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(Cosmic Variance)   Twenty-four year old Bush campaign worker with no science background gets rewarded with appointment to NASA, tries to promote intelligent design, discount the Big Bang on NASA's web page. Hilarity ensues   (cosmicvariance.com) divider line 531
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2006-02-05 01:44:41 PM  
Polyhazard

That's just your theory.
 
2006-02-05 01:44:41 PM  
www.jazzopolis.com
"The truth can be made up, if you know how."
"Details at 11:00."
 
2006-02-05 01:44:54 PM  
well, it seems like the page has been farked...
 
2006-02-05 01:45:11 PM  
Link is farked. I'm getting an "exceeded CPU quota" message. Can anyone post the article?
 
2006-02-05 01:45:50 PM  
farked. article pwease?
 
2006-02-05 01:45:58 PM  
My ex talked up the Big Bang for weeks when we dated. He made me a believer. When it came down to the actual test, he had nothing to back him up. Now I know it's just a far-fetched theory.
 
2006-02-05 01:46:01 PM  
"If we do discover a complete theory, it should in time be understandable in broad principle by everyone, not just a few scientists. Then we shall all, philosophers, scientists, and just ordinary people, be able to take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of God."

From the greatest mind on the earth...
 
2006-02-05 01:46:10 PM  
Reason #23123 Why Bush is the worst president ever and should be immediately impeached and subsequently imprisoned, along with most of his administration.
 
2006-02-05 01:46:22 PM  
New York Times story on the subject. bugmenot required.
 
2006-02-05 01:46:35 PM  
Jmast7:

Thank you for posting it!
 
2006-02-05 01:46:40 PM  
Here's what's FARKed:

Administration official: "Big Bang" is just a theory
Sean at 6:21 pm, February 4th, 2006


Youve heard, I hope, about NASA climate scientist James Hansen, who the Bush administration tried to silence when he called for reductions in emissions of greenhouse gases. Cosmology, as it turns out, is not exempt from the radical anti-science agenda. The New York Times, via Atrios:

In October, for example, George Deutsch, a presidential appointee in NASA headquarters, told a Web designer working for the agency to add the word "theory" after every mention of the Big Bang, according to an e-mail message from Mr. Deutsch that another NASA employee forwarded to The Times.



The Big Bang memo came from Mr. Deutsch, a 24-year-old presidential appointee in the press office at NASA headquarters whose rsum says he was an intern in the "war room" of the 2004 Bush-Cheney re-election campaign. A 2003 journalism graduate of Texas A&M, he was also the public-affairs officer who sought more control over Dr. Hansens public statements.

In October 2005, Mr. Deutsch sent an e-mail message to Flint Wild, a NASA contractor working on a set of Web presentations about Einstein for middle-school students. The message said the word "theory" needed to be added after every mention of the Big Bang.

The Big Bang is "not proven fact; it is opinion," Mr. Deutsch wrote, adding, "It is not NASAs place, nor should it be to make a declaration such as this about the existence of the universe that discounts intelligent design by a creator."


It continued: "This is more than a science issue, it is a religious issue. And I would hate to think that young people would only be getting one-half of this debate from NASA. That would mean we had failed to properly educate the very people who rely on us for factual information the most."

Emphasis added. Draw your own conclusions, Im feeling a bit of outrage fatigue at the moment.

Update: Phil Plait has extensive comments at Bad Astronomy Blog. Also Pharyngula, Balloon Juice, Stranger Fruit, Gary Farber, and Mark Kleiman.
 
2006-02-05 01:46:46 PM  
Nice way to sidestep the questions, Taxcheat but in section 102.d.1 it reads "(1) The expansion of human knowledge of the Earth and of phenomena in the atmosphere and space" as a primary mission of NASA.

NASA has plenty of satellites that only study weather and climate. This is a scientist who is employed to study climate change by NASA, in tradition with one of its missions given by Congress.

Care to try again?
 
2006-02-05 01:47:17 PM  
I would like to welcome Grover Norquist to the forum:

Please say hello to "Taxcheat."
 
2006-02-05 01:47:34 PM  
www.redshift.com


Good book.
 
2006-02-05 01:48:11 PM  
carridin1: The link is Farked - can anyone post the text of the story?

