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2006-01-31 12:09:24 AM
i follow Islam and the Qu'ran.

I DONT do drugs
I DONT drink alcohol
I DONT steal
I DONT rape
I DONT kill
I DONT believe in pre-marital sex

I DO respect and obey my elders
I DO take care of my parents
I DO charity work
I DO pray 5 times a day
I DO learn to respect everyone
I DO strive to have knowledge and be educated
I DO promote peace and harmony among people
I DO fast during Ramadan
I DO struggle to make myself better

yes i am a barbaric and a terrorist...
 
2006-01-31 12:23:07 AM
Good post, lucky13

The only Muslims I have ever met are similar to you in beliefs and I hope that Muslims in general are as sensible as yourself.
 
2006-01-31 12:24:18 AM
OH NO!!! Lucky13 is here!@!!


GET DOWN!!!
 
2006-01-31 12:25:25 AM
Lucky13:

I am a Nazi. But I don't kill Jews. Therefore, all Nazis are good people.

Sound logical to you?
 
2006-01-31 12:28:06 AM
I wonder if there will have to be a war between East and West? Since no one likes to talk or respect different points of view lets just do it. I say better now than later.
 
2006-01-31 12:30:07 AM
Nazi is not a religion.
You see, I FOLLOW my religion. I don't do them because I am a "Muslim". I am a "Muslim"(follower of Islam) because I do them. Think about that.
I have always said, ISLAM is perfect, (people who think they are)"Muslims" are not.

The End.
 
2006-01-31 12:31:17 AM
"I DO promote peace and harmony among people"

Well that's fine, Lucky 13. So where is your protest march against all the gruesome murders against innocent civilians that are so gleefully shown by your Muslim brothers as they chant "Allahu Akbar?" As well the unbelievable sufferage that women have to endure - all in the name of "Islamic Law?"

And not just yours, but every Muslim male that believes your personal list of good deeds constitutes "the true meaning of Islam?" Protests and disagreements against horrific crimes and total subjugation of women doesn't count?
 
2006-01-31 12:31:37 AM
sms444: thank you. its good to have sensible and open minded people like you. The conception of Muslims you get in the West is comparable to the conception of Americans a lot of Muslims in Muslim countries have.
 
2006-01-31 12:34:22 AM
pontechango: The Islamist-based Justice and Development Party (AK) has won a crushing victory in Turkey's general elections, enabling it to end 15 years of coalition government.

Yes, but amazingly enough they are sticking to secular reforms and sticking to a program that attempts to put them in line for admission to the EU. Turkey may once again be proving itself a great exception to the rule.
 
2006-01-31 12:35:34 AM
I do NOT consider them my "Muslim brothers". And what is this "total subjugation" of women you people yak about? It has no base in Islam. And why should I apologize for actions of people who I dont know, I dont care about, etc?

Hey, when did we have a woman president in this country?
Gee, I wonder if any Islamic countries ever had or still have women prime minister/president...hmmm
 
2006-01-31 12:43:34 AM
Lucky13:

Hey, when did we have a woman president in this country?
Gee, I wonder if any Islamic countries ever had or still have women prime minister/president...hmmm


you can't compare all Islamic countries to one Western country... look at Finland, Canada, Germany, Ireland, New Zealand, United Kingdom, Denmark . . pretty much every Western democracy.
 
2006-01-31 12:49:49 AM
Thanks Lucky, I really do believe that there is good in most people throughout the world, though often it can be hard to see it through either misunderstandings or extremist and violent sects of many different ideologies.

Watashi: A person cannot reasonably be expected to protest every single thing that people of their same religion/nationality/etc do. If a person in the U.S. is anti-war, is it reasonable to tell them: "You're not anti-war because you don't attend 99% of the anti war protests and give 50% of your earnings to anti-war causes"?
 
2006-01-31 12:54:11 AM
"And what is this "total subjugation" of women you people yak about? It has no base in Islam. And why should I apologize for actions of people who I dont know, I dont care about, etc?"

Well, we could start out with just the simple fact that no woman in Saudi Arabia can even DRIVE A FRICKIN' CAR due to Muslim law. If that isn't subjugation, I don't know what is. And if you'd like a detailed list, give me at least two weeks to come up with all the rest of the "special rules" for women.

And I didn't say apologize for anyone. I said get out and protest to show the world that Islam is not a faith that believes that hate, suppression and murder of innocents that we see EACH AND EVERY DAY is what you actually believe in.

Seriously, the Muslim "silent majority" is the most silent of all.
 
