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(ABC)   With Super Bowl looming, media discovers Detroit is America's poorest big city, and what the hell happened to the stereo in their rental car?   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 169
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2006-01-30 08:09:11 PM  
Ma Kelly: The Lower East Side. This really sucks.


/Johnny Dangerously
 
2006-01-30 08:13:16 PM  
Or that limo lovin' School Board

For those of you playing at home, Aiiee is complaining about a scandal involving the Detroit school baord 25 YEARS AGO.

You gotta get some new schtick, missy.
 
2006-01-30 08:16:27 PM  
saint paul: You gotta get some new schtick, missy.

Well girlfriend, it's still going on as of a couple of years ago. I quit watching since then.

/wonder's how saint paul does the ascii sexing thing
 
2006-01-30 08:16:41 PM  
Let's give Detroit 20 more years. (See New York City, for example)

/Been to the airport in Detroit, that's all.
 
2006-01-30 08:18:00 PM  
People that hate Detroit = racist
People that love Detroit = denial

/Never been to Detroit, but I have been to Cleveland, and most of you say Detroit is much worse
 
2006-01-30 08:18:06 PM  
A different, not so biased, tour of the "Ruins of Detroit". Pretty nice, gives a little history on some of the building and such. Link has been around, probably posted here many times in the varied hate on detroit posts ;)

http://detroityes.com/home.htm

The Fabulous Ruins of Detroit
 
2006-01-30 08:19:46 PM  
CtrlAltDelete

shiat, Little Italy has better drugs anyway.

Of course. You gotta have some of Corbo's Tasty Tiramisu when you get the munchies.

I did all my waiting and bartending in Columbus, but the waiters and cooks allways had the best drugs there.

/Have to sign off soon but nice to meet a fellow Clevelander
 
2006-01-30 08:21:58 PM  
I still love my Detroit.
 
2006-01-30 08:22:35 PM  
TurnerBrown: You gotta have some of Corbo's Tasty Tiramisu when you get the munchies.

Corbo's just opened that new club across the street from where I used to live (above Mama Santas Pizza) and man, you can just SMELL it ;) Not as much as in Coventry, but... yeah.
 
2006-01-30 08:22:43 PM  
wonder's how saint paul does the ascii sexing thing

I assumed you were a woman because your posts are strikingly similar to the discussions overheard at my grandmother's bridge club. "That Coleman Young. He was so awful. And the limos for the school board!"

And, seriously, the limo scandal died with the limos themselves in the mid 1980s.
 
2006-01-30 08:25:06 PM  
2006-01-30 07:25:02 PM MadMike5200

Perhaps you could credit the ESPN writer who wrote that rather than posting it as though you were the writer.

Here's the original(about 2/3 of the way down):
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=klosterman/blog
 
2006-01-30 08:28:10 PM  
saint paul: wonder's how saint paul does the ascii sexing thing

I assumed you were a woman because your posts are strikingly similar to the discussions overheard at my grandmother's bridge club. "That Coleman Young. He was so awful. And the limos for the school board!"

And, seriously, the limo scandal died with the limos themselves in the mid 1980s.



Man I hope you can tell men from women better than you cite 'facts'. From the Mackinac Center for Public Policy website:

According to state records obtained by Michigan Privatization Report, the last time the Detroit Public Schools reported chauffeur expenses was in fiscal year 1993-94. In each year since, the Detroit school district has claimed that it spent "0" on chauffeur services, even though it has actually spent thousands.

According to Lynn Metty, legal counsel for the Detroit Public Schools, David Snead, the former general superintendent, had persuaded state officials to accept that his driver was not a "chauffeur," but a "security officer." This matter of semantics has so far allowed the district to avoid the nearly $60,000 penaltyeven despite the continued use of this "security officer" service by interim Superintendent Eddie Green.
 
2006-01-30 08:29:27 PM  
2006-01-30 06:52:37 PM mutt

Why Detroit is the anus of the universe.
clicky


What an objective article/compilation. That was a literary masterpiece.

/done calling people out
//who pissed in my cornflakes?
 
2006-01-30 08:33:48 PM  
Man I hope you can tell men from women better than you cite 'facts'

And I hope you can tell the difference between one driver for one Superintendent of Schools and 12 drivers for 12 part-time school board members.

That the Superintendent deserves a driver is debatable. But that's a different discussion from your assertion that the entire school board had drivers just a few years ago.
 
