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2006-01-30 06:36:33 PM  
Dansker: ...except we're not allowed to call it "Feta" anymore...

I'm sure it's just called Apetina now.
 
2006-01-30 06:37:20 PM  
Jamrock, would you like to borrow my book on making friends and influencing people? It might help you a bit.
 
2006-01-30 06:39:52 PM  
sms444, did you ever get a response from AN? That was a pretty ballsy thing you did. Hat tip to you, good sir.
 
2006-01-30 06:40:52 PM  
Why won't you Christians come out and say you want War with muslims? Yes you've seen my post so far. Speak your mind.
 
2006-01-30 06:41:01 PM  
And they're whining to the UN to pass a resolution that would forbid people from making fun of religion. Suck it UP, you farking pussies! Everyone and everything gets made fun of. If it makes you so mad, go back to the goddamn middle east and leave the rest of us the hell alone.
 
2006-01-30 06:41:53 PM  
tinyarena

Check out Turkey - 99% Muslim, yet has a democratic government (3 branches, republican parliamentary democracy)

Admittedly, it isn't perfect yet, but it's only been a Country for about 85 years. The U.S. hadn't even gotten past slavery when it had existed that long...
 
2006-01-30 06:43:28 PM  
sms444

Okay, good, now can you name two?
 
2006-01-30 06:43:32 PM  
FarkIt,

No, nothing like the Bible. Not once does the Hebrew Bible or the New Testament state that everyone must be Jewish/Christian or dead/subdued.
In the Hebrew Bible, gentiles don't even have to believe in God.
 
2006-01-30 06:43:51 PM  
Hyggelig:
Dansker, you've just insulted my mother, an ex-pat. I demand an apology.

*Sigh*
I can't do anything right tonight. I thought I just insulted Americans.

Will you accept a picture of a Danish babe, who went to Hollywood and came back unscathed, in place of an actual apology?
img203.imageshack.us
 
2006-01-30 06:44:36 PM  
I don't think we can so easily slam Muslims. I know quite a few, and even worked for one. They're like everyone else. They cheat on taxes, put fake people on the payroll, circulate dirty jokes....only they have a picture of some freaky guy on the wall and like to wail in a particular direction. All's good.
 
2006-01-30 06:45:10 PM  
What the world needs now is another Karl Martel.
 
2006-01-30 06:45:25 PM  
mcflizzy

Yes, actually, they responded very quickly with a grammatical nightmare of an email that basically said I had been indoctrinated by the public schools and was naive.

I'll paste in their reply:
From: natd­ir­[nospam-﹫-backwards]sn­oitan-­nayra*org
"I came across your e-mail and found it laughable. Yeah, actually we're
just one
big human family all decended from mutant African Pigmys; color is just
skin
deep and hell yeah, jusus was a dirty jew. And further jEws are great
business
people and make the bestest friends for goyim. You want to believe all
that crap
then go right ahead. I'm NO LONGER answering questions for children
writing
school papers on White Supremacy your teachers are all no good commie
bastards!
Go join the totally screwed up human race for all I care. Those that
are going
to awake to the mess we are in are already awake, as for the rest
screw'em!"
 
2006-01-30 06:46:44 PM  
RexK

No, nothing like the Bible. Not once does the Hebrew Bible or the New Testament state that everyone must be Jewish/Christian or dead/subdued

Isn't that the point of any religious text? To say everyone should worship ______ (g)God(s) by ___________ #____ times per ______?
 
2006-01-30 06:46:48 PM  

Fire Cracker

Why won't you Christians come out and say you want War with muslims? Yes you've seen my post so far. Speak your mind.

Cause we don't. And I would appreciate it if Muslims would stop blowing people up. Look, my God is capable of defending himself. He doesn't need me going to war with people I am supposed to love.


The reason the US is in Afghanistan is because of Bin Laden. And sooner or later Saddam was going down in flames. Bush just made it sooner. Neither of these things have to do with Islam. You pick a fight with the US, you get hurt. I don't always agree with what the US does, but it has nothing to do with any ill will toward a religion.

 
2006-01-30 06:48:23 PM  
tinyarena

Name a muslim nation that is a model of freedom and/or democracy. Please, we'd all like to know.

