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(Cosmic Variance)   Twenty-four year old Bush campaign worker with no science background gets rewarded with appointment to NASA, tries to promote intelligent design, discount the Big Bang on NASA's web page. Hilarity ensues   (cosmicvariance.com) divider line 531
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2006-02-05 03:57:49 PM  
WeedOfTheShire

The big bang IS just a theory. It has never been established as fact.

of course! and all you little bush apologists are missing the point (intentionally, i believe).

the argument has nothing to do with whether the big bang is a theory or not. it has EVERYTHING to do with fundamentalist morons attempting to put bible stories to the same level as rational, falsifiable, logical science.

many many many posters on this thread have clearly showed the difference between a scientific theory and ID. it's pretty clear. but please, keep ignoring that, and enjoy working for your chinese masters in 40 years. idiot.
 
2006-02-05 03:59:03 PM  
er - what exactly is the big deal?

First off - it is a theory.

Second off - calling it a theory does not deminish its current importance in our astrology, astrophysics, and cosmology studies.

Third - calling it a theory doesnt automatically give more or less support for intelligent design or any other theory.

And there are people much smarter than most of us who do question the Big Bang and our origins. Check out this article in Discover Magazine. It was a good read.
http://www.discover.com/issues/nov-05/features/two-against-the-big-bang/

While they think that the Big Bang is a very viable theory, it shouldnt be the only one. And we have had to change our physics models to make it "work".
 
2006-02-05 04:02:08 PM  
"Second off - calling it a theory does not deminish its current importance in our astrology, astrophysics, and cosmology studies."

Astrology?
 
2006-02-05 04:02:26 PM  
Mister.44

First off - it is a theory.

Second off - calling it a theory does not deminish its current importance in our astrology, astrophysics, and cosmology studies.

Third - calling it a theory doesnt automatically give more or less support for intelligent design or any other theory.


First off, ID isn't a theory. The Big Bang is.

Second off, calling (ID) a theory does not diminish its current irrelevance in our astronomy, astrophysics, and cosmic studies.

Third - Right-wing groups are seeking to undermine scientific thought by equating scientific theory with religious dogma.
 
2006-02-05 04:02:33 PM  

This is the key point: Hansen's job is to do what NASA's administrator tells him to do. He is not doing that. The only reason he hasn't been fired is our screwed up system prevents that.


Really? Is that what his farking job description says? He's a professional, I'm sure his position has a purpose and lackey probably isn't it.
 
2006-02-05 04:02:43 PM  
Also - FARKED!
 
2006-02-05 04:03:00 PM  
Mister.44: Second off - calling it a theory does not deminish its current importance in our astrology, astrophysics, and cosmology studies.

Astrology? You have to be kidding.

While they think that the Big Bang is a very viable theory, it shouldnt be the only one. And we have had to change our physics models to make it "work".

Yeah, if it doesn't work perfectly from scratch, then it must be wrong. So we should manufacture other theories which are less supportive of the evidence....asshat.
 
2006-02-05 04:03:28 PM  
Demon of the Fall

If I bash my head against a cinder block for a couple of minutes will I get a better understanding of how the Bush administration thinks?

The Bush administration does not think. They go with their gut feeling.

A bowl of maggot soup washed down with gasoline would be a more likely way to approximate the way the administration thinks.
 
2006-02-05 04:04:04 PM  
Holy crap. The head of NASA has a mighty impressive education. Also had some kick ass jobs.

Griffin received a bachelor's degree in Physics from Johns Hopkins University; a master's degree in Aerospace Science from Catholic University of America; a Ph.D. in Aerospace Engineering from the University of Maryland; a master's degree in Electrical Engineering from the University of Southern California; a master's degree in Applied Physics from Johns Hopkins University; a master's degree in Business Administration from Loyola College; and a master's degree in Civil Engineering from George Washington University. He is a certified flight instructor with instrument and multiengine ratings.
 