Here's the NY Times article that it links to:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/04/science/04climate.html

The Big Bang memo came from Mr. Deutsch, a 24-year-old presidential appointee in the press office at NASA headquarters whose rsum says he was an intern in the "war room" of the 2004 Bush-Cheney re-election campaign. A 2003 journalism graduate of Texas A&M, he was also the public-affairs officer who sought more control over Dr. Hansen's public statements.

In October 2005, Mr. Deutsch sent an e-mail message to Flint Wild, a NASA contractor working on a set of Web presentations about Einstein for middle-school students. The message said the word "theory" needed to be added after every mention of the Big Bang.

The Big Bang is "not proven fact; it is opinion," Mr. Deutsch wrote, adding, "It is not NASA's place, nor should it be to make a declaration such as this about the existence of the universe that discounts intelligent design by a creator."

It continued: "This is more than a science issue, it is a religious issue. And I would hate to think that young people would only be getting one-half of this debate from NASA. That would mean we had failed to properly educate the very people who rely on us for factual information the most."

The memo also noted that The Associated Press Stylebook and Libel Manual specified the phrasing "Big Bang theory." Mr. Acosta, Mr. Deutsch's boss, said in an interview yesterday that for that reason, it should be used in all NASA documents.

The Deutsch memo was provided by an official at NASA headquarters who said he was upset with the effort to justify changes to descriptions of science by referring to politically charged issues like intelligent design. Senior NASA officials did not dispute the message's authenticity.
 
wil [TotalFark]
2006-02-05 01:48:35 PM  
Well, Deutsch clearly deserved his appointment, and is doing a heckuva job. All 24 years of him.
 
2006-02-05 01:48:39 PM  
The Big Bang should be tagged that way.

If you're going to bust his ass pick something REAL.
 
2006-02-05 01:49:01 PM  
Jmast7: Deutsch, like every other ID proponent, is using the common definition for the word "theory," i.e. an opinion. The Big Bang, however, is a scientific theory, like eveolution, which has scientific data to support it. If there was no data to support it, it would cease to exist to be a theory and scientists would make another to try and better explain their hypothesis.

Thank you. I can't believe how many times I've had to explain this to idiots lately. (And I know what I'm talking about. I work in a university research lab and my salary comes from NIH grants so everyone here who lives in the US pays a bit of my salary).

pontechango: Really? So you think Landsat is pointing in the wrong direction?

NASA also works to increase our understanding of all of the planets, including our own, from the air (the first A is for Aeronautics) and from space. So yes, Landsat, Seasat, and other similar missions are well within NASA's mandate. There is a lot more to it than just shuttle flights.

Taxcheat: Personally, fundamentalists bug me, but the knee jerk reaction to those who don't realize the big bang is a theory shows they're no different than the fundamentalists.

See above about the difference between the common definition of "theory" and scientific theory. The fact is that there is evidence to support both evolution and the Big Bang. End of story. If, as others have pointed out, the evidence did not exist, another hypothesis would be formulated, researched, and become a scientific theory in time as evidence was gathered. Sorry. Evolution and the Big Bang are real. They're still being refined all the time as new evidence comes to light, but they're real.

I don't work for NASA. I hate the agency and think it's a monumental waste of money. Billion dollar space probe? Oops, lost it.

And it's shortsighted viewpoints like this that drive me crazy. NASA gets all of 1-2% of the federal budget and is chronically underfunded. It's the underfunding that has lead to at least 14 of the 17 deaths the US space program has suffered (budget cutting led to the killing of much-better Shuttle designs that included an escape system.

All the whiners complaining about that shortcoming and using it as an excuse to slash the budget need to STFU because it was that same slashing that led to the problems of no escape system, a parallel stack instead of a vertical one, and segmented rather than monolithic, solid rather than liquid, boosters). NASA also does a lot of research and launches many, many more spacecraft than are lost.

There are many, many missions that are working perfectly that you don't hear about because the ones that work well don't grab the attention of newspapers focusing on "if it bleeds, it leads". Ever think of that?

A lot of hard science comes from the space program, too, not just the "feel-good" stuff. Lots of commercial spinoffs, too (like handheld computers -- the miniaturization drive really got going for Apollo). And lots of stoking of the human "we need to keep exploring" drive. And development of plans for getting the hell off this planet when we realize we've screwed it over too far to be inhabitable anymore (face it, it's happening. Global warming isn't just "a theory". It's a scientific theory, with real facts to support it).
 
