mean we should go out of our way to piss everyone off. You're statement about terrorism and Iraq makes no sense, since Iraq was one of the lesser state-sponsors of terrorism in the Middle East. Iraq had nothing to do with Al-Qaeda. There have been more terror incidents and more terrorism-related deaths after we invaded Iraq than before.
 
2006-02-13 01:03:46 AM
craig238

I find it very telling that the Bush apologists have to look to other countries to justify the invasion of Iraq because the occupation is going so poorly. It happened in Europe because the Europeans were ready. The Germans had a fairly democratic society before Hitler was elected. They had welfare and worker's comp before the turn of the century. And democracy in Europe did take a long time, but it worked because we embraced the Europeans, and spent our money on things like the Marshal Plan.
 
2006-02-13 01:05:30 AM
I wish there was something we could do about the attractive and successful African-American problem here in Houston, but, we can't.
 
2006-02-13 01:06:42 AM
I wish there was something we could do about the attractive and successful African-American problem here in Houston, but, we can't.
 
2006-02-13 01:07:50 AM
I wish there was something we could do about the NIIIIIIIGGER problem here in Houston, but, we can't.
 
2006-02-13 01:08:19 AM
The united states IS NOT RESPECTED, and WILL NOT BE RESPECTED NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, so the next best thing to keep the monkeys in line is fear.

Wow...the U.S. should rule the planet with tyranny and fear?
 
2006-02-13 01:09:04 AM
FINALLY got the word I was looking for. LOL. ;)
 
2006-02-13 01:09:42 AM
/laughs and points at jeffm1981
 
2006-02-13 01:10:38 AM
krissa



Just let me be the first to say...I miss NOLA! If anyone else here misses it, say so....

It's still there. The good folks who live there have lawyers making sure no trailers or anything of that sort never makes it. So we are stuck with them.

It has been mentioned in this thread by current residents of Nawlins "think god they are gone" type shiat.

Meanwhile, parts of Houston are war zones, I have tenants who are scared, and a house that I probably won't be able to sell for even county appraisal rate.

So do I miss New Orleans? You bet your ass I do. Take them back Nagin, you bastard.

/Head to the St. Louis cemetery and have Marie Laveau put a curse on that bastard.

 
2006-02-13 01:11:44 AM
A few people had alluded to the families of 9/11 victims getting much more back from the government than the $2000 that the Katrina victims received. One went so far as to tell a family member of a victim to send some of his million down to NOLA. I found that very presumptuous and ridiculous, and thus, my rather confusing attempt to present the irrationality of comparing the two events.<<

I see. But really,, what are they thinking? The gubment?If a 9/11 victim got a million bucks and sent some down to NOLA then I would like to know. So wouldn't Oprah.
I see your point and raise them a million bucks. No way. It would've been plastered all over the news. The simple fact is that "trade center" = insured, NOLA=uninsured. Plain and simple. I think you'll agree that a 9/11 victim with enough cash to put a child in school and pay the rent shouldn't have to spent the last couple of cents left over on a refugee. Not just a refugee either. More like a relocated criminal. Unlike most in this forum I'd bet we'd agree to agree. :)
 
2006-02-13 01:15:41 AM
jeffm1981

We're not laughing WITH you, we're laughing AT you.

By the way, your profile says you're from Lincoln NE., not Houston.
 
2006-02-13 01:17:05 AM
You ALL are racist.

Please do NOT come to Hawaii.

YOU are the problem.

yes, the problem must be everyone else in the world except you.<<<

No one from here that I know wants to live there. We just visit. If it wasn't for the pro-bowl you'd be forgotten. What where you saying?
 
2006-02-13 01:17:39 AM
jeffm1981

Buddha, is that you? I thought I smelled nirvana juice nearby.

/double filter-pwned!!1111111
//LAWL
 
2006-02-13 01:18:14 AM
Fark It
You're statement about terrorism and Iraq makes no sense, since Iraq was one of the lesser state-sponsors of terrorism in the Middle East. Iraq had nothing to do with Al-Qaeda.

After the demonstration of our might in iraq and afghanistan, most 3rd world regimes are thinking twice about being an official state sponsor of terrorism. Yes i know, palestine notwithstanding.

Also congratulations craig328 for using that thing in between your ears, a task that seems to be beyond many on fark.
 
2006-02-13 01:24:04 AM
Stupid question, but did anyone from Mississippi get evacuated? I'm pretty sure they got creamed by Katrina too, but I can't be positive. I think I read a story or two or saw a 20 second blurb on CNN about Biloxi, but I could be thinking of the Matthew Modine movie.
 
2006-02-13 01:24:07 AM
Somewhere, somehow,
Somebody must have kicked you around some.
Who knows? Maybe you were kidnapped,
Tied up, taken away, and held for ransom.

It don't really matter to me, baby,
Everybody's had to fight to be free,
You see you don't have to live like a refugee.
 
2006-02-13 01:26:37 AM
"housing these parasites"
"it didnt matter who we crushed, so long as we crushed someone"
"We're so strong we dont have to follow international law"
"so the next best thing to keep the monkeys in line is fear"

Hint: When your argument no longer sounds any different than General Ripper or Grand Moff Tarkin, you might want to start re-thinking your position.

"See, and i was just talking about how left wingers take what we say and reduce it to it's simplest terms"

It's calling a spade a spade. The truth hurts, don't it?

\they're after his precious bodily fluids
 
2006-02-13 01:28:06 AM
Maybe the fact that they lose their free ride tommorow will make it obvious that they need to GET A FARKING JOB.
 
