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2006-02-03 08:52:24 AM  
those burned american "civillians" he referred to were ex Army SF and Navy seals employed by Blackwater Security - a SOF outfit makig money providing top-notch personal/asset protection for non-military clients in Iraq.


Other than that, I think he's right on the money. America, though not for lack of trying, hasn't come anywhere near cornering the market in terms of hypocrisy or brutality. The Muslim world is no more rational, fair, or righteous than the Christian, Jewish or secular. I do think the west needs to stop coddling religious extremists of all denominations, cause there a lot of crazy jews, jesus freaks, and jihadis out there.


piss me the fark off, that's what that is...
 
2006-02-03 08:59:31 AM  
boortz is a genius.
 
2006-02-03 09:07:45 AM  
Islamic writer Salman Rushdie wrote of these silent Muslims in a New York Times article three years ago. "As their ancient, deeply civilized culture of love, art and philosophical reflection is hijacked by paranoiacs, racists, liars, male supremacists, tyrants, fanatics and violence junkies, why are they not screaming?"
Very cool quote. Yes, most Muslims do not participate in terrorist activities, but
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
 
2006-02-03 09:11:25 AM  
I like Rushdie's question. "Where are the silent ones?" I believe that can be attributed to Americans as well.


I'll tell you where we are, Mr. Rushdie. We all read 1984. Getting publicly outraged gets you nowhere,except dead, in jail, living in exile, or publicly humiliated and unemployable. I certainly don't want a rat cage strapped to my head. We're just waiting for the pigs to get overconfident (happening right now), and then do a little housecleaning.


Or maybe we've already moved. Like the millions of "silent" muslims spread all over the west.
 
2006-02-03 09:12:26 AM  
2006-02-03 08:52:24 AM werkbot [TotalFark]: those burned american "civillians" he referred to were ex Army SF and Navy seals employed by Blackwater Security - a SOF outfit makig money providing top-notch personal/asset protection for non-military clients in Iraq. Other than that, I think he's right on the money.

In other words...civilians. So he's on-the-money all the way around.

What drives me up a tree is that if you want to live on this planet and keep on herding goats as the world plunges deep into the information age, you CAN go ahead and do that. Western civilization has lots of capacity to get all Starfleet Prime-Directive and let each culture live according to the way the people there want to live. But there's this artificial need for "same-ness," this sense that one side has to win and one side has to lose. It's not a natural development from the two cultures being different, it's been generated by someone. And I don't see the western civilization generating it. Islamic whackos blocking a the exit to a schoolhouse that is on fire, they seem to be much more culpable.
 
2006-02-03 09:41:03 AM  
mkfreeberg---

It's called jealousy. Jealousy that stems from ineptitude. As Matt Damon's character says in Syriana, "You want to know what the real business world thinks of you people? That 100 tears ago you were out here in the desert swatting flies and chopping each other's heads off and in another 100 years that's exactly where you'll be."

I grew up in Saudi Arabia. My family worked for an oil company. Well it's an oil company but they were also responsible for the design and production of desalinisation plants and other infrastructure.

Every few years the Arabs would ask the Americans to leave. "OK OK so you build entire system for us and we nenver paid attention while you tell us how to work it. You go now, big buddy." And we would. and within 3 months, the entire system would collapse and they would beg BEG for all westerners to return because they were ruined. Sometimes they would double your salary just to get you back. Even if you were merely a middle school teacher.

Those people don't know what they are doing. And there is no way-and I mean EVER--that a bunch of masked men who wear pajamas, play on the jungle gym, and seem to think that wasting ammo on live television is intimidating are going to rule the world. These bastards can't even make a decent wristwatch.
 
2006-02-03 09:59:41 AM  
Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No Muslim outrage.

That's where I stopped reading. There were plenty of Muslims condemning the attacks. Apparently, Boortz was too busy hating Muslims to notice.

And I'd love to see what would happen if the LA Times or some such paper ran a cartoon where Jesus was shooting people with an M-16.
 