2006-01-31 12:58:58 AM
sms444:

A person cannot reasonably be expected to protest every single thing that people of their same religion/nationality/etc do. If a person in the U.S. is anti-war, is it reasonable to tell them: "You're not anti-war because you don't attend 99% of the anti war protests and give 50% of your earnings to anti-war causes"?

The problem is, their are worldwide rallies against things like poverty, anti-Iraq war, abortion, gay rights, etc, attracting hundreds of thousands of people, but I have honestly never heard of a rally or protest by Muslims against terrorism/violence, except for a recent one in Britain . . which wasn't on any kind of mass scale,yet suddenly there are protests, flag burning, boycotts, etc when these cartoons are published.
 
2006-01-31 01:04:04 AM
ottawaboy: but I have honestly never heard of a rally or protest by Muslims against

rational thought thrown out the window, personal experience trumps all
 
2006-01-31 01:04:34 AM
ottawaboy

You have what appears to be a good point there, and if there is information to refute it, I don't have that information.

I do suppose that simply by leaving the predominantly radical Muslim nations those non-radical Muslims are making a valid statement, albeit a smaller one. Though often the countries run by the radical groups don't allow people to enter and exit too freely, and we've seen what happens to anyone who dares protest while still INSIDE these countries.
 
2006-01-31 01:08:07 AM
okay so tell me which "Muslim law" tells a woman not to drive?
even tho I don't like Saudi Arabia i do like their policy women cant drive..seriously, most guys here in America would not want women on the road...i know i dont. is it cause i hate women? no.. its cause they are shiatty drivers...and you know that...

and beside that..

regarding protests, there are tons of protest that goes on all the time...

here is an example:
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2005/11/massive-muslim-demonstration-against .html

google for more if you want...

and most Muslims do not have the time and luxury to protest against stuff they had nothing to do with. Most of them work all day to feed their family. think about that
 
2006-01-31 01:16:39 AM
Lucky:While I've found myself areeing with you on issues related to the overall discussion so far, I just can't see why you would seriously want to revoke a woman's right to do anything that a man can do, especially something as crucial to mobility as driving. But I suppose I am just getting the thread off topic, which I apologize for.

/I don't apologize for supporting completely equal rights for women and men however!
 
2006-01-31 01:19:09 AM
Stop confusing culture with religion. Women cant drive because of religion? Sheesh. Its the culture that needs to be driven out.

Btw, Brunei is also a peaceful country.

Asians are known not to speak out. Speaking out brings out the kiasu and the lan si lan yoong. You cant force people of other culture to express their feelings the same way you do.
 
2006-01-31 01:27:11 AM
EzraS

You don't read any better than you argue. I said I do not believe in Christian nations, peaceful or otherwise. The notion of an Earthly Christian nation is directly contrary to the teachings of Jesus.
 
2006-01-31 01:29:39 AM
sms444: it was a joke which most people here probably would not find funny.. i am trying to get my mom to get her damn drivers license already so i dont have to drive her everywhere...
 
2006-01-31 01:30:30 AM
hey Lucky, that's pretty cool.. maybe it's just that the media doesn't seem to cover the protests as much (compared to all the coverage of WTO, G8 etc)? Do you know if there is a reformation going on in Islam, or any major ideological movements (ie protestant reformation in Christianity)?
 
2006-01-31 01:32:27 AM
lucky:
I DONT drink alcohol
I DONT believe in pre-marital sex


loser.
 
2006-01-31 01:32:28 AM
Sorry Lucky, I've been in such a serious mode from the threads I'm following that I missed the obvious fact that it was a joke!
 
2006-01-31 01:32:35 AM
Is this your heroine?

"Since her fall from power, Bhutto and her husband have been convicted in Pakistan on corruption charges that date back to her tenure as Pakistan's first and only female prime minister, and several more charges are pending against them."

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D356AE7C-4806-4DA8-91C9-67B839B0E5D5.ht m
 
2006-01-31 01:33:50 AM
hey ottawaboy, you're from ottawa?

i went to skate on the canal there with my bf during, err winter festivals, there was a ice sculpture and other cold things. I never seen snow before.
 
2006-01-31 01:35:50 AM
LincolnLogolas: Ahem. Anyways, my point: It's not the bloody religion. If Christians obeyed their doctrine to the word, we'd still be embroiled in the same petty fights that occupied us for centuries.

Actually, if they read the Bible and obeyed it to the word, they would be pretty nice people.

