andyfromfl
Lol, I love that sign about being open minded.

When someone calls me closed minded, I say 'yes, indeed I am capable of making a decision.'

Huh? Your statement implies the opposite. For example, a computer is completely closed minded, in that it is incapable of making decisions, it only does exactly what it is commanded to do.

Closed minded implies that you are unreceptive to new ideas and therefore are incapable or unwilling to make a 'new' decision. The closed minded prefers to do what has always been done or do follow "tradition". In that sense the closed minded man is not making decisions he is merely following orders from the past.

No offense by the way, I'm just curious as to why one would prefer to be unreceptive to new ideas, concepts, and information.

The Billdozer: HOW DARE YOU POST THIS, YOU DUMB CHIMPMCFLIGHTSUITBUshiatLER WORSHIPER!!! You know good and well that Discover magazine is nothing but a Neo-Con magazine that is sponsored using all the national debt we have obtained and will be expelcity paid by the middle-class for the rest of history!!!


Troll time. Poor spelling will result in the loss of two angel points. Please report to your astroturf shift .supervisor

Taxcheat-

From the original 1958 act that defined the purpose of NASA and from the section #102 that you referred to us (http://www.nasa.gov/offices/ogc/about/space_act1.html#TITLE%20I--SHORT%20TITL E%20I ) :

"(d) The aeronautical and space activities of the United States shall be conducted so as to contribute materially to one or more of the following objectives:

(1) The expansion of human knowledge of the Earth and of phenomena in the atmosphere and space;"

So the number one "mission" according to the law written in 1958 is to expand knowledge OF THE EARTH! Secondly, to expand knowledge of the EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE! And Thirdly to expand knowledge of space.

You can also read the current MISSION STATEMENT OF NASA at:

http://naccenter.arc.nasa.gov/NASAMission.html


"NASA Mission Statement

* To advance and communicate scientific knowledge and understanding of the earth, the solar system, and the universe.
* To advance human exploration, use, and develoment of space.
* To research, develop, verify, and transfer advanced aeronautics and space technologies."


So in 1958, the primary mission of NASA was to promote knowledge of EARTH and the current primary mission of NASA (right now in 2006) is currently "UNDERSTANDING THE EARTH".

So Mr. Taxcheat, you are wrong about the mission of NASA being to explore space.

It is a tragedy that politics plays a part at all in the expansion of scientific knowledge, and what a shame it is that science and truth are muzzled due to the whims of politicians who find such truths inconvenient to their own economic and political interests.

Dead Farker Walken
HAHAHA... YEAH those dum libs. Stupid socialists and their social programs for lazy people!!!

Good thing that I support only private enterprises! Ha! They always work greater than public enterprises!! Oh... shat... the cord to my toaster has sparked and half of my kitchen has caught fire! The flames are too big and I can't put it out! Guess I'll call my privatly owned fire department... oh wait. There is none? Shucks.

/Economic conservatives always bash social programs until they require them.
//America is a SOCIAL democracy... because it uses a mix of government regulation and free markets.
///Silly people.
////Can't stand people too far left or right of each side.

triphopping_man

Did you actually read the farking article? The fingerprints of the current administration are all over the place. Now if you would like to change the subject - fine, but do not think that your misdirection is not obvious.

OF course. I'm sure the Bush administration PERSONALLY accounts for ALL of the non-sense that comes out of their interns' mouths. It's an improvement to the Clinton administration, which personally accounted for everything going *into* their interns' mouths.

/dead horse

Like that's my role in all this.

I can't help it if people don't get what's going on by themselves.

You probably thought my voting for Nader hurt Gore, too for that matter...;)

Eh, Gore's probably a bigger moron than Bush is. Kerry too, for that matter. I'd like Gore more than Kerry, though.

The Billdozer said,

"Yes, troglodyte, because George Bush had the power to stop hurricanes, but just chose not to due to his hatred of the negroes."

