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(MSNBC)   City of Houston to Katrina refugees: Isn't it time you went home? Katrina refugees to hotels: Suck it. Hotels to Katrina refugees: Here's your pillow mint   (msnbc.msn.com) divider line 274
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2006-02-07 03:51:28 PM  
Microbe: I mean Ken Lay is arguably the biggest criminal on Planet Earth. Would you be afraid of being car-jacked if you saw him walking your way?

no.
but i can think of a few thousand ex-Exron employees (at least the ones that don't know what "diversify" means) that'd like to light up him & skilling, and i don't like getting caught in crossfire.
 
SSP
2006-02-07 03:57:42 PM  
2006-02-07 02:49:36 PM Nothingman


SSP - It always amuses me when conservatives...Your anger is misdirected and the Bush Crime Family is playing you like a fiddle...

Please shut the hell up. We all know how evil Bush is, the whole lot should be boiled in poison oil, but sweet jumping Christ, Bush didnt make the New Orleans evacuee who robbed my girlfriend at gunpoint do it. And he didnt force the 6 breakins in 2 months at my brothers apartment complex, or the 2 muggings, also in the same 2 month span. (the same 2 month span that coincides with the apartment complex's decision to accept vouchers).
Do you live in Houston? NO. You live in Denver. So SHUT THE F*CK UP YOU DIPSH|T! Save your bleeding heart for the environment or other worthy cause...


/sounds like you need a little anger management counseling
//The solution to your crime problem ....MOVE
/lives in northeast Denver
//thanks to your ignorant name-calling you too are a member of my Ignore list
 
2006-02-07 03:58:28 PM  
not defending Ken Lay, just think rapists and murderers deserve more time than they get. Fark all criminals.

My feelings on this subject would alarm even the most rabid anti-crime person on this forum. I try to temper what i actually put in writing.

Only thing I advise you, if you are concerned about crime, buy a gun, get a license, stay proficient, and don't hesitate to use it if the circumstances require it.

Personally, I have never been too concerned with the fact that the cops in Houston seem to shoot a lot of people. Apparently they weren't being very civil or they wouldn't have been shot.
 
2006-02-07 04:00:58 PM  
Apparently they weren't being very civil or they wouldn't have been shot.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

You owe me a new keyboard. That was a good one!!!
 
2006-02-07 04:03:54 PM  
now i feel left out. rats.
can i be on SSP's ignore list too?

;-)
 
2006-02-07 04:06:48 PM  
can i be on SSP's ignore list too?

Yeah. Just look above where he tried to "prop up" his argument using census stats then conveniently ignores every post telling him how his stats actually DISPUTE his entire argument. He may say you are a "name-caller" and "ignore" you. And by "ignore," I mean tell you that he is ignoring you, which isn't actually ignoring anyone.
 
2006-02-07 04:09:44 PM  
clayndwoods: Only thing I advise you, if you are concerned about crime, buy a gun, get a license, stay proficient, and don't hesitate to use it if the circumstances require it.

Personally, I have never been too concerned with the fact that the cops in Houston seem to shoot a lot of people. Apparently they weren't being very civil or they wouldn't have been shot.


You said it, clayndwoods. I don't care if you're black, white, brown, yellow, or purple with stripes. If I've got a gun and you try to redistribute my income/car/Reeboks to yourself, you're going to get your brains redistributed to the surrounding environs.

I'd hate to have to carry, but if it comes to that, I won't hesitate to defend myself or my family.
 
2006-02-07 04:11:42 PM  
Don't worry wjllope about it.

It's kinda boring being ignored by a total bush-blaming ignorant asshat troll.
 
2006-02-07 04:11:48 PM  
Abominable Snow Man,

I live in Parque View apartments, which is right across from UT Houston University Housing. The bus stop is right in front of the apartment entrance.

I haven't had any problems. Most of the people in the apartment complex are med/nursing/SPH students.

If you want, I can get some names of the other good aparment complexes in this area.

Just shoot me an email.
 
2006-02-07 04:11:55 PM  
"Unfortunately, parking at UT-Houston Med is ridiculously bad. Bad as in, $11 per day just to park IF you can find a parking spot."

We had a daughter that went to the medical centre for 2 years for cancer treatments and that was my MAIN gripe. 10-11 bucks a day is rape when you're on one income and have beaucoup medical bills

\lives in Webster
\\commutes to downtown
\\\watched a goofballin a suv nail the retaining wall at 50 mph this morning
\\\\where was I going with this?
 
