The chimps or the humans?

"Scientists are getting closer to cracking the case on early man and when he started using tools as part of a society."

Well that's easy, what's the mystery? Some dude named 'Adam' and his blasphemous ho started the whole thing. If you don't believe me, just ask God. Or, any religious leader. They apparently speak to God all the time. I've never spoken to God, apparently you're nuts if you claim that.

So, we evolved, but they stayed the same? This makes since in what world?

HAHA, Sense

I can use an occiloscope and I still throw my dung.

When I worked for the state mental health services, people threw their poop at each other all of the time. I am not kidding. High turnover there, I must say.

So, we evolved, but they stayed the same

No, they evolved too. Apparently tool use in chimps isn't that much of an advantage in getting chicks.

seemingly haven't evolved much since then because they still poop in their hands and throw it at people

ever been to a GG Allin show? maybe we haven't evolved so much either.

So, we evolved, but they stayed the same?

Popcorn. Check.
Soda. Check.
Look of amusement for the oncoming flame war. Check.

So, we evolved, but they stayed the same?

It makes sense, because I'm sure that only the gay chimps were smart enough to use tools.

SLAYER - I used to love Lancelot Link. I wish that Nick at Night or someone would rerun that show.

GrandHighTook Time to do your thing...

... they still poop in their hands and throw it at people

Wow... the very beginning of Democratic Political Stategists!

Facts people. We need facts!

Primates smart; throwing poop at humans.
I would too, if jail police liked poop-throwers.

"So, we evolved, but they stayed the same?"

No. When "we" or our early ancestors "evolved", chimps weren't even around.

Obviously, there's nothing left of our ancestors because they evolved into us. But they were quite "chimp-like" and chimpanzees are a close relative, analagous to a cousin on the evolutionary tree, who have evolved along similar lines from a more primitive offshoot of the simian genus.

well damn, what's worse? throwing poop or throwing missles? the more things change, the more they same the same - or something.

i'm not sure the effect this has on evolutionary biology.
Evolution is not about 'getting smarter'. Traits that are useful to an organism make it easier to get mates. THese traits are passed on.
Evolution always happens. the rate can slow if an optimal design is achieved -- roaches are an example. Just because chimps didn't develop speech and higher tool use doesn't mean they quit evolving. It just means that tool use doesn't give chimps and advantage.

its friday. its memorial day weekend. its time to drink.

Korzeniowski

I might listen to your ass talk when another species can verbally speak a comprehendable language.

Korzeniowski
Obviously you have met my cousins!

i mean theory - in re.Bevets comments

i agree RaoulDuke, animals in general are so unevolved. they haven't even figured out how to kill each other off and most of the rest of the life on the planet at the same time, all in the name of the benevolent wizard who lives beyond the clouds and favors one group of the species over another to the point that he would have them destroy his own creation in order to purge it of the infidels/gentiles/pagans.

"I might listen to your ass talk when another species can verbally speak a comprehendable [sic] language."

They can. Bonobo chimps, mainland gorillas and other great apes have all been taught to use sign language, and they communicate extremely well. All great apes have a highly developed speech centre in their brains, just like us.

Have a cookie.

I might listen to your ass talk when another species can verbally speak a comprehendable language.

If your speaking is anything like your writing, be sure to call us when you reach that point. Or just grunt.

There are animals that verbalize. Because you cannot comprehend what their sounds mean does not mean they cannot.

Korzeniowski
Once agin on the money. My cousins communicate very well with each other. "Git me nothar beer woman or I'll kick yar ass"

That's exactly what I'm on about, DrDave! I come from a long line of monkey people.

diagram of a Texaggie79_2 post.

1.disrspectfully mouth off to other farkers, spewing the most negative, cyncial, and ignorant points to be made in an argument.

2. have ass handed to him by more thoughtful, intelligent, polite farkers.

3. scratch head in bewilderment at the meaning of ass handing post.

4. re-emerge in next thread. rinse. repeat.

That's my point Rhiannon. If there was a speaking dialogue, we would be able to interpret. No other creature possess the intelligence to do such. Why. Are we the only species that saw fit to evolve intelligence?

muahahahahaha

If I may, I would just like to point out that this started as a poop post before it was jacked.

Of course we've evolved, we now incorporate poop directly into our sex acts. Would you care for some $hit Dressing on your pancakes?

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

There are patterns, no more - human speech is nothing more than patterns

If there was a speaking dialogue, we would be able to interpret - we can interpret communication between other animals. communication is relating ideas, not necessarily "speaking".

if we speak to a dog and it obeys, or a dog barks to tell us it is hungry then we are communicating. just because a dog can't form human words (do to its physiological make-up) doesn't mean it cannot communicate with us, or with other dogs.