I think the thought behind Pontechango's post was that people everywhere could see the decimation in the Gulf Coast area for themselves.

Nobody I am aware of has accused the President of creating the disaster. Where the President took the hit was for appointing someone unqualified for the position to head FEMA. It does seem like an awful lot of unqualified people get appointed to rather important positions, don't you agree?

I am sure that is not something you support, right?

cfletch13

HAHAHA... YEAH those dum libs. Stupid socialists and their social programs for lazy people!!!

Good thing that I support only private enterprises! Ha! They always work greater than public enterprises!! Oh... shat... the cord to my toaster has sparked and half of my kitchen has caught fire! The flames are too big and I can't put it out! Guess I'll call my privatly owned fire department... oh wait. There is none? Shucks.

I haven't taken an official position. I merely criticzed the omnipresent left-wing in this topic.

The Billdozer HOW DARE YOU POST THIS, YOU DUMB CHIMPMCFLIGHTSUITBUshiatLER WORSHIPER!!! You know good and well that Discover magazine is nothing but a Neo-Con magazine that is sponsored using all the national debt we have obtained and will be expelcity paid by the middle-class for the rest of history!!!

Where exactly is Expel City? Is it near your home of South Doucheburg?

\quality trolling requires correct spelling, otherwise you'll just be mocked.
\\like this

From: astro716

Mister.44: Second off - calling it a theory does not deminish its current importance in our astrology, astrophysics, and cosmology studies.

astro716: "Astrology? You have to be kidding."

OMG - what a typo. I meant ASTRONOMY.

Mister.44: "While they think that the Big Bang is a very viable theory, it shouldnt be the only one. And we have had to change our physics models to make it "work"."

astro716: "Yeah, if it doesn't work perfectly from scratch, then it must be wrong. So we should manufacture other theories which are less supportive of the evidence....asshat."

Uh - oookaay - dunno what I did to warrent that. But Theorys, including the the Big Bang, are constantly being updated and revised. The fact that we have to break certain things to make it work, bothers some physicists. And yes - if a theory isnt provable, then other ideas should be encouraged! Good gawd - if scientists stopped asking questions and stopped at "good enough" we would still be living like Fred Flinstone.

Geoffrey and Margaret Burbidge were HUGELY respected until they went against the status quo. And they arent bible thumpers or what ever - they are just presenting an different idea.

Everyone was stuck on Gallilean (sp) physics until Einstein came around and showed them another way. And I am sure that someone some day will show something Einstein didnt see.

And for the record - I think the Big Bang theory is probably the best one - but I am open for other ideas.

From The Billdozer
"HOW DARE YOU POST THIS, YOU DUMB CHIMPMCFLIGHTSUITBUshiatLER WORSHIPER!!! You know good and well that Discover magazine is nothing but a Neo-Con magazine that is sponsored using all the national debt we have obtained and will be expelcity paid by the middle-class for the rest of history!!!"

I do hope that was just a joke. I mean. Wowsa. Discover has been very critical of Bush. They also have a lot of "liberal" minded articles, IMHO. Though they do try to balance out issues such as global warming.

In the Sept Issue (I think) they had a hugely controversial article on modern Darwinism. So I dont think they are a neo-con mouth peice.

Dead Farker Walken: OF course. I'm sure the Bush administration PERSONALLY accounts for ALL of the non-sense that comes out of their interns' mouths. It's an improvement to the Clinton administration, which personally accounted for everything going *into* their interns' mouths.


Ah - the old straw-man ploy. Sorry but you play that game alone.

Dead Farker Walken:
I merely criticzed the omnipresent left-wing in this topic

Not to much avail. And I don't think it's just the "left" that would like to put the biatchslap on the appalling ignorance and Bush-parroting that Deutsch is spewing.

SwingingJohnson:
2006-02-05 01:54:05 PM SwingingJohnson

Let me get this straight. This kid said they need to put the word WILD THEORY after the words BIG BANG?