2006-02-05 04:04:08 PM  
Taxcheat: NASA's Administrator is the political appointee responsible for authorizing the public statements of NASA scientists because they are being made as NASA scientists, not as just the statements of a random individual. Tacking "NASA" alongside their name adds credibility. NASA's Administrator is a rocket scientist.

"It is not the job of public-affairs officers," Dr. Griffin wrote in an e-mail message to the agency's 19,000 employees, "to alter, filter or adjust engineering or scientific material produced by NASA's technical staff."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/04/science/04climate.html?_r=1&hp&ex=1139029200 &en=6a15af4274e8942d&ei=5094&partner=homepage&oref=slogin

Now quit trying to change the subject. Place invective here.
 
2006-02-05 04:05:03 PM  
"A bowl of maggot soup washed down with gasoline would be a more likely way to approximate the way the administration thinks."


A bowl of maggot soup washed down with gasoline was Bush's original campaign slogan.
 
2006-02-05 04:06:23 PM  
Donald_McRonald: approximate the way the administration thinks.

More likely a large spiked phallus up Americas ass.
 
jxc
2006-02-05 04:07:09 PM  
STOP THE SCIENCE NOW!
GOD IS IN THE GAPS!
READ THE BIBLE INSTEAD!

(^ The complete text of 'The Official Textbook on Intelligent Design')
 
2006-02-05 04:07:17 PM  
StretchCannon: My theory is that Bush will mess up and do something so stupid that people will finally wake up.

I hope it'll be the deficit and debt issue.

I'm sitting here doing my taxes today and am getting more and more pissed. Keep in mind, as a Godless, commie liberal I don't mind paying my taxes as I can see a tangible benefit in our society. However, we owe quite a bit more than expected this year.

And for what really pisses me off: When the fiscal shiat hits the fan and Bush and his lackey Congress make the tax cuts for the wealthiest families in this country PERMANENT, as I have no doubt he will, The deficit is going to be a real problem. When it comes time to raise taxes to fix the problem do you think that Congress will put them back where they belong on those who are gaining the most benefit from current tax cut schemes? Hell, no. The tax burden will be shifted to the middle class.

Screw you guys who supported these retarded tax cut schemes.
It'll be alot of fun for us in the middle class to pay the debt down WITH INTEREST in the coming years, huh? What will be even MORE frustrating will be listening to idiots like Limbaugh and Hannity blame a rise in taxes on the Democrats who will be forced to clean up the current mess.

Tax-and-spend sounds alot better to me than borrow-and-spend to...

/Now back to my bitter taxes.
 
2006-02-05 04:09:14 PM  
Taxcheat: NASA's Administrator is the political appointee responsible for authorizing the public statements of NASA scientists because they are being made as NASA scientists, not as just the statements of a random individual.

Bull. This is a rogue dissenter, planted by the naysayers.

Scientists do not anally insist the word "Theory" be added after the words "Big Bang." are said or published.

Nice try.

And everyone, here's a link that details a lot of the hubbub...since the submitter's link is farked...
 
2006-02-05 04:10:11 PM  
Wow, it's like Larry Niven's "Fallen Angels" book is coming to life...
 
2006-02-05 04:10:47 PM  
Donald_McRonald

A bowl of maggot soup washed down with gasoline was Bush's original campaign slogan.

I knew I had heard that somewhere before.

/wiping off keyboard
 
2006-02-05 04:11:32 PM  
Churchy LaFemme: It'll be alot of fun for us in the middle class to pay the debt down WITH INTEREST

Thats what the middle-classes children are for. Remember that the rich pay tax attorneys and live in the bahamas.

Its still bread and circuses to keep the masses distracted.
 
2006-02-05 04:11:50 PM  
Is anyone still surprised that borderline-retarded, unexperienced Bush ass-kissers get all the top jobs in government?

Still, they have the Fashion God angle going for them. Hey, if the world around you is burning, it's as good a time as any to reach for a fiddle.
 