2006-02-07 04:13:37 PM  
said it, clayndwoods. I don't care if you're black, white, brown, yellow, or purple with stripes. If I've got a gun and you try to redistribute my income/car/Reeboks to yourself, you're going to get your brains redistributed to the surrounding environs.

Never tell the judge that. You have a legal right (civilly and criminally speaking) to do what is necessary to protect yourself, but it sort of has to be equivalent to the crime (varies by state). Of course, if you "think" someone has a gun, then you should protect yourself first. A normal jury wouldn't dispute that you THOUGHT yourself in danger. Problems come when someone has a clear escape (e.g., you see someone breaking into your car from a distance) and choose to shoot. Bam.
 
2006-02-07 04:14:46 PM  
Microbe,

Yes, the crime rate in Houston has shot up. The large majority of the people arrested/convicted in recent murders and robberies are refugees from New Orleans.

A lot of the criminals from New Orleans came to Houston, and now they're warring with the Houston gangs.

The guys they've caught have said that they're not leaving Houston, as it's a much more lucrative city (crime-wise) than New Orleans.
 
2006-02-07 04:15:52 PM  
To add insult to injury, 3-11 Day was moved to farking Memphis this year. Gah!
 
SSP
2006-02-07 04:16:28 PM  
2006-02-07 04:06:48 PM tonesskin


can i be on SSP's ignore list too?

Yeah. Just look above where he tried to "prop up" his argument using census stats then conveniently ignores every post telling him how his stats actually DISPUTE his entire argument. He may say you are a "name-caller" and "ignore" you. And by "ignore," I mean tell you that he is ignoring you, which isn't actually ignoring anyone.


/can you please make a coherent point?
//other posters calling me a dipshiat and a member of NAMBLA is hardly disputing any argument
/I'm sorry you can't grasp the finer point of census stats - perhaps I should just name call and declare victory....
 
2006-02-07 04:17:41 PM  
tonesskin: Never tell the judge that. You have a legal right (civilly and criminally speaking) to do what is necessary to protect yourself, but it sort of has to be equivalent to the crime (varies by state). Of course, if you "think" someone has a gun, then you should protect yourself first. A normal jury wouldn't dispute that you THOUGHT yourself in danger. Problems come when someone has a clear escape (e.g., you see someone breaking into your car from a distance) and choose to shoot. Bam.

Clarification: I wouldn't snipe someone breaking into my car at 200 yds. Even if that would be a damn good shot with a handgun. No, I'm talking about if someone attacked.
 
2006-02-07 04:18:50 PM  
tonesskin: Problems come when someone has a clear escape (e.g., you see someone breaking into your car from a distance) and choose to shoot. Bam.

*rifles through handbook*

Sez' here the protocol for that situation is to drag the body back into your house and break out a window from the outside.

;)
 
2006-02-07 04:18:59 PM  
I thought we were sending all those Katrina evacuees to Utah. Weren't we sending them to Utah?

/jokes involving Mormons and them wanton French Quarter cuties left as an exercise for the reader
 
2006-02-07 04:19:17 PM  
When i get robbed and pull my gun on someone, I always find that it is a good idea to yell "HEY YOU DROPPED YOUR WALLET" or "HEY IS THIS YOUR 20 DOLLAR BILL?" at someone running away from me that i am about to shoot so that they at least turn around to look so i dont have to fight that whole "hey you shot this guy in the back" BS.
 
2006-02-07 04:21:02 PM  
I'm only posting here to ask if I can be on SSp's ignore list too. Sounds like good times.
 
2006-02-07 04:22:19 PM  
mesmer242

In most cities you don't even need a map, you can walk around and tell where the red line was. Ever been walking in a city and all of a sudden the neighborhood gets really bad like from one block to the next? You've just crossed the red line...

It's amazing that these neighborhoods can have an ownership rate of 59%, when for decades home loans and *insurance* weren't even available. I suspect at one point it dropped much lower than that.

Urban crime steadily increased from the start of redlining in the '30s and did not turn around until after it was banned in the '60s and homeownership again became possible in these areas, and it took until the 80s to bottom out because the neighborhoods were so far gone by then.
 
2006-02-07 04:22:25 PM  
I concur...it's time for them to move on or go home. We've been good to them here in Houston and in return we have inherrited their gangs, pediphiles, murderers, and I believe the entire N.O. Ghetto... I'm sorry you lost everything, but everyone starts with nothing, so it shouldn't be a big surprise, the mourning period will last for quite a few years, but it's time to flip a burger, wait a table, shovel some sh.., pick up some trash, wash some cars, start up your own business...there are grants for that..."free money"...think outside the box, but by all means, stop your crying. If you had gotten out and gotten a minimum wage job while you were living for free in the hotels you'd have a nice nest egg to start off your new life.

