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2006-02-09 05:18:54 PM
Daraymann: You can claim to know white ni**ers or say that Gandhi would make a good owner of gas stations or even make a distinction between African-Americans and Ordinary-Americans and get a pass thanks to the magic (D) next to your name.

Could you make up your mind between being horrifically offended by the N-Bomb or swinging it around with wild abandon? If your mood swings get any wilder and they're going to get a ride based on them at Great Adventure.
 
2006-02-09 05:21:10 PM
That in politics it doesn't matter what you say or who you are, all that matters is the (D) or the (R) next to your name.

I think the policies you support would also probably factor into the equation.

But say something nice to an old man on his birthday...

...about how you wished he would have become President running as a strict segregationist...

huh?!
 
2006-02-09 05:21:15 PM
dbaggins: apparently there exist racist Democrats.

No way!


thewah: Yea, those are called "Republicans" nowadays.

So you come to that conclusion by the Presidential vote? Why don't you dig just a little deeper and tell us what you come up with.
 
2006-02-09 05:24:23 PM
jimmyhaha: No, I was just bringing up the landmark essay "The White Negro" by James Baldwin. It's a piece of literature, which comes in books now. You should check that out.

I think I'll pass. I really don't care to read any works from a "noted racist".
 
2006-02-09 05:25:47 PM
He should have left it in there, or at least change it to "camel jockey".
 
2006-02-09 05:30:02 PM
Daraymann: I think I'll pass. I really don't care to read any works from a "noted racist".

i suggest 'go tell it on the mountain'. one hell of a literary work.

if it hasn't sank in yet, 'noted racist' was sarcasm.
 
2006-02-09 05:30:43 PM
D_in_A,

I'll take that as a SingTFU.

HAND.
 
2006-02-09 05:31:40 PM
"I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years, either." - Trant Lott

OMFG, the racist bastard!!!!!

Don't see anything about segregationists. Don't see the "N-Word". Don't see anything about what problems he was referring to. But wait, there's that (R).
 
2006-02-09 05:33:24 PM
Finally, an article on Fark about my home state!

Oh, it's about how racist and corrupt one of our senators is.

Dammit....
 
2006-02-09 05:36:59 PM
heap: if it hasn't sank in yet, 'noted racist' was sarcasm.

His words, not mine, but it seems like that's...OK.
 
2006-02-09 05:38:03 PM
Captain Fashion: Finally, an article on Fark about my home state!

Oh, it's about how racist and corrupt one of our senators is.

Dammit....


It's okay...to add insult to injury, Conrad's originally from Missouri.
 
2006-02-09 05:38:10 PM
2006-02-09 05:24:23 PM Daraymann [TotalFark]
jimmyhaha: No, I was just bringing up the landmark
> essay "The White Negro" by James Baldwin. It's a piece of
> literature, which comes in books now. You should check
> that out.

I think I'll pass. I really don't care to read any works from a "noted racist".


The "noted racist" in question:
www.liu.edu
 
2006-02-09 05:38:10 PM
Daraymann: I think I'll pass. I really don't care to read any works from a "noted racist".

That may be closer to the truth for you. Learn to interpret sarcasm, then learn to read. Then your opinions will be worth listening to.
 
2006-02-09 05:39:53 PM
well, my own experience is similar to that expressed here by others. My Republican acquaintances are mistrustful and fearful or foreigners, as well as minorities.

My suspiciion is that most Republican policitians are not racist in the same way. They don't fear foreigners, or minorities really. by definition, a policitians power flows from the majority. What they don't like is anything that empowers minorities. They are explicit and consistent on that topic. This appeals to many voters, not because they think like the politician, but because it satisfies their *own* racist desires.

Democrat politicians also work the politics of race, but it is not the one based on fear and mistrust, but on guilt. The affluent majority that has collective guilt about the poor status of the minorities.

minorities of poor status can see this and are obviously going to choose the politics of guilt over fear and mistrust, in their own self-interest. Hence, only 2% of blacks vote Republican.


after 9/11, fear and mistrust have been the dominant emotions, and Republicans got to rule the roost.

after Katrina, we have gotten a renewed taste of guilt.


ultimately, I choose the politics of guilt. From guilt comes awareness and redemption and hope. The politics of fear blocks your awareness, your understanding. Fear disables your ability to think rationally and plan for the future. Fear sacrafices the future for concerns only in the present.