2006-02-05 04:11:55 PM  
I can't believe I just sat and read this entire thread.

/bored
/somewhat stoned
 
2006-02-05 04:16:33 PM  
Uh... People actually believe in the Big Bang theory?


Does it even qualify as one?
 
2006-02-05 04:17:53 PM  
You're doin' a heck of a job, Deutschie!
 
2006-02-05 04:18:38 PM  
step 1- look at the observations made in the last 500 years made with our telescopes and microscopes, and look at the fish with feet that are still alive today (see aliens of the deep IMAX)

step 2- apply logical thinking

step 3- realize your life is insignificant, you consciousness won't exist after you die, you evolved randomly from hydrogen and gravity interacting from their initial trajectory, the results of a chaotic time we call "the big bang", nothing but other humans care that you exist and earth could disappear tomorrow and nothing else in the universe would care. doesn't mean you can't live happy and have good morals.

we don't know exactly what went down in what we call "the big bang", but since the current paths of the galaxies lead back to something crazy going down about 15 billion years ago (not to mention the cosmic microwave background radiation), how can that be argued without the person looking like a fool? and anyone tryint to support ID is basically saying they don't believe everything on earth evolved from the same slime, ignorant as well.

to me religion is the comical results of people who didn't have telescopes or microscopes trying to understand the world around them.
 
2006-02-05 04:18:40 PM  
www.photodump.com

The fundies are out there.

They can't be bargained with, they can't be reasoned with.

They don't feel pity or remorse or guilt, and they absolutely will not stop, ever, until the unbelievers are dead.

Can you stop them?

I don't know.

With these Democrats, I don't know.
 
2006-02-05 04:20:24 PM  
"Hey Mister Monkey don't be askin' why, cuz you know you can't mess with American pride."
 
2006-02-05 04:20:44 PM  
stuffer

to me religion is the comical results of people who didn't have telescopes or microscopes trying to understand the world around them.

And to Christians, burning in hell is the comical result of what you just said.
 
2006-02-05 04:21:50 PM  
Six months to a year ago I would have been outraged. I would have been frothing that such an injustice to science was happening...

But I find more and more recently with every new issue deserving of outrage that I can't muster a strong oppositional response as I once could. Bush has already done just about everything one can do to antagonize and marginalize his opposition, and with every new infraction I learn about I can only bring myself to muster a defeated sigh with the understanding that to get outraged would be a waste since my cries of disgust would fall on deaf ears.
 
2006-02-05 04:22:24 PM  
Taxcheat

So long as the National Aeronautics and Space Administration must cross the atmoshere to reach space, I see no problem with them doing any research into the atmoshere and its weather and climatology.
 
2006-02-05 04:22:38 PM  
Dead Farker Walken
yep, but one of us is wrong, and at least if i burn in hell i get to know i was wrong, and if they are wrong, they never get to know.

ignorance is bliss

www.farkimages.com
 
2006-02-05 04:22:42 PM  
pontechango: Uh oh, here's another reason that NASA is an embarrassment to the Bush Adminstration

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/katrina_google.html

NASA Post-Hurricane Katrina Images Available On Google Earth

When Hurricane Katrina made landfall in August 2005, it changed the look of some of the coastlines of three U.S. states. Now, using Google Earths software on the Internet, people can see the before and after affects, thanks to detailed images from NASA and the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS).



Yes, troglodyte, because George Bush had the power to stop hurricanes, but just chose not to due to his hatred of the negroes.
 
2006-02-05 04:23:04 PM  
Just so I get my 2 cents in

a religion prof of mine explain relegion this way:

Science seeks to understand the material world, and draws its evidence from physical perceptable changes. Scientific truth can only be reached though countless experiments and and divorcing of personal beliefs and prejudiuces.

Religon seeks to understand what we can not seem the metaphyscal. God is not in the face of every child, and god might not even care if we exist, if there is even a god. who knows? Religion tries to answer this question. Religios turth has nothing to do with the material world, and most dismiss materail posessions.