Because as we all know, a nations freedom and level of democracy are entirely dependent on its religion. Could you stop and use your brain for a minute? Most muslim nations are located in the middle east and africa, both of which have been in nearly constant turmoil for about a century now. No shiat most of the countries are messed up - but it is not due to religion. Religion is a product of human beings, and it is always going to reflect the situation of the people who are practicing it.

Case in point - militant christian tribes that invade nearby muslim settlements daily (and vice versa) and kill each other. It has abso-farking-lutely nothing to do with what religion a person practices. According to your point, this group of people's "freedom and democracy" rating is dependent on its religion. But how can that be, when the united states, the most glorious christian (wait...what?) nation on earth is such a shining beacon of freedom!?

Start thinking about the whole issue. You're not doing anyone any favours by spouting this stupid crap.
 
2006-01-30 06:48:51 PM  
Jamrock,

Should our government (representing all Americans regardless or race or religion) have a responsibility to defend the innocent from the guilty, to protect the weak from the strong? Isn't this the very purpose of government? This is not a religious war, at least nor on our side. Many people of many differing faiths were killed on 9/11. And in many previous attacks that went unanswered as well. There has been no christian call to arms, no call to iradicate the muslim enemy. If there were such a call, christians far and wide would condemn it. In fact, we have called upon our muslim counterparts to condemn the violent attacks and stand against the terrorists with us. Very few have, but perhaps it is a start.

Even our government has gone to great lengths to see that no innocents are killed. Even taking American casualties to avoid the loss of innocent life. We certainly hope to gain friends among the Muslim faithful. But, regardless whether they acknowledge our efforts or not, we will continue to try to do what is right.
 
2006-01-30 06:49:09 PM  
wyltoknow: In other news, religion of peace commends the death of soldiers in Iraq and cheers on the deaths in recent hurricanes as punishment for sins against God and Christ.

Because, you know, radical minority groups are representative of a whole religion. Idiot.



Wait a minute, let me get this straight.

Saudi Arabia (as in the country) recalls their nation's envoy from Denmark because of the cartoon that one single Danish guy drew.

Exactly WHO is the radical minority here?

Please stop with ridiculous namby-pamby Islamic apologetic "oh all religious are just as bad, look at the Catholics too" crap. The situation is farked up ok, can we agree on that and move on? kthx
 
2006-01-30 06:49:12 PM  
What angers me is how they demand an apology from the government.
They don't understand the concept of free speech.
The danish government have no, and should not have any say, in what the media says or does.
If anyone person or country have a problem with this, then they can take it to the danish courts.
 
2006-01-30 06:49:31 PM  
It'd be my pleasure to accept your picture 'pology. No hard feelings... wait, nevermind.
 
2006-01-30 06:49:55 PM  
tinyarena

Off the top of my head I cannot, I don't know if others exist. Please understand, in my previous comments am not saying that I support fundamentalists of any nature, especially not terrorists, but I just wanted to prove that there are sizable numbers of Muslims who, despite belonging to a flawed religion, are otherwise peaceful and normal people.

/gotta go for a bit, but I'll check back on the thread in a couple hours
 
2006-01-30 06:50:13 PM  
EzraS


Nice diatribe but you failed to answer the question.
 
2006-01-30 06:51:36 PM  
Rex

I guess all I was saying was that if it becomes okay to hate a particular group, it becomes awful easy to start to blame them for things that aren't their fault. I was thinking that if you're thinking that all Muslims are terrorists that then it must be okay to hate them. I apologize if I took your opinions a little too far. I'm sure especially you would concede that once it becomes accepted to hate a particular group that its a little too easy to start persecuting them. That's what scares me. People are far too panicky for my taste. I'd assert that it being "okay" to hate Jews made it "okay" for the German people to sit on their hands.

Your absolutely right about the figures you mention. They are WRONG! However, I believe that the reason they stay in check is that there are so many more people who don't accept their ideals. Especially among American Muslims who have almost completely rejected them.

I mean the terms "radical" and "extremist" are applied for the simple reason that these guys are a fringe minority. I think the Muslims who are firmly against that ideology deserve to be protectd.
 
2006-01-30 06:53:56 PM  
3boys

NOW! When was the last time Muslims killed someone for violating something in their holy text?

ENOUGH SAID!!

You just need to look at 1 thing to determine if they are barbarians... Sharia Law!!