2006-02-03 10:10:16 AM  
2006-02-03 09:41:03 AM thamike [TotalFark]: And there is no way-and I mean EVER--that a bunch of masked men who wear pajamas, play on the jungle gym, and seem to think that wasting ammo on live television is intimidating are going to rule the world. These bastards can't even make a decent wristwatch.

They make up for their lack of skill by intimidating & coercing & threatening those who have the skills. You wouldn't try to assert that the fire-breathing mullahs were actually milking the goats during all those centuries, would you? When you have an agricultural society, you have stratification. Classes of workers and classes of rulers. You get rid of the stratification when you get rid of the agricultural society; keep the agricultural society, you keep the stratification. It has always been that way. They have history on their side.

Where they do NOT have history on their side, is this insistence that the human condition should run BACKWARDS, and get rid of the industrio-technological society, and a data processing society, and go back to an agricultural one. That's a battle they cannot win, and that is where I agree with you. But you got to admit, in the "threaten people to get what I want" role they've come an awfully long way.

2006-02-03 09:59:41 AM Action Replay Nick [TotalFark]: There were plenty of Muslims condemning the attacks. Apparently, Boortz was too busy hating Muslims to notice.

Is there ANY possibility that Boortz' point still stands?

Note, I'm not appealing to your better judgment, it's a test. And it's not an intelligence test. It's a sanity test.

Proceed.
 
2006-02-03 10:21:01 AM  
mkfreeberg
Is there ANY possibility that Boortz' point still stands?

No, he doesn't have a point.

This is what (deeply?) religious people do. It's the same thing as asking why Christians who protest against TV shows like "Book of Daniel" don't protest Fred Phelps.

Should they? Probably, but that's not the way it works and using a Muslim example to criticize Muslims exclusively is incredibly disingenuous of Boortz.
 
2006-02-03 10:34:02 AM  
I'm glad that the kid that would eat bugs for a nickel could find his niche in this world for his ribald brand of provocative jibber-jabber.

He has still got an opinion, and hes not afraid to share it, even if that opinion happens to be limited to ten-thousand slight variations of Youre a stupid poopy-face.
 
2006-02-03 10:34:22 AM  
When do they take to the streets to express their outrage at the radicals who are making their religion the object of worldwide hatred and ridicule?

My guess would be shortly after they can be assured that they and their entire family won't be beheaded for speaking out against the clerics.

Maybe we could give them a good start by refusing to coddle Saudi Arabia and any other nation that currently gets a free pass because they're strategically important.
 
2006-02-03 10:37:00 AM  
Cool. My second greenlight.
 
2006-02-03 10:43:11 AM  
2006-02-03 10:34:02 AM brap [TotalFark]: He has still got an opinion, and hes not afraid to share it, even if that opinion happens to be limited to ten-thousand slight variations of Youre a stupid poopy-face.

...unlike most of the people on FARK.

2006-02-03 10:21:01 AM Action Replay Nick [TotalFark]: No, he doesn't have a point. This is what (deeply?) religious people do.

Yeah, and it's pretty thick of them when their "religion" keeps them from seeing patterns that are spelled out right in front of their faces.

/Subtle
 
2006-02-03 10:56:11 AM  
For the record, I'm not a big fan of Boortz. I scroll right past the Bush apologism. His Fair Tax plan sounds intriguing, but I'm hardly the economist so I have no idea how effective it would be. I check out his website mainly for his Farkish links that he has on the bottom. The muslim outrage bit really struck me because it's something that has been troubled me for some time. Yes, muslims spoke out condemning the 9/11 attacks, but the real anger only surfaces over a cartoon, or over a book that may or may not have been flushed down a toilet.

The wife of one of my best friends is a muslim from Indonesia. She is a sweet, friendly person and I have nothing against her. However, she sees a clip of masked terrorists sawing the head off of Nick Berg while screaming "Allahu Ackbar" while Nick dies a painful, gurgling death, it doesn't bother her. She rewatches the clip where the name of the Muslim God is invoked to celebrate death, pain and horror and she doesn't flinch. On the other hand, she watches Team America. She gets riled over the fact that "Muhommed" and "Allah" are invoked in mock-Arabic gibberish. She stormed out of the room saying, "I'm not watching this farking movie."