\\Laziness - taught not learned
\\I pay taxes anyways, don't really care what they do with it...just don't want to pay more taxes because of lazy people
\\N.O. Go HOME!!!!!
 
2006-02-07 04:24:38 PM  
It is about time these people have to start taking care of thereself. They have been mooching off my tax money to long now. The government dependancy has to stop somewhere.
 
2006-02-07 04:25:16 PM  
SPP - to clarify things, YOU ARE A DOUCHE BAG

Better to keep one's mouth shut and let people think you're stupid, than open your mouth and remove all doubt

\Lives in Webster (Houston)
\\add me to your ignore list too
 
2006-02-07 04:26:08 PM  
i have seen (several times) cars on houston freeways that have LA plates and bumper stickers that say, simply, "Thanks Houston".

just thought i'd throw that out there.
 
2006-02-07 04:26:12 PM  
I mean SSP, not that it matters

you dont know what the hell you are talking bout
 
2006-02-07 04:27:56 PM  
2006-02-07 04:13:37 PM tonesskin

Not to be mean, but are you from Texas? They allow that down here. If you are breaking in my car, i can blow your brains out.
 
2006-02-07 04:30:49 PM  
Death_Poot:
If you are breaking in my car, i can blow your brains out.

I think Louisiana does one better: if you see someone carjacking someone else, you have the right to shoot the carjacker.
 
2006-02-07 04:31:22 PM  
Death_Poot: Not to be mean, but are you from Texas? They allow that down here. If you are breaking in my car, i can blow your brains out.

Not to be mean, but "you dont know what the hell you are talking bout"
 
2006-02-07 04:31:33 PM  
I imagine these are the same people who we were mad at for not evacuating when they were told to. They didn't have jobs or skills. They lived off the government. They lost what little they had--the family house to live in. They have nothing to return to and nowhere to start. These people are not going away. If we started now, we might be able to reduce poverty in America in a few generations. But, without education and stabile homes, then opportunity for children to work in the middle class, nothing will change. It's the way we've been treating these people in NO for years. The slave state continues. They don't work anymore, but they also have no hope or purpose in life. How do you think this country got such a good economy? Revenue was created by free labor, poured into the hands of the better off white people, and was never repaid.
Also, the only reason Guatemalans and Hondurans will work for $5 an hour is that they have no chance of making that money at home. If you're making $30 an hour and got laid off, would you work for $5 an hour digging ditches? I think I'd sell my house before doing that and live on savings until I found a better paying job. Sound familiar? No one likes losing.
 
2006-02-07 04:32:20 PM  
Sam_Walton: I think Louisiana does one better: if you see someone carjacking someone else, you have the right to shoot the carjacker.

Yeah, but carjacking is different than auto theft or burglary of a vehicle. In a carjacking, a person is being assaulted.
 
2006-02-07 04:33:30 PM  
barkingatthemoon

I concur...it's time for them to move on or go home. We've been good to them here in Houston and in return we have inherrited their gangs, pediphiles, murderers, and I believe the entire N.O. Ghetto...

Right. Because there was absolutely no crime in Houston before all the gangs, pedophiles, murderers, et al from New Orleans were displaced by Katrina and decided to turn Houston into a homage to Escape from New York/The Warriors.
 
2006-02-07 04:34:25 PM  
And to think, had the US Army Corps of Engineers followed its own recommendations and the Levee Board hired competent contractors this would have probably not happened.
 
2006-02-07 04:36:10 PM  
Shostie: Right. Because there was absolutely no crime in Houston before all the gangs, pedophiles, murderers, et al from New Orleans were displaced by Katrina and decided to turn Houston into a homage to Escape from New York/The Warriors.

This isn't a valid argument. No one is saying there was no crime in Houston. We're saying we'd rather have the crime rate we had BEFORE the evacuees arrived. Please stop using the same tired and fallacious arguments.
 
2006-02-07 04:39:01 PM  
Abominable Snow Man:
Yeah, but carjacking is different than auto theft or burglary of a vehicle. In a carjacking, a person is being assaulted.

True, though I'd hate to be shot because a random passerby thought I was carjacking someone.
 
2006-02-07 04:43:56 PM  
Abominable Snow Man
This isn't a valid argument. No one is saying there was no crime in Houston. We're saying we'd rather have the crime rate we had BEFORE the evacuees arrived. Please stop using the same tired and fallacious arguments.