This kid should be dragged out and tarred and feathered... Bush should be impeached... and whoever greenlit this should be spanked for trolling.

Corrected now. The desired phrase wasn't BIG BANG *THEORY*, but BIG BANG *WILD THEORY*.

Seriously, emotionally-feeble Fund-a-mentalcases need a good bullet into the brain if they aren't willing to see God's work with clear scientific minds.

God is made up of subatomic particles called 'holitrons'.

triphopping_man

Ah - the old straw-man ploy. Sorry but you play that game alone.

Eh, I didn't intend to bring up Clinton, it just popped in my mind. Anyway. Seriously, I really doubt George Bush knew what this intern said or even who he is.

cfletch13
Dead Farker Walken
HAHAHA... YEAH those dum libs. Stupid socialists and their social programs for lazy people!!!

Good thing that I support only private enterprises! Ha! They always work greater than public enterprises!! Oh... shat... the cord to my toaster has sparked and half of my kitchen has caught fire! The flames are too big and I can't put it out! Guess I'll call my privatly owned fire department... oh wait. There is none? Shucks.

The reason that certain social programs are provided is that there is no financial incentive in providing them.

There is no financial incentive in putting out fires or preventing crime. Somehow, this point is frequently missed by the "i hate the government... but we need more prisons" crowd.

I still can't get over the career scientists line. Maybe NASA should fire all the career scientists and hire a bunch of temps?

WeedOfTheShire


"The big bang IS just a theory. It has never been established as fact. Saying it's just a theory doesn't make you a creationist for christsakes. (in general, not referring to this guy)"

To say "it's just a theory" suggests a misunderstanding of the word theory. Gravity is a theory. A theory is not a guess but hypothesis suppourted by evidence. A theory can be disproven.

Dead Farker Walken: I haven't taken an official position. I merely criticzed the omnipresent left-wing in this topic.


Oh, thanks mister undecided. Does this means that the right wing approves of muzzling scientists? Didn't think so. This cannot be simply reduced to left/right rhetoric.

Is everything relative to politics - does simple research not standalone?

Religion makes people crazy and stupid.

Dead Farker Walken: Eh, I didn't intend to bring up Clinton, it just popped in my mind. Anyway. Seriously, I really doubt George Bush knew what this intern said or even who he is.


Whatever do you mean? Try and think through your shiat before you blow your wad on the keyboard.

Werbal_Kint: "Religion makes people crazy and stupid."

I would say its ignorance of ones religion that leads to this.

This is like Counseler Palpatine appointing young Anakin Skywalker to the Jedi Counsel.

There is darkness in the force, here.

Cuidado! Llamas!

I still can't get over the career scientists line.

To an administration made up almost entirely of dilettantes and cowards, the competent and principled are an enemy.

Big_B

In my humble opinion, the Cold War is a perfect example of greed (by defense contractors and career oriented bureaucrats in the Pentagon) and fearmongering (by the politicians and media).

I'm not saying that the Soviets weren't a threat. I'm saying the response was overdone. It was overdone because many people has something to gain.

Taxcheat: No, actually you do use the PR department to shut him down. NASA's mission is to explore space, not babble on about "global warming" or publish in journals. The PR department's job is to keep the agency on-message.


I'm sure your dumb ass has been thoroughly reamed by now, but just let me add... STFU!

Anyone who'd stupid enough to believe that the job of a government agency's PR department is to shut down "off-message" speech deserves to die of some easily-curable ailment. Gout would be good.



TheRising: Oh, and I'm not intellectually challenged, and I happen to believe the Big Bang, and I happen to be an Electrical Engineer, which, is probably the top five hardest majors to get. So, what are your qualifications?

I won the Nobel Prize for Physics, Chemistry, and Bobsledding, and I've had sex with Angelina Jolie and Drew Barrymore at the same time. Your internet qualifications are insignificant compared to mine and I say you are seriously challenged intellectually, unless you are an actual sheep, in which case your accomplishments are astounding. If on the other hand you're just another worshipper of Authority, right or wrong, then STFU, too.