It's kinda touchy because she's the wife of a friend, but I can't help but notice how she took more offense to a couple of jokers and their puppet movie than a pack of masked thugs sawing some guy's head off. And that is symptomatic of what I see with the muslim community at large. Their religion has been highjacked by the extremists. They don't like it but their outrage only truly surfaces when some westerner does somethng that is an affront to their religion.

Action Replay Nick

B-b-but the Chritians....

Yes, there a lot of Christians who are equally hypocritical. They'll get outraged over The Book of Daniel or Last Temptaion of Christ, but keep mum over Fred Phelps and Pat Robertson. But lets talk both numbers and actions. I don't see thousands of bible thumpers in Alabama taking to the streets, calling for Aidan Quinn's head. I don't see masked gunman surrounding the NBC office building. I see a lot of intolerant people bellowing, but otherwise getting on with their lives.
 
2006-02-03 11:17:27 AM  
But lets talk both numbers and actions [and impact on the world community]

There. I thought that sentence needed a little more oomph to it.

B-b-but the Chri[s]tians....

Sigh. I really do wish these forums allowed us to edit our posts.
 
2006-02-03 11:18:25 AM  
Before this goes any further into name-calling and blanket character assasination, I would just like it to go on record that I am head-to-toe rubber, and you are in fact, glue.
 
2006-02-03 11:21:17 AM  
I used to be a fan of Boortz but back around 2002 (maybe it was 9/12/2001), he became just another Bush-apologist, right-wing talk-radio guy. It's really sad; he used to be something of a voice of reason and he is still entertaining on a personal level but I've lost all respect for him now. For him to claim to still be a libertarian is a joke - he has become just another Hannity-Limbaugh-ORielly Republi-tard wannabee. I tend to believe that he was told by his syndicators that if he wanted to stay in the big-time, he'd better get with the Fox-news program. And he sure did.
 
2006-02-03 11:23:08 AM  
brap

Before this goes any further into name-calling and blanket character assasination, I would just like it to go on record that I am head-to-toe rubber, and you are in fact, glue.


Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me.
 
2006-02-03 11:23:52 AM  
Like clockwork, just as soon as something about muslim extremists comes up, some farkers immediately start saying "Yea, but the christians are just as bad." It never fails.
 
2006-02-03 11:45:43 AM  
I don't feel the need to apologize for Pat Robertson, because apart from calling ourselves Christian, we have very little in common. I personally choose to ignore the guy and avoid stupid discussions about his merits.

Maybe what we have here are large groups of Muslims, admittedly less "connected" than most of the Judeo-Christian West, who don't see any reason to condemn something they feel is very distant from their own beliefs. Wouldn't it be a little ethnocentric to assume that a single Muslim leader (or key group of them) should speak out against this stuff regularly?

Every time someone kills an abortion doctor in the name of God, society seems to accept that as lunatic fringe behavior that needs no formal "Christian" condemnation. Now multiply that assassin by several million times--but with less education and more susceptible to radical ideology--and you have a mini-movement that still comes across as nutty to the rational members of society. Maybe the "silent" Muslims don't feel compelled to in any way associate themselves with those nuts.
 
2006-02-03 11:51:33 AM  
note: If the above comes across as hard-leftist apologist crap, I apologize. It is genuine curiosity.
 
2006-02-03 12:03:50 PM  
Neil Boortz is a tool of the first order.

Yes, the Muslims are hypocritical. Yes, the Christians are hypocritical. Yes, the freakin' BUDDHISTS are probably hypocritical, but what's even MORE hypocritical is to pretend that the Muslims are the ONLY ones who have selective outrage.
 
2006-02-03 12:04:22 PM  
szmike: Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me.

