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2006-02-11 11:06:56 AM
If they had laws like that here maybe more kids would be interested in politics.
 
2006-02-11 11:19:22 AM
In Russia, laws pass you!
/got zilch
 
2006-02-11 11:53:31 AM
I'd like to pass a law making any collision between a car and jaywalker automatically the jaywalker's fault, regardless of how fast the car was going, how long the driver had to stop, or how far he had to swerve to hit the guy.
 
2006-02-11 12:11:03 PM
On 7 August last year, Shcherbinsky, 36, was driving with his family to a local beauty spot in his second-hand Toyota Marino. He indicated, then turned left off the main road.

Mr Yevdokimov's car came over the brow of a hill. It swerved to avoid the Toyota but clipped it and hit the tree. The governor's driver and bodyguard also died.

Police told the trial the Mercedes' speed was not less than 149kmph (92mph).


Lovely.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2006-02-11 12:14:49 PM
Related story (from Al-Jazeera -- Americans who click will have an FBI file opened for them at no additional charge).
 
2006-02-11 12:17:33 PM
If you're turning left, it's your responsibility to look out for oncoming traffic, regardless of signal, terrain and speed.
 
2006-02-11 12:25:39 PM
Outraged citizens keying luxury cars all over Moscow would be an amusing form of protest...
 
2006-02-11 12:32:25 PM
TheOther: If you're turning left, it's your responsibility to look out for oncoming traffic, regardless of signal, terrain and speed.

True, but the other car came over a hill. The guy probably didn't have X-ray vision to look through the hill and see some nut about to take it blindly at 100 mph. That he got jail time for it is just insane.

Meet the new boss...the oligarchs who stole the state blind when it collapsed at the expense of everyone else.
 
2006-02-11 12:41:24 PM
swahnhennessy: True, but the other car came over a hill. The guy probably didn't have X-ray vision to look through the hill and see some nut about to take it blindly at 100 mph. That he got jail time for it is just insane.

That's the bit about 'terrain'. I'm not saying the oligarchs aren't dicks or that there aren't some mitigating factors, if you don't know what's on the other side of the hill, you're taking your chances when you turn across a lane of traffic.
 
2006-02-11 01:05:22 PM
All animals are equal
but some animals are more equal than others

/obligitory Orwell
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2006-02-11 01:06:29 PM
if you don't know what's on the other side of the hill, you're taking your chances when you turn across a lane of traffic.

Unlike Russian law, American law does not require drivers to anticipate somebody coming over a hill at 100 MPH. Something similar, but less fatal, happened a year or two ago around here when the cops got too excited over a chance to be in a high speed chase. Over a hill at double the speed limit, oops somebody turning left, *smash*. The guy they hit wasn't charged. Neither were the police, though they should have been prosecuted for reckless driving.
 
2006-02-11 01:07:58 PM
theother

i'd hate to be the one to break this to you, but you know, sometimes you have to turn left.
 
2006-02-11 01:13:58 PM
Gee, this reminds me of the time a police car ran into mine while on official business, and therefore neither they nor my insurance company had to pay for the damage. Imagine that.
 
2006-02-11 01:14:54 PM
TheOther

So how long should Shcherbinsky have waited at that turn? Or, maybe he should have given up and made a U-turn in the intersection to head back home. "Sorry kids, I can't risk that left turn. No vacation for you."
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2006-02-11 01:16:53 PM
Or, maybe he should have given up and made a U-turn in the intersection to head back home.

A U turn is even riskier.
 
2006-02-11 01:20:49 PM
Well, that'll teach HIM to use a motor vehicle.
 
2006-02-11 01:23:26 PM
The facts in this case appear to be simple enough, I hope they change that law and get that guy out of prison.

Heck, even if the facts weren't that simple, the law sucks.

Gee, this reminds me of the time a police car ran into mine while on official business, and therefore neither they nor my insurance company had to pay for the damage. Imagine that.

Yeah, I'd say that sucks. I would suggest litigation, but its pretty open and shut from the sound of things.

I'd recommend getting full instead of just liability, that way you're protected from uninsured motorists as well as police.
 
2006-02-11 01:29:55 PM
He should have had one of his kids get out and walk up to the crest of the hill, and make a special signal if the way was clear of 100-mph oncoming cars.

That's what I do every time I want to turn left.
 
2006-02-11 01:31:01 PM
Headline needs "What could possibly go wrong?"
 
