Release the hounds

The simple fact remains, if you are trying to see this through their eyes, you've already lost. They are nothing like you and therefore you can't put yourself in their position.

Insane people all throughout history have tried to dehumanize their enemies to make it easier to hate them. Stalin did it (they're capatalists!), Americans did it (They're communists!), Nutso radical islamists do it (they're infidels!), and now you're doing it (They are nothing like you!).

Congratulations, you disgust me.

Gosling

"What, what did the Buddhists do now? ...oh, you mean some other religion."

Don''t know, but it seems like their fighting against the Islamic fanatics too

/Wait that was the Hindus in India
//Having problems keeping track of the sectarian violence lately.
///'Never be rude to an Arab'

Muslims are loonies, but no more looney than members of any other religion. They're all just variations on a theme, and all equally capable of inspiring violence and hate.

make that 'they're fighting'

Need to preview more often

Eric Rudolph is rotting in prison. Will be for the rest of his life.

The Klan is a remnant of its former self headed for obscurity.

Why, because Americans don't put up with that kind of thing.

Bin Laden is protected and housed when the world knows he is responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocents.

Why, because of some misguided hospitality rules and the surety of violence on anyone who would dare to turn him over.

THAT is the difference between Judeo-Christian America and third world muslim backwaters.

THAT is why America will triumph.

THAT is why, when we do triumph, muslims will be allowed to practice their religion in peace. Something they are loath to even let other sects of Islam do.

Dansker, that's precisely the sort of Danish woman to whom I was offering my love. Grrrrrrrrr.

Arguing about islam on the internet is like running in the...

EzraS,

I am quite well educated concerning Islam and 'religious studies.' I'm sure my own knowledge of 'religious studies' dwarfs your own by a rather large margin. You ask about the central tenets of Islam, the five pillars maybe? Hajj, zakat, silat, saum, and err forgot the Arabic term for the other. Another central tenet of Islam: everyone must be Muslim or we will kill and subdue them. Radical Islam refers to those Muslims that actually DO seek peace with the modern world.

I like your quote "But I'll bet that before september 11th 2001, you didn't even know what a muslim was, or what they believe"

Nice try, but I'd had two Muslim roommates by that time, during my college years. I had countless Muslim friends at school.

You seem to be the one severely lacking in knowledge. Please refer to my earlier suggestion: "Maybe you should read up on the history and goals of the Muslim Brotherhood, the largest Muslim organization in the world that spawned such lovely entities as Hamas and al Qaeda"

The Brotherhood is currently leading/coordinating the Arab Muslim invasion of Europe.

Youll take my Opera browser when you pry it from my cold dead Program Files folder, you bastards!

I've seen alternate versions of some of that stuff on PatriotArt.com

No HTML because I was a bad boy in a photoshop contest many moons ago.

http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cowboy16er.jpg
http://img379.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thekidssecret3of.jpg

Lol, I speak truth, and all the America hating liberal terrorist apologists can pull out are the ad hominem attacks!! Not one serious refutation!! Not one!
HAHAHA, I laugh.

The truth sucks.

No_One_Special
I AM in mine. I am an American muslim, and I deserve to freely practice without bigoted shiatstains like you talking about who needs to go where.

Islam forbids violence. So there are violent people out there who call themselves muslims, huh? Let me tell you something: the most violent muslim in the world is still more of a Christian than the typical American Christian. American Christians support war against a different faith and people with the kind of enthusiasm guys like bin Laden only WISH they could elicit. You hoard money and have contempt for the poor, you're drunk, violent, and criminally dishonest to virtually everyone you meet, but even though there are more violent, anti-muslim christian extremists living in America than there are violent, anti-christian muslim extremists living in a population almost 5 times the size, and yet we are the "Dangerous people"

You know what? You dipshiat islamophobes couldn't even describe what it is we believe. If you tried, you'd come closer to the ancient pantheon of the Mayans than you would to us.

We:

-Worship the God of the Bible.
-Believe in the Teachings of Jesus (which didn't include "worship me as the incarnation of God", if you want to go look)
-Are told to uphold a high moral standard of conduct in all situations
-Believe in strengthening our community by not falling into the barbaric traps of racism, nationalism, or class warfare
-Are told to bear all hardships with patience
-Are warned to never harm anyone except as a matter of life and death

And you say our RELIGION is violent? Because of a bunch of poorly educated, well, renecks basically?

Look, American Right-Wing Nuts can say that terrorists are violent because they're "Muslim", but it's just as easy to say, as an American Muslim that terrorists are violent because they're Right-Wing nuts. Islam has nothing to do with it. I can point at the Republican party just as easily, and ask, nay DEMAND that you sons of biatches explain how you're any different.