Unless those words are carved into the side of a stick. Then they could hurt a lot.
 
2006-02-03 12:04:26 PM  
Boortz expresses selective outrage only at Muslims. Hypocrite much?
 
2006-02-03 12:04:36 PM  
The gift shop is out of Boortz license plates.
 
2006-02-03 12:06:05 PM  
"That's where I stopped reading. There were plenty of Muslims condemning the attacks."

Sure. But there was nothing coming even close to the outrage at hand right now. There were no demonstrations by moderate muslims against extremists using their religion to justify terror.
 
2006-02-03 12:06:20 PM  
Am I expected to go out and protest every time some asshat who comes from a similar demographic as myself does something stupid?

Because if I am I didnt get the memo, sorry...
 
2006-02-03 12:07:12 PM  
mkfreeberg: n other words...civilians. So he's on-the-money all the way around.

No, in other words: mercenaries.
 
2006-02-03 12:07:33 PM  
szmike

I don't see thousands of bible thumpers in Alabama taking to the streets, calling for Aidan Quinn's head. I don't see masked gunman surrounding the NBC office building. I see a lot of intolerant people bellowing, but otherwise getting on with their lives.

The religion of blovating strike again.
 
2006-02-03 12:07:36 PM  
Hey you! Get your underwear off your head! Yer in merica now.
 
2006-02-03 12:08:14 PM  
Some of you are of track. This isn't about christians, buddist taoist etc...it is about the Muslims.

Aren't you the same people who biatch about the "but Clinton got a BJ" retort?

//Just saying it.
 
2006-02-03 12:08:15 PM  
This freakin'"Muslim Outrage" meme was getting old last year. Now it's just silly.
 
2006-02-03 12:08:21 PM  
Action Replay Nick:
That's where I stopped reading. There were plenty of Muslims condemning the attacks. Apparently, Boortz was too busy hating Muslims to notice.

Maybe I missed a lot of the footage, but I don't recall anything like what I've witnessed because of these cartoons. Or because of the Abu Ghraib scandal. There were some relatively quiet condemnations by moderate Muslims, but why didn't we see the outrage we see now?

And I'd love to see what would happen if the LA Times or some such paper ran a cartoon where Jesus was shooting people with an M-16.

You can be pretty sure that you wouldn't have Americans wrapping their heads and faces in scarves and storming the offices with automatic weapons.

On a related note, I know it's been said a million times, but if these people are so determined in their will and confident in their righteousness, why do they always cover their faces?
 
2006-02-03 12:08:21 PM  
But this isn't over some huge issue. Political cartoons have taken aim at every demographic in the US, but no one is threatening to kidnap or murder anyone. You can't even begin to count how many cartoons in Newsweek show GW as an idiot, but no one from the GOP is threatening to kill anyone. Pat Robertson is an idiot. I lean to the right just as much as anyone, but you have to understand that satire is just satire.
 
2006-02-03 12:08:49 PM  
Where's the American outrage over the Iraqi, Afghani and Pakistani civilians we're killing everyday? Oh right, that outrage is un-American and it lends support to the terrorists. That's TOTALLY different.
 
2006-02-03 12:08:51 PM  
Boortz is a bigoted idiot.

Where's the Pentecostal outrage Neil, you retard? You can't find any Pentecostal outrage, so Pentecostals obviously support terror.
 
2006-02-03 12:10:23 PM  
"And I'd love to see what would happen if the LA Times or some such paper ran a cartoon where Jesus was shooting people with an M-16."

I say go ahead, free speech. Do I like it, no, but I won't go shooting and blowing up people because I'm upset about it.
 
2006-02-03 12:10:36 PM  
mkfreeberg

Yeah, and it's pretty thick of them when their "religion"

Stopped reading there. I realize that your "religion" is worship of the false prophets hedonism, capitalism, and manmon, but quit being an asshat.
 
2006-02-03 12:10:49 PM  
You mean, religious people are logically inconsistent? NO!, NO!, that just can't be....
 