Therefor to try to explain science though god, is to destroy both scietific truth, by interposing one beliefs, and religios truth, by seeking god in this world.

this post would have been better if not for the vodka
 
2006-02-05 04:23:18 PM  
sigdiamond2000

"Hey Mister Monkey don't be askin' why, cuz you know you can't mess with American pride."

Excellent reference!

/"We're earthlings, we should be blowing up earth things!"
 
2006-02-05 04:23:45 PM  
TalonYoseiijo

But I find more and more recently with every new issue deserving of outrage that I can't muster a strong oppositional response as I once could. Bush has already done just about everything one can do to antagonize and marginalize his opposition, and with every new infraction I learn about I can only bring myself to muster a defeated sigh with the understanding that to get outraged would be a waste since my cries of disgust would fall on deaf ears.

Do we even know this article to be true? Where did these magical quotations come from? You act as though Bush wrote them himself.

I wonder what the liberals will do when Bush is out of office. Will they begin blaming the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
 
2006-02-05 04:24:26 PM  
That's a new kind of low for them, huh?
 
2006-02-05 04:25:37 PM  
stuffer

yep, but one of us is wrong, and at least if i burn in hell i get to know i was wrong, and if they are wrong, they never get to know.

Oh, right. Burning in hell for eternity is certainly better than merely ceasing to exist! I don't know, buddy. I don't think Christians would buy that one.
 
2006-02-05 04:26:40 PM  
Dead Farker Walken: I wonder what the liberals will do when Bush is out of office.

Live more sensible lives. Not spend billions of dollars on stupid wars we shouldn't be fighting.

Oh, and we'll finally leave science the f*ck alone to do its thing.
 
2006-02-05 04:27:09 PM  
ABUSE OF VESTED POWER --- GROUNDS FOR IMPEACHMENT

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/articles.html (pops)

Article. I. - Section 2.

The House of Representatives shall choose their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.

Article. I - Section 3.

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

Article. II. -- Section 2.

Section 2.

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

Article 2. --- Section 4.

The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Article. 3 --- Section 2

The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.

Section 3.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

========

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article02/18.html (pops)
Section 4. Impeachment -- Annotations p. 18
The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

=======

http://www.impeachbush.tv/impeach/articles.html (pops)

Articles of Impeachment for
President George W. Bush,
Vice President Richard B. Cheney,
and Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld
for high crimes and misdemeanors.
 
2006-02-05 04:27:15 PM  
Dead Farker Walken: I wonder what the liberals will do when Bush is out of office.


Who are these liberals that you speak of? It sounds like you have some paranoid tendencies. Its time to stop blaming others for the failures of the present administration.
 
2006-02-05 04:28:58 PM  
SteinAuf: That's a new kind of low for them, huh?


We are on a race to the bottom - buckle up.
 
2006-02-05 04:28:58 PM  
Lol, I love that sign about being open minded.

When someone calls me closed minded, I say 'yes, indeed I am capable of making a decision.'
 
2006-02-05 04:31:00 PM  
whidbey

Live more sensible lives. Not spend billions of dollars on stupid wars we shouldn't be fighting.

Oh, and we'll finally leave science the f*ck alone to do its thing.


I certainly hope so. Maybe then they'll stop being so ridiculously idiotic and the Democrats might have a fighting chance against the Republicans.

I predict a clean sweep for the cons in the next election. The libs just can't seem to do anything but blame Bush. Bush this. Bush that. Bush. Bush.
 
2006-02-05 04:32:18 PM  
Mister.44: And there are people much smarter than most of us who do question the Big Bang and our origins. Check out this article in Discover Magazine. It was a good read.
http://www.discover.com/issues/nov-05/features/two-against-the-big-bang/

While they think that the Big Bang is a very viable theory, it shouldnt be the only one. And we have had to change our physics models to make it "work".