Fear leads to domestic spying
Fear leads to torture
Fear makes leadership that values loyalty above all else
 
2006-02-09 05:40:49 PM
thewah: I'll take that as a SingTFU.


Are you trying to say that you don't have a clue what you're talking about?
 
2006-02-09 05:42:12 PM
"...and his voting record on Native American issues."

Casinos?
 
2006-02-09 05:43:23 PM
If anyone would like some education beyond randomly silly photos, here is a really good book about racial partisan politics in the last half of the 20th Century (probably the definitive study of it):

The Rise of Southern Republicans
 
2006-02-09 05:43:33 PM
Daraymann,
To know why Trent Lott is a racist to say that, you should know what Strom Thurmond's platform was. Of course, you obviously have not heard of James Baldwin either, so I am not surprised you don't know that Strom Thurmond's campaign was based pretty much solely on preserving segregation.
 
2006-02-09 05:57:34 PM
dbaggins: apparently there exist racist Democrats. therefore it is inappropriate to point out the abundance of racist Republicans.

Does that pretty much sum up the Republican position on the topic ?


I think the point is that of the 40 or so Dixiecrat Senators who were overwhelmingly adamantly racist, roughly half retired quickly, half stayed Democratic, and _2_ went Republican. The Republican Party, unlike the Democratic Party, has _never_ advocated racist legislation, and has scant history of racist members in high office. Are there racists in the Republican Party? Sure. But only the Democrats have ever based their party platform on racism.
 
2006-02-09 05:58:27 PM
Conrad Burns is a retard. I heard him bragging in an interview once about how he hadn't been to college. This makes him popular with all the other retards in Montana.

/not bashing Montana
//I (heart) Montana
 
2006-02-09 06:08:10 PM
jimmyhaha: Learn to interpret sarcasm, then learn to read. Then your opinions will be worth listening to.

You're the one who called him a racist. End of story. Thanks for playing.

I think you owe the entire African-American culture an apology.
 
2006-02-09 06:10:30 PM
cryinoutloud: Conrad Burns is a retard. I heard him bragging in an interview once about how he hadn't been to college. This makes him popular with all the other retards in Montana.

No offence taken. I just hope all the non-retards will vote him the hell out of office this year.
 
2006-02-09 06:24:24 PM
If your knowledge of racial politics is limited to issuing the phrase "Dixiecrat Senators", then I'm going to guess you are not looking to learn anything.
 
2006-02-09 06:27:49 PM
whats wrong with the term ragheads anyways? are there any arabs here to tell me?
 
2006-02-09 06:29:00 PM
Daraymann: You're the one who called him a racist. End of story. Thanks for playing.

I think you owe the entire African-American culture an apology.


Look, man, pick a character. Either be an "N-Bomb" dropping white boy who doesn't care who he offends, or be a person who is offended at racial epithets. You've outed yourself as an illiterate and an idiot here, and you'd probably save the most face by slinking out of the thread slowly. Your "Fear and Self Loathing on the Internet" lifestyle is shining through a little too brightly today.
 
2006-02-09 06:29:39 PM
Are you trying to say that you don't have a clue what you're talking about?

I think it's been demostrated rather plainly who is lacking cluefulness in this conversation.
 
2006-02-09 06:32:51 PM
dbaggins: If your knowledge of racial politics is limited to issuing the phrase "Dixiecrat Senators", then I'm going to guess you are not looking to learn anything.

I have to say that wasn't much of a rebuttal.
 
2006-02-09 06:41:14 PM
Sloth_DC: I think the point is that of the 40 or so Dixiecrat Senators who were overwhelmingly adamantly racist, roughly half retired quickly, half stayed Democratic, and _2_ went Republican. The Republican Party, unlike the Democratic Party, has _never_ advocated racist legislation, and has scant history of racist members in high office. Are there racists in the Republican Party? Sure. But only the Democrats have ever based their party platform on racism.

The Southern Democrats became Republicans in the late 1960s and 1970s, largely on the heels of public anger over the civil rights movement. Inspired by the George Wallace's surprisingly successful primary run and subsequent run for the Presidency as an independent, the Republican Party was quick to realize the potential in disaffected southern voters. The history of the anti-bussing movement is a good primer on how the Republican party seized the wrong side of the racial issue to garner southern votes. Many of today's Republican leaders began in that movement.

We also shouldn't forget that Barry Goldwater, seen by many as the father of the modern Republican party, launched his candidacy on his opposition to the civil rights act of 1964.
 