2006-01-30 08:36:46 PM  
kurfu

No it's sad that whenver race is discussed people tend to ignore the poverty issue (which usually equals a lack of education which usually leads to crime, drug use etc.). Seems to me that when non-whites are given chances at education they do well be it they were lucky enough to not to be born into poverty such as myself or where born into poverty but through some fortunate circumstances were able to get a good education anyways despite the uphill battle.

I mean heck, look those in Africa/other Arab states who get a chance to go to Europe and get educated. Then again I guess like myself they must have some sort of genetic defect that allows them to be smart. I didn't accuse anyone of being racist but it really does piss me off in this (especially in this country) how people ignore the circumstances that's right in front of them in efforts to group a bunch of people as being dumb b/c their skin pigmentation is darker.

It's like people complaining about a mosquito problem (crime etc.) but ignoring the stagnant conditions that created those mosquitos (like it or not the BS of the past that started the poverty cycle for a segment of families in this country). Horrible analogy but you get the point...I assume. I mean go to eastern European countries (or any other country for that matter) where there aren't black/brown people and you see similar conditions. Many a poor family who can trace the poverty back a few generations. This poverty created b/c their family had the unfortunate circumstance of being a part of the undesirable group in the country to begin with. Lack of education which leads to crime, drugs, prostitution etc, living in bombed out buildings with trash everywhere etc.

But I'm through discussing this as most good natured people already know what I'm talking about and know it's a social issue, not the issue of being a certain way b/c of how dark or light you are. Those who continue to ignore this fact can say what they want but most know what angle you're coming from.

/know go along and continue to play somewhat nice w/o me :)
//am sad to say I got duped by the site kurfu posted as well
///really really sad...I definitely should've caught on quicker
 
2006-01-30 08:39:39 PM  
mutt

Why Detroit is the anus of the universe.

That is incredibly outdated and doesn't describe the Detroit music scene today at all.

/I was on the wrestling team with one of the guys from Getaway Cruiser
//Yeah, knowing a one-hit wonder
 
2006-01-30 08:41:12 PM  
saint paul: nd I hope you can tell the difference between one driver for one Superintendent of Schools and 12 drivers for 12 part-time school board members.

That the Superintendent deserves a driver is debatable. But that's a different discussion from your assertion that the entire school board had drivers just a few years ago.



To be honest, I hadn't been following the story, and I wasn't sure how much of the School Board ( The Superintendant is a member isn't he?) was involved.

And notice how I didn't bring up the Kwame's not/Kwame's Lincoln Navigator thingie. Given that he accepted denied the purpose of the city paid-for car a couple times, you can understand my confusion.
 
2006-01-30 08:54:44 PM  
 
2006-01-30 09:05:36 PM  
To be honest, I hadn't been following the story, and I wasn't sure how much of the School Board ( The Superintendant is a member isn't he?) was involved.

And yet you posted it with authority just the same. And, no, the Superintendent of Schools is not a member of the School Board. In case you missed 7th grade civics, school boards are elected. The Board, in turn, hires a Superintendent.

I'm shocked you've heard of Kwame Kilpatrick, since your knowledge of Detroit appears to end in 1983.
 
2006-01-30 09:11:29 PM  
mtylerjr
East Palo Alto, Ca.
(Not as big. But worse)


Little Nairobi, I remember it.

/Actual place name
 
2006-01-30 09:29:06 PM  
Detroit: Where the weak are killed and eaten.
 
2006-01-30 09:30:20 PM  
Why do I still live in the Metro Detroit area?
800,00 population = Detroit, 35% poor
4.300,00 suburban Detroit = 75% over median US income
Unless you can "only build" cars, there is an awful lot of money here...
 
2006-01-30 09:51:38 PM  
arniebuteft

I love that shirt, mine's got red lettering though, and I wear it to scare my Canadian comrades:-)
 
2006-01-30 10:13:35 PM  
Check out this guy's Detroit Blog. Someone linked it a while ago and I've checked it out ... I've found the guy's stories interesting.
 
2006-01-30 10:25:11 PM  
How can Detroit be so poor if it's filled with the overpaid unionized auto workers who have driven (pun intended) the American auto industry into the ground?
 
2006-01-30 10:37:03 PM  
www.anthonyjosephevans.com

Seriously, I'm not trying to "rub it in" but before I visited the site "The Fabulous Ruins of Detroit" I never imagined such a vast expanse of abandoned buildings would exist in ANY city.