HOW DARE YOU POST THIS, YOU DUMB CHIMPMCFLIGHTSUITBUshiatLER WORSHIPER!!! You know good and well that Discover magazine is nothing but a Neo-Con magazine that is sponsored using all the national debt we have obtained and will be expelcity paid by the middle-class for the rest of history!!!
 
2006-02-05 04:32:22 PM  
tagarack and all who agree with him/her/it:

I am generally not very into religion, but I have to admit that I see the viewpoint of intelligent design to an extent. The idea that the world is just too planned out to be random makes sense to me.

What you call "planned out" may very well be as simple as a limit in the number of viable choices. The basic argument of the "cannot be random" crowd is that there are infinitely many possibilities, and so what exists is simply too unlikely to have happened by accident. But the laws of chemistry are very limited, very specific, and do not allow, for example, one atom of oxygen to combine with arbitrarily many atoms of hydrogen -- the ratio is, as far as we can tell, always one oxygen to two hydrogen. There are a very large number of possible ways for the small, finite set of elements in this universe to combine, but it is nowhere near infinite, and the combinations are not random in any sense, save for the way the elements, and conditions under which they combine, are distributed -- and even that is fairly structured. It is remarkable that a small subset of those chemical compounds that CAN come into existence also form the basis of life, but that is the way things are, and there is no recourse to either random chance or probability. And even randomness -- which most people do not remotely understand -- is far less scary when you are dealing with a small, finite group of objects. Procure a pair of dice, and toss them, and try to explain the outcome of some series of throws as "Intelligent Design," because it couldn't possibly be "random" that so many sixes, sevens and eights come up, as opposed to twos, threes, elevens and twelves. Sorry, but that's the way dice are made. Chemistry is inherent in the way atoms are made. Life in inherent in the way the universe was made. If you want to argue design, argue design, not evolution, which is what happened AFTER the design was implemented. The "Big Bang" was only the turning of the key in the ignition. You have to go further back than that, if you want to see the big picture. Lotsa luck.

Sorry for the rant. Haven't farked for a while, due to (a) being on slow dial-up, and (b) having to furnish my new home via ebay (as befits my moniker.)

/Plus I have this pain in all the diodes running down my left side.
 
2006-02-05 04:32:29 PM  
Dead Farker Walken: The libs just can't seem to do anything but blame Bush.

It's our way of reminding him where The Buck stops...:)

Commander-in-Chief: Not just a fancy title.
 
2006-02-05 04:33:30 PM  
whidbey

It's our way of reminding him where The Buck stops...:)

Commander-in-Chief: Not just a fancy title.


Excellent way of swinging that moderate vote and winning the Presidency in '08. Especially since Bush won't even be running.

Unless Jeb Bush does.
 
2006-02-05 04:34:49 PM  
 
2006-02-05 04:35:20 PM  
Dead Farker Walken: The libs just can't seem to do anything but blame Bush. Bush this. Bush that. Bush. Bush.

Has this talking point been used enough yet to officially qualify as a Fark Cliche'?
 
2006-02-05 04:35:37 PM  
Dead Farker Walken: The libs just can't seem to do anything but blame Bush. Bush this. Bush that. Bush. Bush.

Did you actually read the farking article? The fingerprints of the current administration are all over the place. Now if you would like to change the subject - fine, but do not think that your misdirection is not obvious.
 
2006-02-05 04:36:15 PM  
Dead Farker Walken: Excellent way of swinging that moderate vote and winning the Presidency in '08

Like that's my role in all this.

I can't help it if people don't get what's going on by themselves.

You probably thought my voting for Nader hurt Gore, too for that matter...;)

Bottom line: Ignorant fundy-leaning dipwads like Deutsch shouldn't be in positions of power. He does not speak for science, he speaks for censorship and ignorance.
 
2006-02-05 04:36:26 PM  
"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

-George Orwell

/thought someone should mention orwell...
 
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