2006-02-11 01:32:12 PM
"Sorry kids, I can't risk that left turn."

Any rational fellow would send the kids to the top of the hill to impede oncoming traffic. Sure, the wait would have been a bit longer, but that way the car isn't at as high a risk.
 
2006-02-11 01:34:51 PM
TheOther:

If you're turning left, it's your responsibility to look out for oncoming traffic, regardless of signal, terrain and speed.


Only if the oncoming is taking reasonable precautions while driving (aka at or around the speed limit etc). If you take a hill doing 100 mph anything you hit is your own fault.

/works in insurance
 
2006-02-11 01:34:55 PM
"luxury cars all over Moscow"??? BWAhahahahahaha!


Only the gomt has luxury cars in Moscow and believe me, they have more than blue lights when it comes to keyjobs...


/American politicians use tax money to helicopter above us.
 
2006-02-11 01:38:41 PM
Power in the hands of powermongers.

/would like to eliminate individuals from government - run things by actual democracy instead (for a change)
 
2006-02-11 01:38:57 PM
"Any rational fellow would send the kids... "


/LOL - Yer killin me with humor!
 
2006-02-11 01:56:44 PM
From the linked Al Jazeera article.

He indicated, then turned left off the main road. Yevdokimov's car, travelling in the same direction, came over the brow of a hill. It swerved to avoid the Toyota but clipped it and hit the tree.
 
2006-02-11 02:06:30 PM
Lawmakers have given themselves too much power. In Philadelphia, City Council can have red police lights on their vehicles. The Governor was clocked going excessive speeds in an official vehicle driven by a State Trooper. What is the emergency that required this? Being late for a fundraiser shouldn't qualify.
 
2006-02-11 02:25:11 PM
From ZAZ's related story:

The court ruled that Shcherbinsky should have seen the Mercedes behind him and let it pass as it had a "migalka."

Why in the hell would someone writing an article in english not translate that into "strobe" or even "blinker" or something along those lines.

It would be like someone writing:
Ivan had a "kycok" of "hleba" for breakfast. WHY?!

/confused and angry.
 
2006-02-11 02:29:11 PM
Ok, bloody hell, now I'm puzzling over this.

Some movie or tv show, the protagonist couldn't make left turns. He just couldn't do it. For the life of me, I can't remember what this bit was from.

Anyone have any idea?
 
2006-02-11 02:45:27 PM
zoolander.
 
2006-02-11 02:46:08 PM
CreepyNeighborGuy:

Americans who say "bloody hell" are freaking tools. That is all.
 
2006-02-11 02:50:04 PM
CreepyNeighborGuy: Ok, bloody hell, now I'm puzzling over this.

Some movie or tv show, the protagonist couldn't make left turns. He just couldn't do it. For the life of me, I can't remember what this bit was from.

Anyone have any idea?

The Dale Earnhardt Sr. Story.
 
2006-02-11 03:01:29 PM
For all you people snarking about the left-turn thing, the correct answer is: you go to the top of the hill to make a safe u-turn instead of a blind turn. Jeez.
 
2006-02-11 03:11:34 PM
Hey at least he wasn't sent to Siberia, or Detroit. =P
 
2006-02-11 03:21:52 PM
Russia is looking more and more like a country the U.S. won't be staying friendly with all the time. Oh well.
 
2006-02-11 03:36:21 PM
CreepyNeighborGuy: Ok, bloody hell, now I'm puzzling over this.

Some movie or tv show, the protagonist couldn't make left turns. He just couldn't do it. For the life of me, I can't remember what this bit was from.

Anyone have any idea?



Dirk Gently?
 
2006-02-11 03:50:12 PM
2006-02-11 03:01:29 PM TheOther [TotalFark]

For all you people snarking about the left-turn thing, the correct answer is: you go to the top of the hill to make a safe u-turn instead of a blind turn. Jeez.

No, the real correct answer is the state either doesn't put the road there or puts a sign up saying "no left turn here". Or is a driver supposed to "just know" when making left turns is unsafe just by analyzing every road pattern?
 
2006-02-11 04:03:33 PM
The obvious question that everyone is missing is, "Why does this nobody from Russia think he has the right to drive to 'beauty spots' while he impeds important government business."
 
2006-02-11 04:19:42 PM
sovereign immunity on crack
 
2006-02-11 04:33:29 PM
krovvy: Americans who say "bloody hell" are freaking tools. That is all.