I swear, Seattle literally has NO slums. None. And you never see a vacant ("Vacant", not "abandoned") building without some sign out front showing you what's going to soon replace it. There's not ONE neighborhood I wouldn't feel safe driving through - or walking through at night. (Here comes the rebuttles of course)

Now, to explain a bit, Seattle literally has NO major flat areas except for the industrial "SODO" (SOuth of DOwntown) district. I used to work there for seven years. And that place is packed! There are too few flat areas to build, so if a property is ever left in disrepair, it gets occupied with something new rather quickly.

Seattle's got problems just like lots of other cities. It's not a perfect place, but from what I've read here (and I 'discovered' the ruins of Detroit and other places years before doing research on the Web) A native of Detroit who's never been outside the city would think that Seattle was Disneyland.

The things we complain about is lack of national recognition, respect and the like. Knowing Detroit's situation makes me think our complaints are rather petty. Besides, we're going to have a parade through our town with the Seahawks as they return triumphant from their Super Bowl win, and there won't be any broken glass from riots that just won't happen.

/Go Seahawks!
 
2006-01-30 10:37:30 PM  
Good points- Pistons, Red Wings.
Neutral- Tigers.
Bad- the festering garbage that is most of town.

/spends WAY too much time in Detroit
//proud to be a Wings fan
///Row 1, Seat 1, Section 101 :-)
 
2006-01-30 10:38:19 PM  
BLACK

There, I said it.
 
2006-01-30 10:39:38 PM  
trapped-in-CH,

That's simple. Just like in Ohio near the GM Lordstown plant. None of the workers actually live there. They all live away in suburbs that are cheap. Yet they are all still broke, at least they all claim.
 
2006-01-30 10:39:59 PM  
Say what you want about Detroit, but just try and get a decent coney dog anywhere else in the world.
 
2006-01-30 10:42:41 PM  
anthonix

www.oregonscenics.com

Portland pwns Seattle 7 days a week and you know it.

The couple times I've been to Seattle to use the airport, I've been in some sketchy areas on the bus ride from downtown to the airport. Not sure if that qualifies as Seattle but it's sketchy.
 
2006-01-30 10:43:25 PM  
just try and get a decent coney dog anywhere else in the world.

Coney Island isn't a good choice?
 
2006-01-30 10:46:12 PM  
Looks like MadMike5200 pulled a fnorgby!
 
2006-01-30 10:49:17 PM  
tricycleracer: Coney Island isn't a good choice?

SWEET JESUS NO.
 
2006-01-30 10:49:25 PM  
Kurland

"Detroit is a pretty nasty place."

I lived in Detroit my whole life until recently (due to circumstances I had to leave). While it has it's problems, I'd hardly consider it any different from any other big city. I've never lived in a "nasty" neighborhood. I wasn't the most wealthy area of the city... but my neighbors and I went to work every day and maintained our property as people who care tend to do.

Then you said, "Working in it or visiting is all good and fine as long as you are careful though. Over all it a bad city,"

The last time I watched the news (I watch a lot of it. I work at a TV station.) I saw that crime happens everywhere and you need to "be careful" wherever you go. I know I'm damn careful when I'm in your city of Dearborn. I worked there for nearly 5 years... it isn't all that great.

I'm sick and tired of second, third and fourth generation suburbanites painting pictures of the city for people, when they aren't entirely qualified to do so. Driving on the freeway through Detroit on your way to Red Wings games doesn't exactly make you an expert on a community.

The general problems that plague the city are the same ones that plague other big cities. Detroit's just one of those cities that gets kicked while it's down.
 
2006-01-30 10:57:33 PM  
Detroit's just one of those cities that gets kicked while it's down.

Oddly, the people doing the kicking are suburban Detroiters themselves. Drive by a casino and there are a dozen buses in front of it with out-of-state plates. Every day. This past year, Detroit has gotten great reviews in the national media. A quarter million people will come around the world for the Electronic Music Festival...

But ask anyone in Livonia what he thinks of Detroit and he'll scream in terror like a little biotch. It's like, it isn't enough that they hate Detroit. They have to convince everyone else to hate it, too.
 
2006-01-30 10:58:43 PM  
Go Hawks!


/Portland has nothing on Seattle, except strip clubs.
 
2006-01-30 11:01:53 PM  
The Pittsburgh Steelers think they can infiltrate the mountains of Dr. Klahn??
 