2006-02-03 12:12:10 PM  
absolutelychecken:
Where's the American outrage over the Iraqi, Afghani and Pakistani civilians we're killing everyday? Oh right, that outrage is un-American and it lends support to the terrorists. That's TOTALLY different.

Uh, there is a lot of outrage and there has been for years. The difference is that Americans don't display their outrage by killing innocent people.

moops:
Where's the Pentecostal outrage Neil, you retard? You can't find any Pentecostal outrage, so Pentecostals obviously support terror.

I think maybe you missed the point.
 
2006-02-03 12:12:14 PM  
See, he could have a somewhat valid point if he wasn't such a retard about it. Saying that there was "no muslim outrage" after 9-11 is total bullshiat. I think the "muslims" who are protesting the cartoon are retarded, and I think Boortz is too.


On a related cartoon note
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_c​ontent_i d=1001956576

Seems like the pentagon is whiney about cartoons in a similar manner to the "muslims"....
 
2006-02-03 12:12:19 PM  
a) any image of the prophet muhammed is blasphemy (sp?): muslims don't allow idolatry and also worry about misrepresentation. how would you "christians" feel if the new york times published a cartoon with jesus raping a baby? with all your bullshiat about how others need "tolerance," most of you still get livid when someone talks about how jesus couldn't have been white. dumbasses.
b) MUSLIMS AREN'T ALIENS. THEY'RE NOT CRAZY. THEY JUST DON'T HAPPEN TO BE EXACTLY LIKE YOU.
articles like this are so racist.

/morons.
 
2006-02-03 12:12:28 PM  
i love how all the muslim apologists and relativists use the oklahoma city bombing and abortion doctor murders as equivalence. very selective, and missing the point that christians rarely blow shiat up, while muslims blow up innocents nearly every day. not to mention they will readily kill just for a perceived slight.
read SZMIKE's post above- VERY telling.

as boortz points out, there are 125 armed conflicts going on now, and ALL of them involve muslims.
love him or hate him- he is dead on on this one.
 
2006-02-03 12:12:40 PM  
moops: Where's the Pentecostal outrage Neil, you retard? You can't find any Pentecostal outrage, so Pentecostals obviously support terror.

So, extremist Pentecostals blow up innocent women and children, and there's no pentecostal outrage?

Heavens no!
 
2006-02-03 12:13:01 PM  
Tyee

Some of you are of track. This isn't about christians, buddist taoist etc...it is about the Muslims.

No. "This" is about a bunch of no talent assclown right wingers getting upset that people of their faith aren't organized enough to hold mass protests. The most political that most Christians get is to light a candle every year on the anniversary of Roe.
 
2006-02-03 12:13:25 PM  
I think I finally figured it out: Islam needs to grow up. Yes, Christians went through the same crap (the Crusades, anyone?), and now it's time for Islam to grow up as well. They need to get past the "we're special" part.

I have news for them: religion doesn't make you special, it makes you religious.

/it's just a damn cartoon, deal with it.
//I wouldn't mind seeing more Book of Daniel, it was cool
///I'd also like to see that Jesus with the M-16 cartoon too
////slashies rule, yo
 
2006-02-03 12:13:31 PM  
the_great_below
There were no demonstrations by moderate muslims against extremists using their religion to justify terror.

Because demonstrations are not the tools of reasonable people.

Like John Stewart says, it's hard to get people to take to the streets shouting "Be reasonable!"


How would you like your Muslim Outrage presented? What criteria have you set? What constituted 'outrage'?
 
2006-02-03 12:13:46 PM  
BUILDINGSEVEN

muslim is NOT A RACE!

save that card for an appropriate time, jackass.
 
2006-02-03 12:13:54 PM  
Here comes the "my fat ugly girlfriend is more beautiful than your fat ugly girlfriend" debate that is the sad state of American talking-point politics these days. Let's watch!
 
2006-02-03 12:14:09 PM  
You Will stop this Infidel talk or I will do it!
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