2006-02-05 01:49:12 PM  
Wake 'n Bake

Thanks for reminding me why I hate liberals.
 
2006-02-05 01:49:17 PM  
Statements by political appointees like George Deutsch are why the Bush administration has gone from annoying to frightening.

"It is not NASA's place, nor should it be to make a declaration such as this about the existence of the universe that discounts intelligent design by a creator."

This guy is creating controversy where none should exist. If there is controversy it is just exactly whose version of a creator is Deutsch referring to? Do we have to give equal footing the Hindu version of a creator? Do the various creation stories of the American Indian tribes get equal footing as well? Or is this guy simply pushing his own religious views under the disguise of an equally scientific theory?

"This is more than a science issue, it is a religious issue. And I would hate to think that young people would only be getting one-half of this debate from NASA. That would mean we had failed to properly educate the very people who rely on us for factual information the most."

And what are the facts for ID other than someone just said so? Deutsch is correct. This is a religious issue. The issue is whether people like him, with the help of the Bush administration, will be able to pull off their stealth campaign of forcing their own religious views on the rest of us.
 
2006-02-05 01:50:53 PM  
 
2006-02-05 01:50:59 PM  
TheRising

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings."

"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms."

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
 
2006-02-05 01:51:02 PM  
TaxCheat:

No, actually you do use the PR department to shut him down. NASA's mission is to explore space, not babble on about "global warming" or publish in journals. The PR department's job is to keep the agency on-message.

NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION.

so yeah, aeronautics. having to do with flying in the atmosphere, i believe? whatever it is, it's separate from SPACE, so you're blatantly wrong on what it's mission is.

I hate the agency and think it's a monumental waste of money.

let's see what those tax dollars actually went to:

ksc.nasatechnology.com

hmm...i don't know if i'd use the word "waste". i think i'd probably use something like "cost-effective use"
 
2006-02-05 01:51:18 PM  
You know, I'm starting to get a wee bit pissed off here. We have brains/intellect for a reason. Hiding from truth (as discovered via the scientific method) is not one of them. (And by wee bit, I mean I can't afford enough booze to make this better). Oh, and by reason, I mean we evolved that way, we are the most curious of the primates...
 
2006-02-05 01:51:48 PM  
Jesus H Christ, man. This is so ridiculous... I am so incredibly sick of George Bush, American public. Be ashamed of yourselves - you have singlehandly put a real hurt on the world. Screw you.
 
2006-02-05 01:52:40 PM  
Cripes, even the Catholic Church isn't as against common sense and scientific truths as the asshats you Yanks are stuck with.
 
2006-02-05 01:52:46 PM  
Coming soon....

img.photobucket.com
 
2006-02-05 01:53:29 PM  
Taxcheat: he needs to quit his taxpayer-funded job and get a job at a research university.

I'm sorry. Who do you think funds 85% of the research at the liberal universities? Taxpayers in the form of funded research grants. Most universities give a pittance to research funding. To busy fielding football teams and re-turfing the campus every spring. Science at government labs is some of the best in the world because there are hundreds of scientists, and everyone is doing something a little different. Collaboration is how science happens.

If it is his job to research climate changes then let the man do that without trying to politicize the results.
 
2006-02-05 01:54:05 PM  
Let me get this straight. This kid said they need to put the word THEORY after the words BIG BANG?

This kid should be dragged out and tarred and feathered... Bush should be impeached... and whoever greenlit this should be spanked for trolling.
 
2006-02-05 01:55:28 PM  
It must be the Libby Bash Bush Day on Fark.

/playing the role of the brain dead neo-con today...
//soon to be followed with pictures of Kerry in some odd attempt to make a point...
 
2006-02-05 01:56:02 PM  
Xaxor

"The whole history of science has been the gradual realization that events do not happen in an arbitrary manner, but that they reflect a certain underlying order, which may or may not be divinely inspired."

"Not only does God play dice, but... he sometimes throws them where they cannot be seen."

"Even if there is only one possible unified theory, it is just a set of rules and equations. What is it that breathes fire into the equations and makes a universe for them to describe?"
 
jre
2006-02-05 01:57:07 PM  

Let me get this straight. This kid said they need to put the word THEORY after the words BIG BANG?

Yes, but that's not the issue. Since you missed it:

"It is not NASAs place, nor should it be to make a declaration such as this about the existence of the universe that discounts intelligent design by a creator."

