IT'S AN AIR RIFLE YOU TART!

/shocked it hasn't been referenced yet
//Ok, I didn't read very thoroughly I might be wrong
///it's happened before

"...He deserves Werner Herzog." - Robert Ebert

Treadwell, not only were you eaten by bears... you've been Herzogged!!!

But will Werner Herzog go back to managing the St. Louis Cardinals?

Treadwell's woman looks like David Spade.

/and a quick HI-YO! to Nocturne_98
//well played

Grizzly Man was an excellent movie and Herzog seems like a very cool guy. For all those saying "BB guns are nothing, blah blah..." the article doesn't specify what sort of air rifle it was. My general impression is the average air rifle in europe tends to be a pellet rifle and has more power because they have a harder time getting real guns. There are crappy BB guns like a Red Ryder with 250fps and there are .22 air rifles that fire at 1000+ fps, we don't know. In any case it hurt and he was bleeding and kept going. Five points for Werner.

At a seminar a student asked Herzog what training would be best to do, to learn how to be a great film maker.

Herzog said buy good boots, really good boots, and walk for year, don't work, don't stop, just walk as far as you can, meet as many people as you can.

john_frink

More about the infamous tape:

Jesus, that is probably the worst written website I've every encountered. Don't the back-country hippie idiots know about proper sentence construction?

RockIsDead: The biggest tease of that movie. Werner got to hear it but we didn't. He should have balled up and stuck it in.
Chuck Norris would have!

Maybe he didn't need suck a cheap gimick to satisfy the morbid curiousity of a few tards.

cwm137: It wasn't a cub. And why were the guys throwing rocks at it? They were trying to scare it away. It got too close to them because Treadwell had gotten the bear used to humans.


The point was... he disapproved of them throwing the rocks, but he stayed in the bushes. Brave brave Sir Timmy.

Its sad to keep hearing about grizzly man as its probably his weakest work, but is full of Herzog-esque comedy like the painful voiceovers he tosses in, the motor-mouth coroner, the headphones scene, etc. Some real quotes from the man:

Film is not the art of scholars, but of illiterates.

Everyone who makes films has to be an athlete to a certain degree because cinema does not come from abstract academic thinking; it comes from your knees and thighs.

Film is not analysis, it is the agitation of mind; cinema comes from the country fair and the circus, not from art and academicism.

Someone like Jean-Luc Godard is for me intellectual counterfeit money when compared to a good kung fu film.

Coincidences always happen if you keep your mind open, while storyboards remain the instruments of cowards who do not trust in their own imagination and who are slaves of a matrix... If you get used to planning your shots based solely on aesthetics, you are never that far from kitsch.

Your film is like your children. You might want a child with certain qualities, but you are never going to get the exact specification right. The film has a privelege to live its own life and develop its own character. To suppress this is dangerous. It is an approach that works the other way too: sometimes the footage has amazing qualities that you did not expect.

I make films to rid myself of pain, like ridding yourself of a nightmare.

I would travel down to Hell and wrestle a film away from the devil if it was necessary.

I do not want to go into general rules of what a filmmaker should do and how he should approach his work... I am not Moses on the mountain who proclaims the rules of procedure and what is sin and what is virtue.

[When faced with the jeering and hollering of the 1,500 booing patrons who despised his Lessons of Darkness at the Berlin Film Festival] "You are all wrong."

robolobo: Maybe he didn't need suck a cheap gimick to satisfy the morbid curiousity of a few tards.


Don't be naive. He included footage of the great Werner listening to the tape, zooming in occasionally on the face of the devastated ex-girlfriend, and then he told her to destroy the tape. Art is manipulation. Werner decided that he'd get more manipulation out of the tease than he would out of the actual audio, so that's the way he went. Nothing wrong with that, but also nothing noble about it.

If you wanted to look at one of the purposes of the documentary as being a warning against taking grizzly bears lightly, then including the tape would probably have done a fairly good job of discouraging Bambi-lovers from wanting to cuddle savage predators. So I mark Werner down for being coy about a terrible event.

nottheman: Someone like Jean-Luc Godard is for me intellectual counterfeit money when compared to a good kung fu film.

True.


I do not want to go into general rules of what a filmmaker should do and how he should approach his work... I am not Moses on the mountain who proclaims the rules of procedure and what is sin and what is virtue.

Even truer.


But I found the movie interesting. Treadwell was a cardboard character, but the cardboardiness was self-inflicted, so it was a true portrayal. That's almost always worthwhile.