But, I won't. Because I've heard everything you idiots have to say for yourselves about 10,000 times, and it does nothing but further convince me that you're just as barbaric as any terrorist.



You tell em brother.

I am waiting for a jihad to be called on me.


Shostie

What the fark does that have to do with the article?

keiverarrow-BAHAHA. I'll have to remember that one next time some store rips me off.

But your profile says your name is Brian!

...ohhhhhhh.

Unfortunately, Fark.com is dominated not by Christians but mostly by militant atheists who flame any and all religions and people who believe in God, so talking about xtians won't help.

Blues_Fan: Eric Rudolph is rotting in prison. Will be for the rest of his life.

The Klan is a remnant of its former self headed for obscurity.

Why, because Americans don't put up with that kind of thing.

Bin Laden is protected and housed when the world knows he is responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocents.

Why, because of some misguided hospitality rules and the surety of violence on anyone who would dare to turn him over.

THAT is the difference between Judeo-Christian America and third world muslim backwaters.

THAT is why America will triumph.

THAT is why, when we do triumph, muslims will be allowed to practice their religion in peace. Something they are loath to even let other sects of Islam do.

Triumph against who? Osama? Islam? Your own president no longer cares about Osama. Islam? Speak your mind.

RexK

Honestly, do you believe that all Muslims are bad? Those of us who you label as "liberals" aren't apologizing for a SINGLE terrorist. We're defending those who don't believe the terrorist rhetoric.

You've obviously picked your group to hate. You like using labels. You could be talked into going along with anything if you thought that it would help resolve a problem caused by Muslims.

Guess what. You swap "Muslim" out for "Jews" in that last paragraph and you get the same thinking that let millions of ordinary German citizens sit back and watch Hitler slaughter millions of Jews. People like you scare me! Rationalizing hate is dangerous. All that it takes is somebody to whip enough people like you into a fervor and we get a KristalNacht.

Bushwick Bill

Dansker, that's precisely the sort of Danish woman to whom I was offering my love. Grrrrrrrrr.

Well, I'm not gonna hand her over to your loving.
Americans have already proven beyond any reasonable doubt that they can't take proper care of Danish babes.

Just look what you did to this one:


Sorry. Go clean your eyes and minds with these NSFW links.

Yeah, I screwed up the HTML. It's late on this side of the planet, and I'm tired and hungover.

What, Falwell said we should bomb them?

"Islam forbids violence."

Now that's amusing. Why don't you check out the CNN headline right now where you can see the tears streaming down the face of an innocent female reporter as her "Islam forbids violence" captors state they are going to decapitate her unless their demands aren't met.

How come the supporters of Islam, instead of out chanting and protesting about stupid meaningless political cartoons from the other side of the world, aren't instead out in the streets protesting against of the terrorist acts against innocent people that have been perpetuated by their "Islam forbids violence" brothers over the last 30 years?

Keith Moon: What Danish products?


..not kidding.

Dansker, you've just insulted my mother, an ex-pat. I demand an apology.

RexK

Then given your education regarding the topic I'm surprised you maintain such childish and simplistic attitudes toward it.

Nice try, but I'd had two Muslim roommates by that time, during my college years. I had countless Muslim friends at school.

Awesome! Did they try to kill you? Or convert you? Or make you pay the jizya? I too know a lot of muslims and count many of them as friends, and I have nothing but respect for them and how they practice their faith.

I honestly thought someone like you would have some sort of empathy for a religion if you personally knew those who practice it, but apparently I was wrong.

You seem to be the one severely lacking in knowledge.

Im no expert, to be sure. But what I do know is that the radicals that make our headlines each week are not representative of the majority of Muslims, and that their interpretation of the scripture is not the prevailing viewpoint among the majority of Muslims. Hell, even the word 'jihad' never used to mean holy war - it meant 'personal struggle', until the more radical elements of the religion hijacked it for their own use.

No doubt there are problems with islam. But those problems lie not in the religion but in who is teaching it, what they are trying to accomplish, and the situation/country/poverty level they live in. You'll probably dismiss me as an 'apologist' for saying such things, but hey, thats what you do.

Can't allow idolatry, so let's allow murder!

It'd be interesting to see actual numbers on this incident, though. How many threats were actually made and by which particular congregations?

But I can see where they're coming from ... the Dutch sure draw sucky cartoon characitures. It's more of a stylistic cross between Chinese reed painting and European woodcuts.

keiverarrow, the gauntlet has been thrown - Firestone Tires of Pines and Hiatus in West Fort Lauderdale shall never bow to the tyranny of Islamic fascism! They shall certainly rue this day henceforth.