Yeah, big deal. I can drive a car and operate a computer (plus many other advanced human tools), and I still poop in my hand and throw it.

Poop-throwing isn't about being unevolved. It's about having fun.

Besides which, parrots have been able to speak human language for ages. Not as well as we do, of course, but pretty darn impressive for a critter with a much smaller brain.

I've read the studies on "Alex", a gray parrot who can do things like tell you how many of an object you're holding up, what color they are, and what they're made of, in response to questions.

Intelligence is only a matter of degree. Like everything else, really. There isn't a magic "smart/not-smart" boundary that divides intelligent creatures from unintelligent ones.

Apparently, neither have some humans.

Good, it works now

crappy web host :/

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Let's face it people . . we're freaks.

Thanks for justifying all of our "Stupid Aggie" jokes, Tex.

Moron.

Can you understand Hungarian? No. But Hungarians can understand each other. BUT, because YOU don't understand them, you must be more intelligent then they are, right?

Barks, squeeks, grunts, and moos are not much different. The animals can understand each other (within their own specie). Just because we can't understand them doesn't mean they're not intelligent.

Dolphins swim around, fark each other for pleasure, and live a generally good life, save for the occasional tuna boat. And they don't fight wars, sue each other, or crash planes into buildings. So, who're the intelligent ones?

"Are we the only species that saw fit to evolve intelligence?"

Let's see, we are slow, hairless, lack fangs or decent claws. It was either intelligence and extinction.

"I might listen to your ass talk when another species can verbally speak a comprehendable language."

How do you know animals aren't saying the same thing about us? Your very amusing today Texaggie79_2. How did you get the "2" anyway.

sigh... where to start with y'all?

Work backwards?

Yes, the African Grey named Alex is famous... not only can he do basic math better than most Alabama High School Seniors, he also can choose to lie to you, just because he finds your reaction enjoyable... like a New York attorney.

Many animals "talk" and wrap complex ideas into single sounds... dolphins, whales, elephants, monkeys, apes, etc... all have language amongst themselves and can communicate many ideas cross species with out problem... the Musk Ox says "get the fark out of here"... the Lion says "make me." In fact, as a recent study reported... domestic cats have evolved whole new speach capabilities, from the mental ability to make and use them to the physical throught and mouth abilty to make them, in order to commincate with us humans... that is, over 4-9,000 years of domestication house cats have evolved the ability to make new sounds for new reasons that their wild cousins do not share.

The other major thing to realize is that WE communicate primarily with vocalizations... most other animals communicate with pheremones... some use body language, etc. Just because we are deaf and dumb doesnt mean that no one is talking. Ever watch a dog and a human on a walk? The human is in their own little world, looking in the trees, looking at people's yards, RELAXING... they dont perk up to/for communication till they HEAR something... like "Hello!" Meanwhile, their dog is an orgy of communication the whole walk, sniffing the grass, trees, shrubs and pissing as they go... the dog is finding out who lives here, how their health is, how thei sex life is going, who's available, who's a bully, etc... all things that humans also do, out loud, probably right above the dogs they are walking....

Usually, Nature gives and Natures takes away... and things are roughly equal... likely it is precisely our having turned to verbal and written communication, and the increase demand for cranial space to process such, that has cost us our ability to communicate non-verbally. We might find this to be an advantage in our human dominated environments.

However, when we go camping and get snuck up on by a Mountain Lion and eaten... we might have appreciated the verbal, pheremone, and body language cues that we missed... the scent markings on trees from animals nervous because of Lion presence, the squaking (or silence)birds, the physical agitation of rodents etc.

So, we find verbal communication to be an adaptive improvement for us, in our man-made environs... but animals do not find such to be an advantage in their wild environments. So, why wonder that we are the only ones to have sacraficed brain and mouth functions to develop speach?

Meanwhile, intelligence... lots of animals are "canny", which is a form of intellignece, and this directly contributes to their survival and procreation. But they dont find that complex algebra and philosophy help them bring down dear or avoid birds of prey. Why consider our form of intellegence to be "superior" and then wonder why everyone hasnt evolved it? That is not the way these things work.

Some creatures find developing poison helps them, others camflage, others the ability to build nests, mounds, etc., others find tools, sticks, bones, stones, help. This is not a matter of DEGREE of evolution so much as KIND.

Anyway.....

Trying to make rational people think that creationism is a viable counter to evolution (or trying to get a creationist to accept evolutionary theory) is like wrestling with a pig. You just get tired, and the pig enjoys it.

Oink Oink, Bevets