So Turkey, Morocco, and Lebanon all go by Sharia Law? Do you even know what Sharia Law is or what it's derived from?

Yeah, Turkey is a really barbaric country. I recommend you go to Istanbul, Ankara, or Sinop. Then you'll see REAL barbarism! See how those bastard Muslims destroyed the Hagia Sophia, because they HATE Christians! Oh wait, they didn't. See how they bomb churches! Nope, not that either. See how the Mullahs rule that country! Nope, not that.

Hmmm.

Maybe it's in the application of the religion, then? After all, Judaism and Christianity all have it in them to kill children who disobey their parents, stone those who work on the Sabbath, kill nonbelievers (the hundreds of thousands who answered the call of "Deus Vult!" in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries, to go to war. The promise of instant salvation to those who killed non-Christians was a great lure), and destroy entire civilizations.

What's the difference? It's not the religion, apparently. It's the followers. In the west, crazed firebrands have fallen massively out of favor. Is it because some other nation came and sacked their governments? Nope. They did it on their own, they had their own growing pains. Crazies like Fred Phelps, Pat Robertson, and Jerry Falwell are all looked at by the majority as loons. Even as a Christian myself, I do, I look at these people as attempts to corrupt the faith of others to their own ends. Sounds like some other people we know in other lands... We didn't learn to shut our own crazies out by being invaded. We learned, on our own, that these crazies offer nothing good to our society. Even then, Robertson and Falwell both hold huge sway in the Bible Belt.

What do you expect from a region that was under imperial rule (Roman, Byzantine, then Ottoman), then colonial rule, for the last 2,000 years. Even during periods of autonomy (medieval period, after the Byzantine Empire had receded due to Sassanian then Seljuk Turkish incursions) there was always a threat of western invasions (the four major Crusades). They've hardly had any time to establish themselves.

They've established their own secular rules. In some lands, it works. In other lands, it creates problems. Turkey works well, right? It is on the way to joining the EU. Iraq didn't work well. Doesn't that sound a bit familiar? In Europe, a secular rule in some nations led to a fairly decent society. In others, it created monsters like Josef Stalin and Adolph Hitler. In the Near-East, we got the Ba'ath Party, one portion of which currently rules Syria, the other coontil recently) ruled Iraq.

There's not so much difference, is there? The only difference is that the Near-East has been kept in a medieval state by Imperial and then Colonial rule.

Ahem. Anyways, my point: It's not the bloody religion. If Christians obeyed their doctrine to the word, we'd still be embroiled in the same petty fights that occupied us for centuries.
 
2006-01-30 06:54:25 PM  
sms444:
It reminds me of the time I wrote to Aryan Nations (a white supremicist group) and told them that I had met some Jews that seemed like really great people and I wanted to know why A-N thought it justifiable to hate them all without individual consideration.

I tried something similar on the Vanguard News Network Forum.
All I got out of it was paranoid accussations of me being a secret Israeli cyber-operative on a mission to disrupt their jew-free community.
Funny people.
 
2006-01-30 06:54:29 PM  
sms444, bahaha ... he obviously never had to suffer the indoctrinating effects of a remedial writing course.
 
2006-01-30 06:56:52 PM  
TheRealKlaatu

What I answered was the inherent problem WITH the quesiton, and why anyone who considers it a serious point is an idiot.

And no, there aren't any besides turkey that i can think of.

My turn - Can you name any christian nations that are completely free and democratic?

You cant? NO shiat! Thats because in order for it to be a "Christian nation" (or any religion for that matter) it wouldn't be able to be free (since everyone would have to be christian - right? Since in an islamic nation, everyon would be islamic - right?). The entire question is absolutely flawed and I cant believe i had to explain it to you.
 
2006-01-30 06:57:01 PM  
sms444: there are sizable numbers of Muslims who, despite belonging to a flawed religion, are otherwise peaceful and normal people.

think that describes most belief systems quite well.
 
2006-01-30 06:57:53 PM  
Thanks, LincolnLegolas. That ought to shut him up for a while.
 
2006-01-30 06:58:36 PM  
dubdub, seconded.

80/20 rule, people!
 