You took in people from the Ninth Ward, arguably the poorest area of NO, what the fark did you THINK was going to happen? Besides, complaining about this does a disservice to those Katrina evacuees who are actually law-abiding citizens who moved to Houston, such as myself and my wife. And the lawbreakers are quite in the minority. More often than not, the problems revolve around Houston gangs clashing with NO gangs.
 
2006-02-07 04:50:14 PM  
/I'm sorry you can't grasp the finer point of census stats - perhaps I should just name call and declare victory....

What finer points? I was only arguing with your use of stats, not even your premise. You argued that "more whites are on welfare and under the poverty line," which is essentially true. But that is like saying, "More Muslims in Iran own goats than white people do." The PERCENTAGE of whites below poverty line, by YOUR stats is much lower than the percentage of blacks. So your point was essentially correct, but it was a useless comparison or use of stats and provided no real meaningful assertion.
 
2006-02-07 04:51:45 PM  
You took in people from the Ninth Ward, arguably the poorest area of NO, what the fark did you THINK was going to happen?

Yeah, now that I think about it, we probably should have taken a closer look at that guest list.
 
2006-02-07 04:53:59 PM  
Yeah, but carjacking is different than auto theft or burglary of a vehicle. In a carjacking, a person is being assaulted.

I actually was specifically thinking of a Louisiana case when I wrote the original statement (about not shooting someone robbing your car). A man in New Orleans actually was found to have used excessive force when he shot someone robbing his car. Now, carjacking would be a lot different and that isn't a Louisiana law. According to most states that use common law (and Louisiana, which doesn't really use common law), a person can defend others (civilly speaking) by using "equivalent force" to the perp. It sometimes gets really tricky with cases of rape, for instance, which is why you just say that the rapist appeared to be trying to kill someone.

I am unaware of any Texas rule that says you can shoot someone who is robbing your car if you see them from a distance. I would love to see the caselaw or the legislative ruling that states that. I do know that many states allow you to shoot to kill when someone is attempting to break into your home or even if they are prowling. Other states would (scarily) call that excessive force.
 
2006-02-07 04:59:14 PM  
Shostie: You took in people from the Ninth Ward, arguably the poorest area of NO, what the fark did you THINK was going to happen? Besides, complaining about this does a disservice to those Katrina evacuees who are actually law-abiding citizens who moved to Houston, such as myself and my wife. And the lawbreakers are quite in the minority. More often than not, the problems revolve around Houston gangs clashing with NO gangs.

Good for you and your wife. I've got no beef with you guys. Law abiding citizens are ALWAYS welcome, as far as I'm concerned. Send the hoodlums back, though. We don't deserve to have our city ruined. In fact, you and your wife don't deserve it, either. Houston should be safe for all of us.
 
2006-02-07 05:03:16 PM  
SSP
Please add me to your ignore list you obnoxious asshole. This way, I don't have to worry about your responses to any of my posts. Please move your irrelevant rhetoric to another thread, like say this one:

Owner of a 22-year-old Dachshund says the secret to his dog's long life is his 10 cigarette/day habit

Maybe the people in that forum will appreciate your logic on how the dog would live longer if the evil bush crime family would quit spending money on satanic worshipping oil companies and start giving it away to all families with dogs so they can buy more cigarettes so their dogs can live longer. But then, you and those like you would see that due to the huge increase in the use of cigarettes "global warming" has risen astronomically, and dogs are running rampant, which was the objective of the "bush crime family" because by this time the bush crime family has bought up all the rights to water, and is now successfully immersed in the water business, making billions off the suffering of others. Right?
 
2006-02-07 05:05:58 PM  
Tonesskin I wouldnt even bother trying to argue with SSP. Anyone who ends their post with "Serves Texas right just for being the home state of their incompetent village idiot Bush...." is a first class dumbass. Yeah we chose to be the state the GWB was born in.

Just let him throw out some numbers, scream and cry about how bush is farking the world up and enjoy the bliss that is his ignore list. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
 
2006-02-07 05:11:25 PM  
Shostie: Chill out dude nobody is saying anything bad about the good people who moved here. Its just the crackheads and scum from NOLA that are screwing it up. Yeah it sucks being grouped together with them but if you know you are a good person then you know we arent talking about you.

I for one am also sick and tired of hearing about Katrina still this long after the storm. Rita has barely been mentioned in the news anymore and it farked up my area pretty badly. I also hate the fact that you never hear anything about MS or any of the other states that lost miles of gorgeous coastland but i have to hear about how the ghettos of NOLA arent being rebuilt. Almost like MS wasnt even hit.
 