2006-02-09 06:42:09 PM
jimmyhaha: Either be an "N-Bomb" dropping white boy who doesn't care who he offends, or be a person who is offended at racial epithets.

I'm not the one you offended. If you think it's OK to call James Baldwin a noted racist, more power to you.

Other then that, you're just babbling, try de-caf.

(*N-bomb dropping white boy?*)
 
2006-02-09 06:49:44 PM
Conrad Burns is a tool.

/didn't vote for him.

//then left the state.
 
2006-02-09 06:49:51 PM
jimmyhaha: Roughly 4% of the Southern Democrats became Republicans in the late 1960s and 1970s

Hey, I fixed that for you. Most of them either retired or _stayed Democratic_.

We also shouldn't forget that Barry Goldwater, seen by many as the father of the modern Republican party, launched his candidacy on his opposition to the civil rights act of 1964.

Oooh, bad move. Are you saying Goldwater was racist? The man who desegregated Arizona, had a black aide in Congress, publicly and loudly supported the AZ NAACP, and supported every civil rights act that even pretended to stay within the bounds of the authority of the federal government? Is that really what you're saying? I have to say that statement betrays a considerable shallowness in your understanding of 20th century politics.
 
2006-02-09 06:53:33 PM
Daraymann

I'm not the one you offended. If you think it's OK to call James Baldwin a noted racist, more power to you.

If you're not the one I offended, and no one else is complaining, I think it's safe to say that they understand sarcasm and you missed the point.
 
2006-02-09 06:56:14 PM
Sloth_DC: Oooh, bad move. Are you saying Goldwater was racist? The man who desegregated Arizona, had a black aide in Congress, publicly and loudly supported the AZ NAACP, and supported every civil rights act that even pretended to stay within the bounds of the authority of the federal government?

The Civil Rights Act of '64 both pretended and did stay within the bounds of the authority of the Federal government. That's why it's still law today. It's been tested in case after case. Goldwater's line on the act was that "You can't legislate morality", which is ironic considering the basis of his desciple's campaigns.
 
2006-02-09 06:58:31 PM
jimmyhaha: The Civil Rights Act of '64 both pretended and did stay within the bounds of the authority of the Federal government.

CRA '64 isn't even remotely Constitutional.

Goldwater's line on the act was that "You can't legislate morality", which is ironic considering the basis of his desciple's campaigns.

And he's essentially right. He opposed Jim Crowe because it was wrong for the govt to legislatively mandate racism, and he opposed CRA '64 for almost exactly the same reason. He's right in both cases. And he most certainly was _not_ himself racist, as you initially stated.
 
2006-02-09 07:00:23 PM
this Political Correctness is getting out of hand. Those caring people feel "raghead" is insulting, and demand the term be upgraded to "towelhead".

In Designer Colors, of course. Something with the SNAP of Bill Blass blazer.
 
2006-02-09 07:01:10 PM
thewah: I think it's been demostrated rather plainly who is lacking cluefulness in this conversation.


The guy that bases his entire knowlege of the demographics (and racial attitude) of a county in Texas by a single natioanl election?
 
2006-02-09 07:03:12 PM
jimmyhaha: If you're not the one I offended, and no one else is complaining, I think it's safe to say that they understand sarcasm and you missed the point.

That or they don't know who James Baldwin is and just assumed you were right without, you know, checking into reality.

(*Farkers tend to do that, but not TFer's*)
 
2006-02-09 07:04:46 PM
Sloth_DC: CRA '64 isn't even remotely Constitutional.

The Supreme Court has repeatedly disagreed with you on that opinion.

And he most certainly was _not_ himself racist, as you initially stated.

I never said that he was racist. Just that the Republican party wasn't above exploiting the racial hatred of angry southerners. In a time where the nation was at war in Vietnam, the cold war was in full swing, and the country was beset by hundreds of more pressing issues, they went full bore with this pitch because they knew it would win them southern voters. Why? Because southern voters were angry about integration and would vote for the candidate who seemed to represent that. The Republican party isn't racist, but they don't mind exploiting racism to get what they want. Hence the anti-bussing movement, etc.
 
2006-02-09 07:05:53 PM
Daraymann: That or they don't know who James Baldwin is and just assumed you were right without, you know, checking into reality.

Seeing as they brought up "Go Tell it on the Mountain" and told you to get a clue, I'm going to guess they actually understood sarcasm.
 