You may detect a bit of anger in my responses, Bush fanboys. It's because your loyal adamant ignorance will wind up hurting my children and my country. Even more than it already has.

You can have all your "theories" and "facts", I'm gonna climb a mountain and wait for the easter bunny.

Taxcheat:
2006-02-05 02:01:30 PM Taxcheat [TotalFark]

For the record, I'm not Grover Norquist. I don't work for the American Enterprise Institute and I'm not being paid for Bushbotting. I am, however, amused by the suggestions.

We already *know* that you are a SLAVE to your ignorance.
It's usually a pretty safe bet that you're a WHORE to the DEATHCULT as well.

An educated man will always be many times more worthy than an ignorant man. Ignorant men always become SLAVES to far more wicked & dishonest ignorant men. Any more un-wisdom poor SLAVE?

Dead Farker Walken

Eh, I didn't intend to bring up Clinton, it just popped in my mind. Anyway. Seriously, I really doubt George Bush knew what this intern said or even who he is.

He has fostered a culture that allows this type of behavior. From FEMA Secretary Brown (a freaking lawyer of the Arabian Horse Traders Association?!) to his nomination of Harriet Myers, Bush has enforced an extremely pro-nepotism agenda. The management and principles of any organization comes from the top down. Bush is represented in the people he hires and the people they hire. It was clearly understood down the chain of command that these typese of hiring practices were allowed.

I for one, and not surprised by what I see as another instance of incompetent management from the Bush administration. I'm frequently amazed that he was able to tout his CEO status when he has only owned two businesses and they both went bankrupt.*

*he did also own the Rangers, but it's not really "running" a business when every aspect of said business is controlled by MLB and the commisioner. All he has to do is set ticket prices to get people in the seats.

Dead Farker Walken
Oh, right. Burning in hell for eternity is certainly better than merely ceasing to exist! I don't know, buddy. I don't think Christians would buy that one.

i'm not trying to sell my views to the christians, just trying to get an accurate view of the world during my short life. my way is foolproof in finding out once and for all if there is an afterlife. believing in one, then just ceasing to exist is the easy out. you never knew how wrong you were, lived an ignorant life that ended in bliss. if my life is the ignorant one, at least it won't be over.

if i were to make such a profound error on how i view the world, i'd like to at least know if i was wrong. with something as silly as burning in hell i figure my odds are like infinity/1.

besides, you get used to anything after a while. i'd be so excited to be able to think about what a strange complex world my multi-dimentional soul really lives in i'd be in constant amazement and wouldn't care that i was "burning" besides, i'll have plenty of cool people to hang out with and laugh about how the religious freaks were actually on the right track.

i'm just pissed about the amount of $$ those ignorant soon to be blissfull people are in control of.

Dead Farker Walken: OF course. I'm sure the Bush administration PERSONALLY accounts for ALL of the non-sense that comes out of their interns' mouths. It's an improvement to the Clinton administration, which personally accounted for everything going *into* their interns' mouths.


Man, the quality of the trolling has really gone downhill lately.

Taxcheat:
Pardon me if I am not of the opinion that all good things must be funded by the government, because usually when government does it, it isn't so good.

Like this damn internet.

Xaxor: There are countries in the world that will not educate women. We do.

Wait a minute. I thought you said that you didn't need to go to school to be a wage-slave...

Well, I have't read the article because of a "CPU limit" error on the website. But generally speaking:

1. Government appointments are lame.

2. Belief in God does not preclude The Big Bang.

/nothing to see here, please disperse

Dead Farker Walken

No matter how inane the Bush administration policy, the defense always comes down to:

1.
The libs just can't seem to do anything but blame Bush. Bush this. Bush that. Bush. Bush.

2.
It's an improvement to the Clinton administration, which personally accounted for everything going *into* their interns' mouths.