2006-02-13 01:29:05 AM
rockforever: Wiseasses? he or she was being polite. I live in San Antonio and we have a pretty large pop of them too. Please leave this town. As nicely as i can say it. Im not racist, im just discriminitory and being honest.

Wha? I'm in SA also and I haven't noticed any major negative change. Serioously, what have you experienced?
 
2006-02-13 01:30:13 AM
sprlpgcn: It's calling a spade a spade. The truth hurts, don't it?

Yeah, but when some people call a spade a spade, you call them racists. Does not compute.
 
2006-02-13 01:30:38 AM
craig328 somehow forgets to mention:
- The Lebanese rise up - and vote in Hezbollah.
- The Palestinians embrace democracy - and vote in Hamas.
- Egypt makes moves towards multiparty elections - only to start closing polling stations when it looks like the Muslim Brotherhood is going to win.
- The two remaining members of the Axis of Evil learning their lesson - and increasing work towards building their own bomb.
 
2006-02-13 01:31:24 AM
haha how in the hell did this spin into the iraq war thread?

oh, and 357 did a nice job of trolling. brilliant!
 
2006-02-13 01:31:29 AM
Wow...quite a cathartic thread, no?

I thought TX was one of those states where you can easily justify shooting someone. Don't mess with Texas and all that. Can't you just cap 'em and sprinkle some crack on 'em? Or put some unregistered gun you bought at the flea market in his hand?

I thought Texas was the Chuck Norris state. Roundhouse/shoot first and make an excuse later.

/Send 'em to Old Mexico!
//Drunk on a Sunday night.
///Let the slashies sort them out!
///The stars at night are big and bright....
 
2006-02-13 01:33:09 AM
Oh yeah, whomever owns 357 needs to know their personal ball washer has broken out of his cage.
 
2006-02-13 01:33:38 AM
Yeah, but when some people call a spade a spade, you call them racists.

No, you're calling an assortment of spades, shovels, lawn blowers, and pink flamingos spades. But if its easier for you to see the world in such simple patterns, that's not my problem.
 
2006-02-13 01:37:32 AM
as long as everyone else is going to talk about it, i may as well chip in a little somethin...

has anyone ever thought that maybe democracy isnt always the best idea? i think that all of these "freedom and democracy worldwide" honks forget that you can elect xenophobic hate mongers and terrorists to be your honestly and freely elected democratic leaders.
 
2006-02-13 01:41:00 AM
TommyymmoT I went college in Lincoln, NE. I now line in Houston. Just because my profile says Lincoln it doesn't mean I'm not living in Houston. lol dumbass.
 
2006-02-13 01:43:49 AM
TommyymmoT laugh at me I really don't mind later niiiggy.
 
2006-02-13 01:44:01 AM
Espertron

Sorry dude, it's not a city if you need a car, no matter how much cool stuff you have.
 
2006-02-13 01:47:53 AM
jeffm1981

Ever thought of changing it Goddard?
It says "location", not "why I'm so ignorant".

It kind of negates all your witty, intelligent comments.
 
2006-02-13 01:51:58 AM
jeffm1981
"I now line in Houston."

So you are now a line dancer in Texas. That adds credibility.
 
2006-02-13 01:54:01 AM
sprlpgcn

craig328 somehow forgets to mention:
- The Lebanese rise up - and vote in Hezbollah.
- The Palestinians embrace democracy - and vote in Hamas.


Actually, that might not be a bad thing overall. Now that they are 'respectable', they might calm down a little.

They are the 'government'. They have to do government things, like keeping the buses running and the lights on...takes time and effort away from yelling and shooting things.
 
2006-02-13 01:55:29 AM
ypsifly

I thought TX was one of those states where you can easily justify shooting someone

It is, someone comes creeping around they get shot.

The schools are farked, whole neighborhoods are farked. Not saying it was paradise, but this Nawlins trash WoW.

When you see a cat 4 storm coming, get the fark out!! don't stick around and loot shiat then cry for help.

Treat the people who took you in with respect.
 
2006-02-13 01:58:25 AM
Nothing scares a racist like 357 more than a black person who refuses to conform the the substandard stereotype that racists like him want them to fall into. If a black guy talks proper, gets an education, and works an honest job to support his family, he is suddenly a threat. He therefore must be an uncle tom...
 
2006-02-13 02:00:17 AM
letapecul

has anyone ever thought that maybe democracy isnt always the best idea?

Got anything better?
 
2006-02-13 02:03:56 AM
jeffm1981 1, filter 0
 
2006-02-13 02:07:46 AM
THAT'S THE ANSWER!!! Ship all Katrina evacuees to Iraq and then we can use the Pentagon budget to feed and clothe and maybe bomb them if they try to rob someone. It's like a 51st state anyway.

/I got nothin'
 
2006-02-13 02:09:03 AM
YouPeopleAreCrazy

Got anything better?

nope. i just want people to think a little more about the possible and likely consequences of a true democracy over there. seems like that gets lost in all the rhetoric
 
2006-02-13 02:11:46 AM
The FEMA money is proof positive that handouts don't work.
 
2006-02-13 02:15:07 AM
Main Entry: bigot
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, hypocrite, bigot
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
- bigoted /-g&-t&d/ adjective
- bigotedly adverb
 
2006-02-13 02:16:22 AM
I hear ya varezz.

I wonder what would have happened if Detroit got the bulk of evacuees. Maybe Motown would have cooled their jets. I love Detroit, but I'll bet this scenario would have been totally different had they been brought up to Wayne CO, MI. The folks in the hood around here don't put up with that shiat.

Shoot.
Shovel.
Shut the fark up.

Or just dump 'em in the farking river.

Send 'em up here so they can try to gnaw some meat off of a bone that's been dead a long time. The locals would eat them alive.
 
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