2006-02-09 07:06:01 PM
Methinks that without Diebold, the Republicans would have a very bad time in the next elections.

They're all coming out as rats, liars, racists, and con-artists. It seems like there are more Republicans being investigated or indicted than there are candidates!
 
2006-02-09 07:09:07 PM
"connie, your doing one heck of a job"
*Pres Bush now unavailable for comment
 
2006-02-09 07:10:15 PM
jimmyhaha: The Supreme Court has repeatedly disagreed with you on that opinion.

I'm ok with that. I also disagree with them that Prohibition of recreational drugs like marijuana is Constitutional, even though Prohibition of recreational drugs like alcohol was not.

I never said that [Goldwater] was racist.

We also shouldn't forget that Barry Goldwater, seen by many as the father of the modern Republican party, launched his candidacy on his opposition to the civil rights act of 1964.


Mind you, this was in support of your contention that the racist Dems went Republican.

Just that the Republican party wasn't above exploiting the racial hatred of angry southerners. In a time where the nation was at war in Vietnam, the cold war was in full swing, and the country was beset by hundreds of more pressing issues, they went full bore with this pitch because they knew it would win them southern voters.

Note my comments previous about Goldwaters black aide and his loud and constant support for the AZ NAACP and desegregation of AZ. Doesn't exactly sound like he was pandering for racist votes.

The Republican party isn't racist, but they don't mind exploiting racism to get what they want. Hence the anti-bussing movement, etc.

And that's true of both parties, and always has been.
 
2006-02-09 07:12:27 PM
Anyway, I'm late for pool - peace out, I'm sure we can continue this some other time.
 
2006-02-09 07:16:48 PM
Sloth_DC: Note my comments previous about Goldwaters black aide and his loud and constant support for the AZ NAACP and desegregation of AZ. Doesn't exactly sound like he was pandering for racist votes.

That wasn't what he stressed in that election, and it certainly wasn't what the party as a whole, which is what we're talking about, emphasised. The Goldwater campaign, and its use of the Civil Rights Act as a wedge issue, set the stage for Nixon's Southern Strategy. Goldwater was used, to a degree, when it came to testing out the new Republican positions on race. Nixon, a pretty clear racist (listen to the tapes), had absolutely no problem exploiting the racist feelings in the south.

On a more personal level, I grew up in the deep south, and I watched campaign after campaign on a local level that teetered between subtle and blatant racism in the South Carolina Republican party. Hell, our former Governor, Carol Campbell, was a hell of a nutjob in the anti-bussing days. It was a way of making the racists look less scary and more palatable.
 
2006-02-09 07:20:58 PM
Dear Dancin_In_Anson.

You suck. A lot. Please STFU immediately. Thank you.

btw Texas is a rancid shiathole peopled entirely by boring asswipes like yourself.
 
2006-02-09 07:31:28 PM
jimmyhaha: Seeing as they brought up "Go Tell it on the Mountain"

If by they, you mean heap.

Being that he is a TF'er, you just proved my point without even knowing it.

(*Now STFU and let me get back to Half-Life and Frank Zappa*)
 
2006-02-09 07:36:48 PM
Daraymann: Being that he is a TF'er, you just proved my point without even knowing it.

Your point was that I offended black people. There was only one person who claimed to be offended, and he's a white-boy who doesn't read books. Grow up.
 
2006-02-09 07:52:42 PM
jimmyhaha: There was only one person who claimed to be offended, and he's a white-boy who doesn't read books.

1. I never said I was offended, I implied you are a no0b.

B. If I told you that I did read book, you would call me a lier, which is typical of you people.

3. You still haven't apologized for calling James Baldwin a noted racist.
 
2006-02-09 08:01:47 PM
Daraymann: 3. You still haven't apologized for calling James Baldwin a noted racist.

Me calling James Baldwin a racist would be like me calling you an intelligent, cultured person. So patently false that any reasonable human being would consider it sarcasm. Seriously, man. You're Asperger's on the hoof at this point. Calm down and back away.
 
2006-02-09 08:32:19 PM
jimmyhaha: Me calling James Baldwin a racist would be like me calling you an intelligent, cultured person. So patently false that any reasonable human being would consider it sarcasm.

This coming from a man who has "Human for Sale" linked in his profile. Now that there is anything WRONG with selling humans.

(*Yep, I went there*)
 
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