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(Evening Standard)   Muslims stage cartoon protest in London. Trouble erupts when Pepe LePeau fails to toe the company line   ( ) divider line 331
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2006-02-03 07:18:07 PM  
You know, there are crazy fundies in every religion. The mature ones learn to ignore things that they might find offensive. The arsholes try to get up in everybody's business about it.

With that said, GIS for "Muhammad":
2006-02-03 07:19:51 PM  
I've seen awesome t-shirts for sale at cafepress already.

I'd buy one, but I'm afraid of being killed.
2006-02-03 07:29:47 PM  
Let me see if I've got this right
1) It is wrong to blame all Muslims for things like 9-11 and other acts of terrorism
2) It is okay for Muslims to vow death on all Danes, French, and people from whatever countries have printed these cartoons.
I'm so glad the world is becoming a more tolerant place.
2006-02-03 07:30:03 PM  
You know, somewhere back in history there was a time when the Christian religion was just as zealous and crazy. The crusades and the inquisition come to mind, but I'm sure there are other barbaric periods in history and other religions that my limited knowledge of history doesn't even know about (How we treated the American Indians and others throughout history, and even to this day, makes me sick).

I think if you look at the history of most religions , nations, cultures there is some point in time when they really needed the shiat kicked out of them (and some still do to this day).

This Islam religion or culture or whatever it is ( I don't care what they believe I only care about their actions ) really needs the shiat kicked out it now. I wish it did not cost lives to kick the shiat out of them, I wish we was doing it for grander reasons than oil but I hope we kick the shiat out of them.
2006-02-03 07:31:08 PM  
A few, a few, a few.
All we keep hearing is how it's just a 'few'.

BULLSHIAT, a farkin FEW.
2006-02-03 07:31:41 PM  
In muslim states they never publish cartoons that denigrate other religions, nope, never, not once.
2006-02-03 07:33:48 PM  
Let's see, muslims are pissed because we (the West) do what we like in our own countries, and we are pissed that they're telling us how to live our lives. The Americans are pissed because the Muslims apparently prefer their own severe way of life, and everytime we tell the muslims how to live their lives, they just get more violent (Al Qaeda, Hamas, Iraqi "insurgency").

I grew up in a household where my parents wouldn't divorce for my sake, and fought and screamed virtually everyday, but once they split up when I grew up they were so much happier. Maybe it's time for both sides to STOP GETTING IN EACH OTHERS' shiat.

But I'm not holding my breath. I think I'll buy a diesel car and fuel it with peanut oil. Solar panels, anyone?
2006-02-03 07:34:03 PM  
Wow, I am amazed at the increasing muslim-fury in the news.
If the muslims keep allowing themselves to be provoked in a insane fury, then there is gonna be some serious trouble.

As an American it is nice to see other countries stepping up to the plate and calling a spade a spade.

Maybe some of the terrorist sleeper cells in the US will head to Europe to avenge Mohammed.
2006-02-03 07:34:40 PM  
Priapulid: "It's tow the line, not toe. Muslim spelling?"

TOE is correct. It means to line up with your toes on the line (ie in good order like you are supposed to asa opposed to not toeing the line and lolly gagging around).

Wrong. Well, depends on the continent maybe? Brits tend to be better at spelling though....I'm sticking with Tow.

Damn, I'm totally wrong. Just looked it up and the Oxford agrees with you Priapa the rappa.

\has anyone ever lost a flame war against themselves before?
2006-02-03 07:39:07 PM  
Screw them all. This is why I'm not religious.

Allah and Jesus and all their dead holy men can come down from heaven and fight their own battles, if they're so powerful.

The fact that they haven't means they don't care and anything we do is fine, or more likely, THEY DON'T EXIST.

Organized religion is outdated and obsolete. Hopefully, the children of the future won't have to deal with this madness inspired by mental disease.
2006-02-03 07:39:27 PM  
The BBC news footage of this was quite funny. One Muslim shouted something rude at a copper who promptly called him over and gave him a stern talking-to like he was a naughty little boy. The fellow went off looking very chastened.
2006-02-03 07:40:54 PM  
RockIsDead: BULLSHIAT, a farkin FEW.

A few, then a few more, then a few more...

what I can't figure is why Muslim's have such thin skins when it comes to their faith.

Everything pisses them off.
2006-02-03 07:42:29 PM  
Mr Straw said: "There is freedom of speech, we all respect that, but there is not any obligation to insult or to be gratuitously inflammatory..."