2006-01-30 11:02:28 PM  
uk.geocities.com

"Tak-a him to Detroit!"
 
2006-01-30 11:07:37 PM  
doobie77 I love you, bruddah.
 
2006-01-30 11:11:49 PM  
Detroit, my hometown. Shiathole as it may be, growing up there made me the street-smart, tough-as-nails, take-no-shiat-off-nobody SOB I am today. People who haven't lived there are probably right when they talk their smack, but they'll never understand or appreciate Detroit like someone who grew up there.


/Happier now in Kansas City, MO.
 
2006-01-30 11:18:01 PM  
Some folks have been trying to compare Easr Palo Alto with Detroit..... The cheapest house in Detroit (7 mile road / Oliveta graveyard area) is $5000. Thats right 3 zeros. $23 / month via the mortgage calculator. Want to guess what the cheapest single family home in EPA is? Do ya? $500,000. 100 times more than Detroit. Oh, and if you remember Whiskey Gulch (where I would get my booze when I was 16), it is now a Four Seasons hotel.
East Palo Alto = Detroit, my ass.
 
2006-01-30 11:56:46 PM  
"But ask anyone in Livonia what he thinks of Detroit and he'll scream in terror like a little biotch. It's like, it isn't enough that they hate Detroit. They have to convince everyone else to hate it, too."


Tell me about it! Hello! Maybe no one wants to come into the city and spend money because they've scared everyone shiatless.

I laughed my ass off when the folks at my tv station were bummed about us slipping from the 10 spot to number 11 in market share. They put on about 5 shows a day that would convince most people they'd never survive here... but they can't figure out why so many people are moving.
 
2006-01-31 12:29:50 AM  
I live just 4 miles north of Detroit, and it's a decent area. Why do I stay here? Jobs. Family. Friends. Some day we may move out into the boonies, but not any time soon.
 
2006-01-31 12:54:05 AM  
Ooooh! mattloaf1's looking for a fight! It's gonna be that whole "My town's better than your town" flame war! Yeah yeah YEAH!

Not gonna happen.

I LOVE Portland! Not only does my sister live there and I've been there many times, but Portland's the home town of the Dan Reed Network. I have a whole page dedicated to that band.

www.danreed.com

I like the river, the US Bancorp tower (I'm into skyscrapers and it's the Portland landmark I look for when I go down there) the Blueback, OMSI, Lake Oswego, and whenever the Blazers are on top of my Sonics, I root for them. Most of The Simpsons TV show names are named after streets in Portland.

So...
 
2006-01-31 01:22:40 AM  
I have had this one for years, did it for a photoshop contest on another site:

myspace-120.vo.llnwd.net
 
2006-01-31 01:25:38 AM  
and here, closeup of the photoshopped car:

myspace-363.vo.llnwd.net
 
2006-01-31 01:30:10 AM  
Anyone who makes accusations of white flight also has to understand that Coleman A Young once told "all whities to get north of eight mile."

The fact that he was a total, arsehole crook is the biggest reason for the downfall of that city.

Dennis Archer did his best to turn things around (and was doing an EXCELLENT JOB) until Kwame came in and pissed it all away.
 
2006-01-31 01:34:57 AM  
The best thing about having the Super Bowl in Detroit is getting all of the roads fixed. The worst thing about having the Super Bowl in Detroit is you couldn't drive anywhere all Summer because of all of the "Farking" construction.
 
2006-01-31 02:07:21 AM  
I currently live in southwest Detroit and have lived here
for about 40 years.. ONLY because I cant afford anything else. I moved to a nearby suburb for a while but they tend to find a way to milk money from you. Detroit is at least as bad as everyone in this thread claims it is, or worse.

The problem is we have no farking police at all and have not had any for MANY years. When I was a kid we had a lot of police and they would actually come when you called!
We had the "Big 4" wich was the nickname for 4 undercover cops riding around in one car. These guys DID NOT PLAY!
They where broke up because black people complained they was kicking there ass... I have something to say about that .. the big 4 kicked EVERYONES ass!! Trust a whitie on that subject. When cops where not only visible but would question you on the street.. things where MUCH better.
My neighborhood started going to shiat when Fidel Castro dumped his prisons on the US and a lot ended up here. I dont remember the year. Things went to shiat fast after that and never recovered.

Detroit still has MANY more years before it is safe.


Peace
Rich
 
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