2006-02-07 05:12:07 PM  
Hollywood Cole:

HA-HA!!!
 
2006-02-07 05:15:05 PM  
At great peril I'm going out on a limb to say that SSP's original point was valid, more recent posts notwithstanding. I'm not sure WHY the point was being made, but there are many more whites than there are blacks on the welfare roles - so technically whites are indeed the "Welfare Queens" if one is predisposed to stereotypes.

Personally, I think the black/white issue is disingenuous - classism is a much bigger and more relevant problem. If you find yourself segregating both races (there are whites and white trash, there are blacks and <n-word>s), chances are you're on the verge of awakening to this unfortunate fact.
 
2006-02-07 05:15:35 PM  
Good for you and your wife. I've got no beef with you guys. Law abiding citizens are ALWAYS welcome, as far as I'm concerned. Send the hoodlums back, though. We don't deserve to have our city ruined. In fact, you and your wife don't deserve it, either. Houston should be safe for all of us.

Amen Abominable Snow Man

And welcome to you and your wife, Shostie.
 
2006-02-07 05:21:14 PM  
I'm not sure WHY the point was being made, but there are many more whites than there are blacks on the welfare roles - so technically whites are indeed the "Welfare Queens" if one is predisposed to stereotypes.

Indeed, there are. But that is because there are MORE WHITES. I don't think anyone who claims one race or another is full of "welfare queens" means raw numbers, but is pointing out more the fact of percentages... And even if that ISN'T what they mean, if you are considering this type of comparison, it is what you SHOULD consider.

That said, I also don't know WHAT the point is. It definitely isn't a causal assertion. And race should play no part in people's feeling about welfare.
 
2006-02-07 05:24:33 PM  
King_of_the_Cows
People generally don't commit crime because they're poor. They commit crime because they're dirtbags. Dirtbags tend to eschew work in favor of being lazy and taking things that don't belong to them. Thus, many dirtbags are poor, though we have a lot of dirtbags who happen to be born into money or fall into money.

We should be asking ourselves why we have so many dirtbags instead of why we have so many poor people.


Bravo! Very well said.
 
2006-02-07 05:31:23 PM  
I have a very good friend who for the last 5 years has worked hard to get her bad credit to good, worked 2 jobs, saved money, and finally bought herself a home this summer - in NO, of course. And it's gone and she's doing okay, lost everything but is living in an apartment and starting over.

So when I hear "Katrina victims" I usually think of people like my friend. But this story reminded me of when I stayed in Memphis about 2 weeks ago. The Days Inn I was at had Katrina victims all on the top floor (where the suites were). I was right under them. Man, they were loud..they were usually having a huge party (like, 4 or 5 rooms of people) 'til 3, 4 am. No way were these people spending the daylight hours looking for work/apartments.
 
SSP
2006-02-07 05:34:30 PM  
2006-02-07 05:03:16 PM Marmilman


SSP
Please add me to your ignore list you obnoxious asshole. This way, I don't have to worry about your responses to any of my posts. Please move your irrelevant rhetoric to another thread, like say this one:

Owner of a 22-year-old Dachshund says the secret to his dog's long life is his 10 cigarette/day habit

Maybe the people in that forum will appreciate your logic on how the dog would live longer if the evil bush crime family would quit spending money on satanic worshipping oil companies and start giving it away to all families with dogs so they can buy more cigarettes so their dogs can live longer. But then, you and those like you would see that due to the huge increase in the use of cigarettes "global warming" has risen astronomically, and dogs are running rampant, which was the objective of the "bush crime family" because by this time the bush crime family has bought up all the rights to water, and is now successfully immersed in the water business, making billions off the suffering of others. Right?


/you didn't say the magic word ....PLEASE
//you are rambling
/calling me a "obnoxious a**hole" is probably not enough to get you banninated so I'll still listen to your incoherent ramblings anyway ....makes me feel like a elitist
 
2006-02-07 05:35:48 PM  
2006-02-07 01:45:54 PM JerryCallo
Where did all of the money go?

Someone please do some research as to where the money is going.


Here's one place: each FEMA trailer costs the government FORTY THOUSAND DOLLARS over 18 months-- this includes the cost of the trailer itself, the costs of transportation/installation, the administrative costs that go with watching over it, ordering it, keeping up with it, etc.

Forty thousand fuc*ing dollars. You know if the govt had given 20 grand to every evacuee people would've thought that was crazy; yet it would've been cheaper than this!

Do you have any idea what you could rent yourself for 18 months with 40 grand? Hell, that's a great down payment on a house for someone with a job . . .
 
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