I'm sorry, having thought about this for several days, I've come to the conclusion that there is just such an obligation in this case.

This is necessary to address the larger issue of how the "Global xxxxx" (network, economy, etc) is going to function.

The Muslim world is attempting to pass one of the first laws of our World Government-- "no blaspheming the Prophet" Before any World Government rules have been established. This is indicative of the flaws in the World Government approach-- it is being assembled in a haphazard fashion. The IMF and Free Trade organizations, World Banks, etc. are doing a decent job of building an Economic Regulation superstructure (world-wide SEC) but everyone wants to pretent that we aren't REALLY building a World Government, even though the need for one is already irreversible. How did the Muslim Countries even learn that Denmark had blasphemed? How can they boycott Denmark?

Does the Chinese govenment have the right to prevent criticism of itself? Does America have the right to control access to pornography? Does the German Government have the right to restrict Nazi symbolism? In a world-wide environment? How do we deal with non-state Special Interest Groups that wish to enforce their own agendas through fanaticism?
THAT is what this discussion needs to be about.
2006-02-03 07:46:12 PM  

thanks fer yer post. nice to see some brains on this here dipshiate-magnet of a website.
2006-02-03 07:46:33 PM  
WTF is wrong with these people? really. there is something wrong with these peopel for being so upset about this.
2006-02-03 07:47:01 PM  

RockIsDead: BULLSHIAT, a farkin FEW.
A few, then a few more, then a few more...
what I can't figure is why Muslim's have such thin skins when it comes to their faith.
Everything pisses them off.

They are brought up like that. And most schools in thier countries are religio-fanaticist schools (madrasas)
2006-02-03 07:47:30 PM  
The more they react to trolling the more irresistible it becomes to mock them. When I was at school there was a high-functioning spaz kid (some well-meaning but misguided attempt to integrate him into normal society) who used to fly into incredible foaming-at-the-mouth rages when taunted. This of course (children being so kind and understanding) led to him being persecuted with medieval cruelty by the entire school. So, Muslims, just pretend you're not bothered and eventually they'll get bored and pick on someone else. Like those Buddhists, arrogant pricks sitting around cross-legged and all serene and "I wouldn't hurt a fly". I'd like to slap Buddha rapidly on the head like Benny hill used to do to that little bald fella.
2006-02-03 07:49:31 PM  

well said
2006-02-03 07:50:09 PM  
"what I can't figure is why Muslim's have such thin skins when it comes to their faith.

Everything pisses them off."

Hate requires validation. Seems to be an odd human quirk. The more thin skinned they are the more reasons to justify the hate. Redneck, skinhead, racists operate at the same level. The more reasons you can find to blame someone else for your failure and misery the better you feel about yourself (and your god).
2006-02-03 07:50:23 PM  

thanks for bringing your discredited Marxist ideas into this thread

now go away
2006-02-03 07:59:01 PM  
Seems the 'nice' ones are finally speaking out.

Whouda thunk
2006-02-03 07:59:06 PM  
Death to Denmark, Death to France, Death to someone's underpants!
2006-02-03 07:59:23 PM  
Sloth_DC Can you marry someone of the same sex?

Ahhh. and now we get to the heart of it.

While America is still working toward a completely tolerant (I would not call it intolerant, in a polar sense) attitude toward homosexuality, it won't get you stoned to death by governmental decree, will it? Aside from that, there are several states where you can get married as same-sex couples (we have friends who are in same-sex marriages), and as with anything that has been engrained in a culture, it takes time to change. In America, change **is** being made for the better, even in the face of reactionary movements.

In fact, Israel is extremely open minded (more so than most European nations) toward homosexuals.

In a Muslim country, you face death just for having gay sex. Indeed, unless you have money like Michael Jackson (not saying he is), things have gotten far worse for gay people in the middle east.

So to sum up, your response was idiotic. Sorry to be so blunt, but you need to open your mind up a little bit ("Idiologits" exist at every political extreme, and sadly, do not consider fact, or practicality when forming their opinions or rebuttals, according to recent scientific studies) and accept the truth.... in a still imperfect America, like many other places, there is at least the momentum for positive change; in the middle east, so long as misogonystic despots rule using the word of Imams to keep the population's anger focused on "infidels" that change will NEVER happen.
2006-02-03 08:03:14 PM  
from Yahoo:

In Damascus, Syria, entrances to the Al-Murabit mosque were strewn with Danish, Israeli and American flags so worshippers could trample them as they entered. Banners outside called for a boycott of Danish, European and U.S. products "until Denmark is brought to its knees, regretting this farce of freedom of expression."