Jesus' words superseded the violent Old Testament and replaced it with peace, love, laying down your sword, loving your enemies, praying for those who persecute you, doing unto others as you would have them do unto you, praying only in secret; not to show off how holy you are, not judging others lest you be judged, selling everything you have and giving it to the poor, spending your time befriending prostitutes and crooks, giving someone a good shot at the other cheek when they punch you in the face, abandoning your family to bring others to heaven, removing the log from your eye before you pull the (homosexual? atheist? pornographic?) speck from your brother's eye...

But they don't.
 
2006-01-31 01:36:28 AM
lollapelosi

was it pakistani fault or muslim fault that she was corrupted too?
 
2006-01-31 01:39:16 AM
Bleargh

leaving your family to bring others to heaven? LoL. As a woman, that's what i'd term as subjugation of women. Befriending prostitutes, I'm sure.. and bring home HIV to us while you're at it.
 
2006-01-31 01:39:19 AM
king cranium: yes i am a loser because i dont like to get plastered and risk getting stds

ottawa: no there is not such thing as "reformation" in Islam due to several reasons
a) Change in Islam (any change in the Quran) is considered blasphemous. it does not refer to change as in 'modernization' but the basic rules
b) there is no central authority that decides what goes on in Islam
c) IMO there is no need to 'change' or 'reform' Islam because if you follow the Islam like you are supposed to, everything works out

however, i do believe there should be 'reformation' of some Muslims and get them to be actual Muslims like they are supposed to be rather than what they are.

and yeah media does not cover those stories as much because people getting blown up and chants of "death to America" is more exciting than Islamic rallies that condemns terrorism
 
2006-01-31 01:42:47 AM
Lucky

Culture, religion, who cares? Seen any Baptist suicide bombers recently? Any of them Buddhist? Hindu? Are those Europeans kidnapping journalists and aid workers and beheading them and sending the tapes to Al-Jazeera?

I suggest you take a trip to Lakewood, Ohio, where a growing population of Middle Eastern immigrants is making life hell in the public schools. Female teachers are having all kinds of problems with Arab boys because they've been taught that women are not as good as men. Watch these families walk down the street, the man dressed in normal American clothes, the woman always three steps behind him, dressed in whatever they call the head-to-toe covering in their Islamic homeland.

Sorry, but over here men and women are equal. Yeah, our Constitution and laws protect their right to act this way, but that just makes our country better -- because we sure as hell couldn't go to wherever these dune monkeys come from and try to live according to what our culture allows.
 
2006-01-31 01:46:07 AM
speaker2animals:
ever heard of the tamil tigers? just an example

statistically you would see that neighborhoods with more Muslim population is much safer than neighborhoods than non Muslim population...i don't have any #s handy but I am sure ifyou do research you could find that out
 
2006-01-31 01:47:25 AM
Well although i dislike the muslim growth and popularity trend in my country as well, I will tell you there are buddhist and hindu bombers going at each other. Only difference is they are not suicide bombers. But they still kill people. You dont hear about it in the media because our government is trying to keep it low so that more foreign investors have confidence in PRC.

i really believe government controlled media is paramount in any developing nation's growth
 
2006-01-31 01:47:46 AM
Submitter and Drew are farking racist a-holes. Seriously, WTF? there is a difference b/w some farking group calling for armed attacks, which no one supports, vs. Most Muslims just practicing their freedom not to buy Danish products.

Please get your facts straight, we're really getting tired of the racism and stereotyping in the name of 'freedom of speech' (more like hate speech).

/so ban me
//maybe I should practice my freedom of speech and start criticizing Israel, oh wait, that's illegal and anti-semitic.
 
2006-01-31 01:50:58 AM
Buddhist bombers? Are you sure? Buddhism is the only actual religion of peace that I have ever heard of! Supposedly, not one war has ever been started in the name of Buddhism.
 
2006-01-31 01:52:20 AM
not in the name of buddhism. not by the monks themselves la. but they belong to that sect. you dont have to be a monk to be a buddhist.
 
2006-01-31 01:58:26 AM
CodeBlue


maybe I should practice my freedom of speech and start criticizing Israel, oh wait, that's illegal and anti-semitic.

No it's not.

fark Islam! that whole religion cult is broken beyond repair. Mohammad was a baby raping piece of shiat. I wish drones loaded with pigs blood would spray Mecca and Medina night and day. Oh did I forget... fark Islam!

 
2006-01-31 02:02:02 AM
"I wish drones loaded with pigs blood would spray Mecca and Medina night and day."

I dont understand what this will achieve. Are you American? By those standards you will be considered intelligent out of your peers.
 
2006-01-31 02:04:21 AM
The biggest past time for hypocrits is to use religion for:
power
feelings of inadequacy
aggression
envy
etc.