2006-01-30 07:00:25 PM  
LincolnLogolas: Maybe it's in the application of the religion, then? After all, Judaism and Christianity all have it in them to kill children who disobey their parents, stone those who work on the Sabbath, kill nonbelievers (the hundreds of thousands who answered the call of "Deus Vult!" in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries, to go to war. The promise of instant salvation to those who killed non-Christians was a great lure), and destroy entire civilizations.


Do you realy want to go through all that again just because another religion missed the join-the-future bus the first time around?
 
2006-01-30 07:01:05 PM  
dubdub:
What angers me is how they demand an apology from the government.
They don't understand the concept of free speech.
The danish government have no, and should not have any say, in what the media says or does.
If anyone person or country have a problem with this, then they can take it to the danish courts.


I agree wholeheartedly.
 
2006-01-30 07:04:11 PM  
Do you realy want to go through all that again just because another religion missed the join-the-future bus the first time around?

Absolutely not. But "Glass parking lot!!111LOL" is not the answer.
 
2006-01-30 07:05:58 PM  
Why are they reading Danish newspapers?
 
2006-01-30 07:06:18 PM  
Release the hounds! I think we should sick as many rabid Great Danes as possible on those bastards - no sense of humor. Here comes Marmaduke motha-effas! He's gonna bite your jihadist nuts off.
My personal fav is the genie from Pee Wee Herman's Playhouse. I always liked it when he'd say, "Mek-a-lekka-hi-mecca-hiney-ho."
 
2006-01-30 07:07:31 PM  
danceswithcrows

For maximum effect, he needs to be eating a pork sausage the first time we see him.

The whole thing seems a little silly to me. Did the Jews get POed at Gary Larson for the "Moses parting his hair" cartoon? Did the Christians get POed at Gary Larson for the "I wonder what time it is... I feel like I've been dead for 3 days" cartoon?


Exactly. Did Israel pull out its ambassador because the US refused to censor Gary Larson? Any Christian do likewise over the 2nd cartoon?

Even companies like this, they can make mocking figurines of Jewish, Christian, and even Buddhist religious figures, but Mohammed is off limits apparently.
 
2006-01-30 07:11:36 PM  
BrotherTheodore

Do you realy want to go through all that again just because another religion missed the join-the-future bus the first time around?


It's not the religion, it's the society. The society is young, because it has not been allowed to stand on its own legs until the middle of the 20th century!

Have you seen how screwy India is? How backasswards some of the areas are, the crazy rituals they practice, like marrying a young girl to a dog to end a curse? There's Christian areas of Africa that are equally backasswards, the result of colonial rule, that are embroiled in petty wars that have been fought for DECADES.

Portions of Eastern Europe have gone forth into crazy expeditions in recent years, such as the "Ethnic Cleansing" of Yugoslavia, which began as soon as the united (Communist) government of Yugoslavia had given way to petty states in the 1990s.

What do all these places have in common? They're "new". They've come out of Colonial or Imperial rule in the last century, or have come from the splintering of a larger nation. Religion becomes a tool of those who seek power. Religion is not the problem in itself.

I would not say Christianity as a whole is a problem, despite the fact that people have twisted the faith I follow to their own ends. Nor would I say that Islam is.
 
2006-01-30 07:11:48 PM  
sms444
no problem, just asking
 
2006-01-30 07:12:20 PM  
grotto_man: Even companies like this, they can make mocking figurines of Jewish, Christian, and even Buddhist religious figures, but Mohammed is off limits apparently.

Do I have a dirty mind, or are those figurines naughtier than first glance would suggest?

/I know it's a stupid question.
//This proves they do exist
 
2006-01-30 07:13:53 PM  
but, the cartoons aren't funny.

Not that i'd shoot a dane over it
 
2006-01-30 07:24:27 PM  
So islam is bad because they believe what is in their holy text?

I'm a Christian and I doubt nothing in the Bible. I have yet to think about killing or blowing up anyone.

The fact that I am a fundamentalist merely means that my religion take precendence over all else. Not that I'm slow witted or have racist tendancies. Nor does it imply that I wish to kill or dominate other people.

Fundamentalism is not evil. Except when it reveals the inconsistancy of eitehr a person's beliefs or doctrine.
 
2006-01-30 07:29:31 PM  
EzraS


I don't believe in the concept of a "Christian nation" on Earth because Jesus said that his kingdom was not of this world. It bears noting that the kingdom of Heaven is a monarchy, not a democracy.