Welcome Denmark! Israel and the USA welcome you to the "countries despised by the Muslims Club!" May your flag be burned and your citizens called out for death with every public gathering!

2006-02-03 08:04:19 PM  
"Does America have the right to control access to pornography?"
Why yes, of course we do. It's that whole by the people for the people clause thingy;
If the people don't want porn easily accessible then thats the way our laws go. Same with alcohol or anything else that has a tendancy to cause problems within the society. Of course, making it completely illegal would be against that whole freedom thing we've got going here. But the society has to make some rules to protect itself.
2006-02-03 08:08:22 PM  
wingsofdespair: Ahh Michelle Malkin. Finally a hittable political commentator. And quite so.

//I'd pund-it!
2006-02-03 08:09:41 PM
Who knew?
2006-02-03 08:11:29 PM  
RDanger: "Does America have the right to control access to pornography?"
Why yes, of course we do. It's that whole by the people for the people clause thingy;
If the people don't want porn easily accessible then thats the way our laws go. Same with alcohol or anything else that has a tendancy to cause problems within the society.

We're discussing the ability of one nation or group to impose its will on the world. How, exactly, does your rant apply to this discussion? Are you asserting a right of the US to control how pornography is available in every other country in the world? The US federal government doesn't even have the authority to apply such a policy internally, let alone externally.
2006-02-03 08:12:22 PM  
I think the muslims and the Chinese should get into a big fight. The Chinese wouldn't put up with any shiat, thats for sure. Once the white mans time is done, the AZN's will get those Muslims
2006-02-03 08:15:00 PM  
farking pussies, Im sick of these farking muslims, GET OVER YOURSELVES ALREADY.

2006-02-03 08:15:40 PM  
Oh, just responding to a somewhat off topic rant that OhioKnight sent out, forgot to put the name in there.
2006-02-03 08:19:36 PM  

yep thats why Gay's supporting "understand the terrorists" groups confuse me
/gays should want them to die 24/7
2006-02-03 08:26:58 PM  
No_One_Special: The shinola is in the other can...
2006-02-03 08:27:18 PM  
Religion = cult. Period.

The degree of danger of that cult is directly proportional to how intolerant the teachings are in defense of the cult's dogma.

Back in the day, Christianity was farking dangerous. I mean like, they'd kill ya for not believing or questioning the "holy" man with the big white hat.

Now it's the wacky Muslims' turn. (Moderates, this doesn't mean you.)

/part accurate, part drunken logic.
//what is up with the hats? every psycho religion has 'em.
///proof that garden variety Christianity has evolved... no hats on the leaders!
2006-02-03 08:34:15 PM  

Back in the day, Christianity was farking dangerous. I mean like, they'd kill ya for not believing or questioning the "holy" man with the big white hat.

Cut the equivalence garbage already.

'Back in the day', sure , back when there were barely any printed books, much less tv, radio, much less the farkin INTERNET.

The world and religions that COULD grew with the modernization of the planet.

Any group still stuck in the dark ages given all the access to information today either is INCAPABLE of moving on or DOESN'T WANT TO.
2006-02-03 08:41:08 PM  
Way to live up to the caricature, ya goofs.
2006-02-03 08:43:55 PM  
I fully support freedom of the press.

We have the right to publish offensive cartoons, but we have a responsibility to be sensitive to others. I totally understand why Muslims are outraged, but the violence and riots are too much. The cartoons were published deliberately to offend Muslims, because the Euros have always been deeply racist. You got a problem with this pic? Suck my balls.

//likes black folks
///deliberately offensive
2006-02-03 08:50:25 PM  
Crap. I got all heated and self-righteous in my previous post and fark replaced the "N" word in my image link. The offensive pic is this:

Remove __ in link.

My apologies to blacks but I couldn't find a clearly offensive pic about white people that would illustrate my point.
2006-02-03 08:56:40 PM  
I'd never thought I would like to see so much anger directed towards a certain group of people, but now I must say I feel good to see so many of you expressing your disgust with the muslim world. I share it for obvious reasons. I won't say I feel good about feeling good about it, but I do. Unfortunately many government representatives here in the EU are still trying to appease these medieval monkeys. A shame, really.