Mor Pheus: I just gotta say that the dood in Grizzly Man was a farking Moran.

I just watched it last night and can't understand why he wasn't in an insane asylum. The guy was clearly a few sandwiches short.

Treadwell was cooking up another personna somewhat like the Crocodile Hunter but was laboring with a disability, Manic-Depressive disorder. The film includes all the classic symptoms like magical thinking, "I love the bears and the bears love me." There is the well known flight of ideas, when he goes on a prolonged tirade against National Park Service employees and is screaming profanities and of course his "I would die for the bears" sounds a little like he was looking to become the bear Jesus in some way. It's pretty difficult to tell how much of this was an act because when the girlfriend steps into the shot he perfunctorily tells her the set up is that he's alone in the woods and to maintain this fiction she can't be seen. The parents or a friend mentions he was on medication to control it but he quit taking the medication because he wanted the manic highs to continue. It may have been a combination of adrenaline highs from surviving every encounter and the manic highs that he was addicted to. Plus the prospect of fame and stardom which his friends also mention.

2006-02-05 11:47:45 AM Raw McKuen [TotalFark]

Here's the one movie of his I had to buy on DVD.

Going to watch Stroszek today.

Unfortunately not part of the Werner Herzog DVD box set I bought... probably because there's no Klaus Kinski in it.

My girlfriend started calling me 'Mr. Vanilla-Bear' after we watched it.

\Got nothing else

some trivia about him from imdb:

Werner Herzog invited editor Beate Mainka-Jellinghaus to the set to oversee continuity. Known to highly dislike Herzog's movies (with the exception of Auch Zwerge haben klein angefangen (1970)), she was so disgusted by the scenes that she started to signal the camera operator to stop shooting. Infuriated by this, Herzog threatened to hit her with a shovel.

When Bruno and Eva are driving to Railroad Flats, Herzog and the cameraman strapped themselves by their belts to the hood of the car while going down the freeway. They were stopped by police and avoided getting a ticket by telling the officer that they were just some "Kraut film students" and the officer let them go. The same officer stopped them again later that day for the same offense.

bobbette:

I think any but a die-hard Bambi-environmental-hippie will think that way from the movie.

Oh absolutely not, I am a die-hard Bambi-environmental-hippie, and I respect nature, which Treadwell absolutely did not.

Then the 'Bambi' part would eliminate you from that group. I included it to refer to the nuttier ones who insist on giving animals human emotions and characteristics.

I'm calling BS on this story, it don't smell right.

And all of you thought the Germans had gone soft after WWII. HA!

/HA! I say..

Back in the day, my neighborhood had a lot of bears in it. I live in the area of Long Beach by a bar called the Mine Shaft. Well, the bears would get all liquored up and rub their backs up against cars and lightposts. I have to admit, they were kind of cute at times but for the most part, they were pretty scarey and I wouldn't want to approach one.

They also seemed to be attracted to leather for some reason. Anyway, I think its best to just leave the bears alone.

Werner Herzog to the world:

"I told you I was hardcore."

Absolutely essential to success is staggering the growth of the cows.

robolobo:

Maybe he didn't need suck a cheap gimick to satisfy the morbid curiousity of a few tards.

Then why did HE listen to it?

knobmaker: He included footage of the great Werner listening to the tape,

Exactly. He was 'daddy' deciding what the 'kids' could listen to. Patronizingly arrogant.

ZOGGINATED!!

Tim Treadwell was a farking moron.

Werner Herzog is teh shiznit.

/also, I believe him to be of hard core...

/ripped off

Ok, I just watched the Grizzly Man movie and it was very entertaining. The Treadwell fella was highly disturbed.

BUT, Am I the only one that noticed (and this is only my opinion...)? I believe that Mr. Treadwell was a homosexual in denial. My "gaydar" was on high alert each time I watched him on camera. There is this one monologue that he gives about how much easier it would be if he were gay, "But I'm not! I love women!... That's my story".

At that point, I looked at my wife and said "Come on! He's clearly gay and in denial!" I believe his "girlfriends" were just good companions that covered as his beard. There is no doubt that he was in love with these women. I'm just guessing it wasn't in the same way that a straight man loves a woman.

Am I the only one that figured this out?

You sure aren't. When I first turned the show on, I heard his voice but couldn't see him on camera. I thought it was a woman's voice.

The dude was definitely as gay as a Britney Speark club remix.

Spears*

/yeesh

Herzog is great.....give him an OSCAR PLEASE!