And while you may choose to be incredulous at my lack of intellect, it remains that your rant was an excuse to avoid really engaging the question. Turkey is a decent answer I suppose, given that Islam seems to be concerned with the idea of creating theocracies. I don't really care as long as people don't blow up innocent bystanders in office buildings or restaurants.
 
2006-01-30 07:31:38 PM  
From TFA:

It called on its fighters to "hit whatever targets possible belonging to these two countries and other (countries) that follow their steps".
...
Denmark has defended newspaper Jyllands-Posten's right to publish the satirical drawings that seemed to portray the prophet as a terrorist, which a Norwegian paper has run too.


So, the reaction of terrorists to the depiction of their prophet as a terrorists is to call for acts of terror.

Man, the irony must be lost on them.

I personally think it's in poor taste to depict ANY religious prophet or similar in any way but what is respectful to the religion itself. For instance, the old joke about the 42 Virginians beating up Osama Bin Laden when he dies.

/ What did you THINK I said?
 
2006-01-30 07:36:18 PM  
i nominate fark as the place where the most ignorant farkers come together and mentally masturbate each other with their antireligion/antiIslam bs.

but ofcourse i am a 'troll' because i have my own views...

well we will see who rots in hell and who don't.

i am not going to even try to argue cause you are all too blind and deaf to see or hear the truth
 
2006-01-30 07:38:11 PM  
You Crusading Christians do realize this Forum is not limited to the United States right?

We all know extremist are bad and thats who weve been told were fighting in this War on Terrorism. But, you guys keep using that termI dont think it means what you think it means at least not to the outside world. You guys are so shallow your almost see through.

Do you really believe yourself to be on a crusade against Muslim extremist? If so why are more people not a little ticked about the governments incompetence in not catching Osama? He was the guy in charge of 9/11 that started the whole war. Iraq was a Secular state with no nukes but a lot of oil, which just so happened to be trading in European dollars, but thats a non issue really.

The point is, Everyone realizes that there are Muslim extremist out there that are plotting to kill us and eat American babies, but the war to go out and find these types has not gone so well, some would even call it a miserable failure. It almost seems as though we have gotten side tracked and dont want to admit it. Im not going to say some of you are in complete denial but someone has to point out the possibility.

////No party
//One agenda
/Where is my country?
 
2006-01-30 07:39:16 PM  
This is the only source of info on americans I get, and you guys play out every stereotype. Thank god you people don't live in Norway.

/I like generalising
// you are all like george from seinfeld
///slazh
 
2006-01-30 07:39:24 PM  
You laugh, but a similar thing happened to Upper Volta when they drew a scathing "Chunky but Cute In the Face" caricature of Kruschev.
 
2006-01-30 07:40:36 PM  
If they're offended they should send letters to Jyllandsposten (the newspaper in question), not randomly target everything Danish. Specifically this case should not touch the Danish government since the government has nothing at all to do with what the newspapers publish.

It's scary to see those basket cases on the telly toting their AK-47s and burning the flag of my country.
 
2006-01-30 07:40:45 PM  
The headline submitter and admin who approved this link are both worthless, ignorant bigots.
 
2006-01-30 07:43:30 PM  
Lucky13: i am not going to even try to argue cause you are all too blind and deaf to see or hear the truth

And you know the Truth how? Your mind is as omnipotent as an onmipotent being who came down from the sky and gave you infinite understanding of the Truth?

/fine with the idea of not existing after death
//didn't bother me the first 15 billion years of the universe before I was born
///don't mind people who BELIEVE in the supernatural
////does mind people who claim to know the mind of an omnipotent being and be able to judge others for that omnipotent being
 
2006-01-30 07:43:52 PM  
And now the Danish government has made a kind of apology to these a-holes. And no, they are not a few isolated nutcases, no one in the middle east is buying any Arla-products anymore after last fridays prayer, as if Arla had anything to do with this. Even Sweden is under attack for some reason.

I am really really tired of this kind of stupid behaviour, combined with actual violence being done, but mostly tired of muslims talking trash and getting away with it.

Unfortunately I can not even get behind the usual glass parking lot response since I realize that the issue is a bit more complicated than that. I do actually have some good muslim friends, even though it sounds like BS.

Guess what I really don't like is pissy poor people and their stupid ways. Kill the poor.
 
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