Islam as a religion isn't bad. Just the people who currently control it. Read some history and you'll see parallels in ALL organized religions. (organized being the key word - several very small groups have worked out... for a while)
 
2006-01-31 02:08:53 AM
oh and i leave you with some quotes which show how barbaric and intolerant Islam really is

"The ink of a scholars pen is more sacred than the blood of a martyr" - Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

And act justly. Truly, God loves those who are just. (Quran, 49:9)

(O mankind, We have created you from a male and a female and have made you into nations and tribes for you to know one another. Truly, the noblest of you with God is the most pious- Truly, God is All-Knowing, All-Aware. ) (Quran, 49:13)


{O people! Your God is one and your forefather (Adam) is one. An Arab is not better than a non-Arab and a non-Arab is not better than an Arab, and a red (i.e. white tinged with red) person is not better than a black person and a black person is not better than a red person, except in piety.}- Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

good night and hope everyone can open up their mind
 
2006-01-31 02:11:20 AM
i dont believe that lucky13. Can you provide proof for everything you wrote that were quotes of Muhammad?
 
2006-01-31 02:13:09 AM
Religion Of Peace. Wake up and join the 21 century.
 
2006-01-31 02:13:26 AM
Isn't it more than slightly ironic that a bunch of cartoons showing/satirizing recent outbursts of Islamic extremism, terrorism, and murder outrage more Muslims than the actual acts committed in their name? And, regarding all of this thread's hubbub over how Westerners unfairly view all Muslims as monolithic in their opinions (which, duh, they're not), why so little discussion over the fact that the offended Muslims seemingly can make no distinction between the newspaper that published the cartoons and the nation of Denmark (or the region of Scandinavia entire)? Who're the real bigots and reactionnaries here?

Sorry, but it's pretty lame for people to burn flags, threaten murder, and call back ambassadors over a dozen cartoons. And it trangresses into outright crazy despotism when people and governments of the Mideast demand the government of Denmark clamp down on a newspaper in favor of religious pride. All religions should be open to satire, criticism and outright mockery; or, if that doesn't gel well with some of you, then religions should be equally tongue-tied when it comes to lecturing us on who we choose to love, how we choose to view God, and their general urge to suppress, murder, and torture non-believers into submission.

I guess in the end, the newspaper in question proved its original point that some substantial sections of Islam are unready to accept concepts like free speech, satire, and open dialogue. The temper tantrums that have arisen in its wake do nothing to convince people otherwise. People can claim a religion is all about "peace, love, and mercy" all they want, but talk is cheap and fades fast in the face of outright extremism, intolerance and such hypocrisy.
 
2006-01-31 02:14:26 AM
It's about time we voted cults like these off the planet.
 
2006-01-31 02:21:00 AM
NatalieHershlag: leaving your family to bring others to heaven? LoL. As a woman, that's what i'd term as subjugation of women.

Not really.

Matthew 10:35-37:

For I have come to turn `a man against his father, a daughter
against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law -
a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.'
Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me
is not worthy of me;
anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me
is not worthy of me;

I really only mentioned that one because of the large dose of "Focus on the Family" I grew up with. I was trying to make it sound like a good thing, but really I was just trying to point out Jesus' focus. :-)

Befriending prostitutes, I'm sure.. and bring home HIV to us while you're at it.

John 8:3-7:

"The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery; and making her stand before all of them, they said to him, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the very act of committing adultery. Now in the law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" They said this to test him, so that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let anyone among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
 
2006-01-31 02:21:54 AM
varezz

go fark yourself

JohnnyDanger

Yeah, let's just wipe out 1.3 billion people off the face of earth. Maybe if we just remove the Israelis and their mentally-retarded allies everyone will be happy? you are so civilized.

NatalieHershlag

I know it's hard to believe that Muhammad was a very wise and peaceful person, given the brainwashing dose you get daily on TV and Fark.

but Google is your friend
 
2006-01-31 02:24:19 AM
Yeah. So lets have more prostitutes and ruin family lives everywhere. Thanks Jesus!
 
2006-01-31 02:25:55 AM
JohnnyDanger: It's about time we voted cults like these off the planet.

Unfortunately, the only votes that count are bombs...
 
2006-01-31 02:30:24 AM
Re: criticizing Israel is harmful to your heath:

Former President of Ireland

State Dept. says it's illegal in many European countries to criticize Israel.

So fark you and your freedom of speech.
 
2006-01-31 02:42:13 AM
CodeBlue


So fark you and your freedom of speech.

You don't want freedom of speech? You're so farking weak you can't handle it, you need a baby raping "prophet" to guide you. You're sick. Leave, go to Tehran! Get off the Internet go read your koran...moran

 
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