Brits who say it are as well. Also: Chips, Pub, Mum, Duce, Blimy, Wicket, among others.

/Born in Oxfordshire. Raised American. Laughs at everyone.
 
2006-02-11 04:52:11 PM
ImJustaTroll


Raised American. Laughs at everyone.

Typical..

/I kid, because I love
 
2006-02-11 04:56:39 PM
Russians take to streets to protest law making ordinary people automatically at fault when hit by cars carrying government officials

also..I figure that to ensure that no one protests anymore they need to get a fleet of cars carrying officials to make a "unscheduled visit" to them.

/not that I advocate that
//just sayin'
///On a roll!
////closet protester
 
2006-02-11 05:13:57 PM
TheOther: If you're turning left, it's your responsibility to look out for oncoming traffic, regardless of signal, terrain and speed.

Over a blind hill, when the oncoming driver was driving recklessly? You're driving 92 on a city street, over a blind hill, the guy signalled and presumably looked, and you hit him. Sucks to be you. You don't drive that fast on city streets -- that's just being reckless. If that guy hadn't killed everyone in the car I'd be calling for him to pay the guy's medical bills since presumably there were injuries involved at that speed.

It would have been nice if the article had included a photo of the intersection. Blind intersections should be marked "No left turn" or "No left turn while the light is red". In absence of any further info, I'm guessing that the left turn was legal. And there's no way that 92mph is not reckless driving.

Devin172: Only if the oncoming is taking reasonable precautions while driving (aka at or around the speed limit etc). If you take a hill doing 100 mph anything you hit is your own fault.

/works in insurance


Precisely. Thank you. There are limitations to "you're automatically at fault if you turn left in front of traffic". If other drives are driving recklessly it's their fault and they are expected to pay your injuries and to repair your car or replace it. Their own car? Well, they shouldn't have been farktards now should they?
 
2006-02-11 05:40:43 PM
read the Al-Jazeera article. As has already been pointed out, the Official was going in the same direction. The left turn had nothing to do with the problem. He was hit from behind because he slowed down to make the turn, the official came over the hill, swerved to avoid him but clipped his car and hit the tree.

So there's ABSOLUTELY no way he coudl've seen the official coming
 
2006-02-11 06:05:40 PM
In Moscow they used to broadcast a peeping sound from a building on Arbatskaya Square which let you know to get your prole ass off of Arabat. Then Uncle Joe and the boys would tool on by in their Chaikas.

Czars and cars... some things never change
 
2006-02-11 06:11:46 PM
DrakeKyrros: He was hit from behind because he slowed down to make the turn, the official came over the hill, swerved to avoid him but clipped his car and hit the tree.

Still doesn't matter. The guy signalled. 90+ MPH on a city street is still reckless. I am not responsible for the actions of idiots behind me especially considering that I don't have X-ray vision. It is your responsibility to watch what traffic ahead of you is doing.

I have no sympathy for this driver as he earned his own death by stupidity. I am regretful that he took his passengers with him.
 
2006-02-11 06:47:27 PM
Buran: Still doesn't matter. The guy signalled. 90+ MPH on a city street is still reckless. I am not responsible for the actions of idiots behind me especially considering that I don't have X-ray vision. It is your responsibility to watch what traffic ahead of you is doing.

I have no sympathy for this driver as he earned his own death by stupidity. I am regretful that he took his passengers with him.

----------------
Um, dude... he was agreeing with you. Calm down :)


And yes, this is absolutely asinine. Sovereign immunity is quite common, even if it's not fair. However, to take it further and say that the oter person is at fault is just plain ridiculous.
 
2006-02-11 06:52:10 PM
CreepyNeighborGuy: Some movie or tv show, the protagonist couldn't make left turns. He just couldn't do it. For the life of me, I can't remember what this bit was from.

Anyone have any idea?


No idea of the show or movie, but Anthony's (from O&A) ex mother in law wouldn't do it.... "Three rights make a left"
 
2006-02-11 07:58:38 PM
Good 'ol Mother Russia! - Cracked-Out-Incestuous-Street-Walker Mother -
 
2006-02-11 08:32:31 PM
About that time for another revolution, eh comrades?

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2006-02-11 08:39:57 PM
"Out of my way, I'm a motorist!"

www.electronicfreedom.org
 
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