THAT'S the issue.
 
2006-02-05 01:57:38 PM  
Bill Nye said it best, "Science rules!"
Stuff it Bush.
 
2006-02-05 01:58:38 PM  
Question: Is Mr. Deutsch's job taxpayer-funded?
 
2006-02-05 01:58:40 PM  
I just disowned a friend because of ID.

Sorry but ignorance has no place in my life, it is has a place in yours -- then you aren't my friend.
 
2006-02-05 01:58:47 PM  
TheRising addressing Wake 'n Bake says,

"Thanks for reminding me why I hate liberals."

Let me get this straight, you are defending the President in this action and hating liberals at the same time? Wow, that's pretty educated of you. Thanks for clarifying your qualifications in this discussion. Of course, I do believe this may be the only way you would ever get an appointment to NASA.

TheRising = Mr. George Deutsch?

Man, these intellectually challenged individuals are really laying it on thick. I guess they are scared to death over all the loss of all those Republicans that WON'T be voting their way.
 
2006-02-05 01:59:01 PM  
TheRising

Science does not prove or disprove the existence of a creator. It does, however, disprove a bunch of pagan nonsense in a book written by man called the bible.
 
2006-02-05 02:00:17 PM  
Proof by intimidation.
 
2006-02-05 02:00:33 PM  
People who believe in such bull squeek are turds....heres something to really beleive in roadblocks are not for drunks
 
2006-02-05 02:00:37 PM  
IMightBeWrong cheer up, the Day of the Dumbfark is just about over. The Bushists are barely clinging on to power and when they go, well, a picture is worth a thousand words:

www.billmon.org
wwwimage.cbsnews.com
www.nuigalway.ie
www.nps.gov
 
2006-02-05 02:00:58 PM  
Thank you Christians... for once again helping to spread bigotry and ignorance. We'll be living back in the Dark Ages in no time.
 
2006-02-05 02:01:13 PM  
I hope someone working in NASA catches the guy alone near the janitors closet... and just happens to be carrying piano wire.
 
2006-02-05 02:01:16 PM  
If you look closely, there's a tear just about to flow down his cheek...

www.centerforinquiry.net
 
2006-02-05 02:01:22 PM  
Here's the complete text of James Hansens's Dec. 6 presentation at the American Geophysical Union. I defy any Bush supporters to identify specific policy proposals that he made which crossed the line into a "political agenda":

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/~jhansen/keeling/keeling_talk_and_slides.pdf (5.5 mb)
 
2006-02-05 02:01:27 PM  
Taxcheat
This is the key point: Hansen's job is to do what NASA's administrator tells him to do. He is not doing that. The only reason he hasn't been fired is our screwed up system prevents that.

What orders has he failed to carry out?
 
2006-02-05 02:01:30 PM  
patrick862
Yeah, I can read. You'll note that atmosphere research is subordinate to the space research. It's one optional sub-mission... Read (d)

"(d) The aeronautical and space activities of the United States shall be conducted so as to contribute materially to one or more [that means, not necessarily all--tax] of the following objectives:"

bob_justice you're right I forgot about the aeronautical part. I don't think we get the bang for our buck of of the agency any more. Return to the moon? Stupid. Shuttle? Stupid. Hubble? good. That's just my opinion.

For the record, I'm not Grover Norquist. I don't work for the American Enterprise Institute and I'm not being paid for Bushbotting. I am, however, amused by the suggestions.
 
2006-02-05 02:01:32 PM  
WOW. Just plain Farking WOW.
 
2006-02-05 02:01:34 PM  
Every person who voted for Bush shares responsibility for this shameful nonsense. It is well past time that you demand better of the Administration YOU elected.

It's time for you to step up and make amends for how you helped f*ck a beautiful country and your fellow Americans.
 
2006-02-05 02:01:42 PM  
All resources are being redirected into his monumental "Ladder to Heaven" project.

Anybody else note his name could conveniently be read as "Douche"?
 
2006-02-05 02:02:36 PM  
TheRising:

"The whole history of science has been the gradual realization that events do not happen in an arbitrary manner, but that they reflect a certain underlying order, which may or may not be divinely inspired."

"Not only does God play dice, but... he sometimes throws them where they cannot be seen."

"Even if there is only one possible unified theory, it is just a set of rules and equations. What is it that breathes fire into the equations and makes a universe for them to describe?"


Bevets?
 
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