I give you zero for originality of defense.

/Go Steelers

TheRising
Oh, and I'm not intellectually challenged, and I happen to believe the Big Bang, and I happen to be an Electrical Engineer, which, is probably the top five hardest majors to get. So, what are your qualifications?

As an Electrical Engineering graduate from a program superior to yours, I'd just like to say STFU. You should be smart enough to know that every program is full of people that you can't believe even got into college. Your posturing has impressed no one. Please, don't ever, ever, ever do that again.

Xaxor: At least I spelled everything correctly.

Thanks to those worthless "schools", those vehicles of Liberal Indoctrination you were forced to attend.

The Billdozer:

Yes, troglodyte, because George Bush had the power to stop hurricanes, but just chose not to due to his hatred of the negroes.

Damn, that is one stupid straw man argument. Lovely psychological projection you've got going there, cave dweller.

Douche chill!

What's wrong with this is that he is taking a hard stance on an issue that at worst is indeterminate. If science doesn't know the answer (and I have a feeling it does), then why should this guy think he does? I would have just as much of a problem if he said "Ok, the big bang is true and you can all stop trying to test these other theories". His attitude is to stiffle scientific exploration, and furthermore, he's going against what science knows so far.

/didn't get to rfta
//server's farked

Yes, the Left values education... which explains why the schools are worthless. Who needs an education to be a wage-slave anyway? Education is a right (oooh, scary liberal-speak), but the rest of the country has to realize that it is also a very powerful privilige. There are countries in the world that will not educate women. We do. It's how we achieved our power, though power is not the only thing that matters. Knowledge benefits everyone. Everyone.

It's not a privilege if half the countries in Asia perform better than we do. And it's not power if they were able to pull it off through prioritizing education over ammo. And fyi, the most top performing high school districts with the highest levels of both income and job growth in the nation are all overwhelmingly liberal. There's naturally a good tendency for republican tax cuts which is common sense since it benefits their high status households the most, but they're still blue districts in the aggregate.

Of course when Bush cuts $13 billion in student loans, the wealthy students don't get affected nearly as much.

Dead Farker Walken:
Uh... People actually believe in the Big Bang theory?
Does it even qualify as one?

are you serious? visual observations of the galaxies show them rapidly moving away from each other, tracing back their paths puts them in close proximity about 15 billion years ago, shortly before the cosmic microwave background radiation which in itself is credible evidence supporting the big bang theory. it's the theory of the chaotic early times of this universe that put everything on the trajectories it's on today, and it's self correcting and ever changing.

what other "theories" of the orgin of the universe are there to even compete with it? and i've yet to hear any theories to challenge evolution either. i wouldn't even call ID a hypothesis, more of a egocentric guess. almost as egocentric as creating god in man's image.

LineNoise: You really think some shepard in 800BC is going to understand the physics of a neutrino?

Yes, if he had a good teacher. God's schedule was too tight to sit down and tutor his prophets for a few hours every night?

Emerson999: God's schedule was too tight to sit down and tutor his prophets for a few hours every night?

No, that was usually during the time when He known to go out for a beer.

*straight face*

Dead Farker Walken
OF course. I'm sure the Bush administration PERSONALLY accounts for ALL of the non-sense that comes out of their interns' mouths. It's an improvement to the Clinton administration, which personally accounted for everything going *into* their interns' mouths.


what the hell do you think Bush has been focusing on for the past 6 years? Saving people's money? Right. Cuz interns always proofread NASA reports and give out orders nowadays. It's normal stuff, whatever.

don't be naive. Stop blaming everything on chance. Apologists don't know left from their right anymore.

TheRising: Oh, and I'm not intellectually challenged, and I happen to believe the Big Bang, and I happen to be an Electrical Engineer, which, is probably the top five hardest majors to get. So, what are your qualifications?

If you think proclaiming that you're a college student at a state school is going to impress anyone, then yes, you're intellectually challenged.