Maybe they are fearing the large muslim populations that lives here in our midst, that some say where never welcomed and therefore have the right to run amok and burn cars or just commit crimes in general. This is not true but is becoming more and more accurate every day this shiat goes on. And with this shiat I don't just mean this latest craze, I am talking about ALL crappy things muslims do in the name of their religion.

I know I sound like a racist a-hole for saying this, and I don't like to say it, but I can be silent no longer. There must be a way we can purge our societies from this cancer while letting the people who really want and need to get away from the mullas and muftis and what-have-you get a good life in the west. Building mosques in European countries is NOT a way forward, we should let Europe remain a free region, free from that sort of crap.

I am almost daily discussing this with 2 of my best friends who happens to be of the muslim vareity and they share my fear that it will soon be impossible for muslims or even dark-skinned people to live here in peace because the people of Europe will kick into let's-kill-the-muslims mode and do what we do so well when properly pissed off. I hate and despise mob-mentality, muslim or otherwise, but as it is going now it is only a matter of time before the shiat will litteray hit the fan.

Some of you say that not all muslims are bad like this and I know this to be true. But the bad ones need to be kicked out of Europe pronto. Let us use the money we now are pissing away on so called "aid" to palestinians and other nasty people and instead buy milk and other products from ARLA food. I bought 8 liters of milk today, btw ;).

2006-02-03 09:03:12 PM  
Boinkers: I hate and despise mob-mentality, muslim or otherwise, but as it is going now it is only a matter of time before the shiat will litteray hit the fan.

I honestly fear what might happen if there's another 9/11-scale attack in the US.

I think we all went a bit nuts right after the first one - I'll admit to having a few thoughts I'm not proud of. I can only imagine what people in the USA were thinking.

If it happens again the response might be terrible.
2006-02-03 09:06:52 PM  
Am I the only one pissed off that our State Department isn't supporting Denmark on this 110 farking percent?

To hell with the ragheads.
2006-02-03 09:09:44 PM  
'Back in the day', sure , back when there were barely any printed books, much less TV, radio, much less the farkin INTERNET.

Does it really matter ? It was no more right back then than it is now. That they didn't have TV and books does not excuse inflicting human suffering on the level they did, they needed put in their place back then and this group of nuts needs to be put in their place today. What the Christians did was inexcusable , what this group is doing is inexcusable.

I seriously doubt that most of what happened back in the day had much to do with religion and more to do with some resources, money and/or power... very much like today only the religious nuts aren't the superpower this time. Same story different millenium / players.
2006-02-03 09:17:58 PM

Lighten up, Mohammed!!
2006-02-03 09:23:56 PM  

No, you missed the point of my rant.

The porn example was a specific-- Some people in the US have been trying to pass laws to control porn access on the internet. The only way those laws would be meaningful would be if they applied to the entire world.

The issue is, do Muslims have the right to outlaw blasphemy against the Prophet in Denmark?

Does the US have the right to require porn regulation in Holland?

Does the Chinese government have the right to outlaw criticism of itself in Belgium?

All the same issue.
2006-02-03 09:47:54 PM  
inconnu - why do you call them ragheads?
2006-02-03 09:55:52 PM

....waiting for a massive Christian riot! People? Hello!?
2006-02-03 09:58:34 PM  
Johhny Rocket..I agree that all other cultures and religions should conform to what we find funny and acceptable.
2006-02-03 09:58:49 PM  
faethe: Pretty obvious Britain is taking the 'high road'.

I'm not sure it's about taking the high road. It's simply the truth, no-one involved in this comes out looking good. The cartoonist drew those images knowing that they would cause offence, gratuitous offence was his reason for drawing them. I don't need to explain to anyone why the rioters across the muslim world are wrong to behave that way. I'm not a big fan of Jack Straw, but I think that he took the right approach about this. Sometimes both sides are wrong and he was right to say so.
2006-02-03 10:02:18 PM  
This is gonna be trouble. With that stuff in AU on the beach and that France stuff, now this. If the media sees how stirred up these guys get, they are just going to keep poking the anthill until something gets stirred up.
2006-02-03 10:05:25 PM  
DaSwankOne: I knew two Half-Jews could see eye-to-eye. Agreed.

Had to leave...just got back and saw your reply. LOL.
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