Reminds me of a Dennis Miller quip (paraphrasing):

"I'm sure somewhere Sean Penn wants to kick my ass for daring to infer he isn't peaceful."

dubdub:
[picture: Danish Feta]

...except we're not allowed to call it "Feta" anymore...

Jamrock:


But, I won't. Because I've heard everything you idiots have to say for yourselves about 10,000 times, and it does nothing but further convince me that you're just as barbaric as any terrorist.

I agree with you. This country has an enormous problem with looking at the bigger picture. They claim to be fighting terrorist, but it sounds to me like they are trying to start a holy war. These cowards really dont want this.

omega,

Of course I don't believe all Muslims are bad, some of my best friends are Muslims..

In what fantasy world are you living? Are you denying the Arab Muslim invasion of Europe is not happening? And what's that bit about Hitler slaughtering Jews? My family left Europe to avoid that fate. Of course, the baby Hitlers in the middle east (Assad, Khomeini and co) are doing their best to continue his work.


Fark it,

Yeah I don't know the tenets, I only know the Arabic for them...
But I don't know them, really. Have you ever read the Koran? I did, it sucks. Pretty annoying to read some epileptic's account as he tries remember the stories Christians and Jews told him. It's hard to take seriously when you have Moses and Haman in Pharaoh's court. And, of course, the whole thing is peppered with little reminders that the reader needs to kill the people who told Mohammed the stories in the first place. Ah, replacement theology.

some of my best friends are Muslims..

The "some of my best friends are" line wore thin in the 60's, but I believe it may be making a come back.

Do we really have to laugh it out of existence for a second time?

Release the Hounds

Your post is only funny because it's obvious you didn't read the earlier posts. Thanks for playing, maybe we can get you a seat at the children's table.

That post i referred to was your first in this thread, and I read the others pertaining to it before making my reply to your inane comment. I don't see anything in what I said that would suggest to you I missed some important point.

Since you don't seem disagree with what I said, or submit any sort of further justification of your point, I'm going to assume that I convinced you and that you understand how disgusting your comment was.

Thanks for trying buddy. Calling me a 'child' isnt an argument, no matter how much you want it to be.

I don't understand how so many farkers are equating a member of Islam as an automatic terrorist/fanatic.

It reminds me of the time I wrote to Aryan Nations (a white supremicist group) and told them that I had met some Jews that seemed like really great people and I wanted to know why A-N thought it justifiable to hate them all without individual consideration.

Certainly many of you have met decent, honest, regular people who are Muslim? If even one non-extremist Muslim exists, why don't you think that more could?

/FWIW, I'm strongly against violent Muslims OR violence from any group of people unless it is in self defense)

RexK: In what fantasy world are you living? Are you denying the Arab Muslim invasion of Europe is not happening? And what's that bit about Hitler slaughtering Jews? My family left Europe to avoid that fate. Of course, the baby Hitlers in the middle east (Assad, Khomeini and co) are doing their best to continue his work.

It's about time for you to enlist then. hop to it man, go save the world.

Jamrock


Since you have spoken in defense of the most violent Muslims, I will answer your post as if you represented them.

Islam forbids violence. So there are violent people out there who call themselves muslims, huh? Let me tell you something: the most violent muslim in the world is still more of a Christian than the typical American Christian.

Nonsense: Let's assume that Bin Laden is the most violent Muslim in the world. Has the typical American Christian killed 3000 innocent bystanders?

American Christians support war against a different faith and people with the kind of enthusiasm guys like bin Laden only WISH they could elicit.

American does not mean Christian. Those of us who support the war are against murderers in Iraq and Afghanistan, not Muslims.

...even though there are more violent, anti-muslim christian extremists living in America...

Name one. I don't know any.

than there are violent, anti-christian muslim extremists living in a population almost 5 times the size, and yet we are the "Dangerous people"

That's because Muslims keep walking into restaurants, nightclubs and resorts and blowing people up who have nothing to do with their problems. Christians don't that. Muslims do.

-Worship the God of the Bible.

and deny his son

-Believe in the Teachings of Jesus (which didn't include "worship me as the incarnation of God", if you want to go look)

I have looked. I guess "I and the Father are one" doesn't mean much to you.

-Are told to uphold a high moral standard of conduct in all situations

Except when somebody draws a picture of Mohammed, in which case it is okay to saw someone's head off.

-Believe in strengthening our community by not falling into the barbaric traps of racism, nationalism, or class warfare

You have a bunch of weak communities that can't even get along with each other

-Are told to bear all hardships with patience

Good idea. Try it.

-Are warned to never harm anyone except as a matter of life and death

If you had heeded that warning, the US would not be in Iraq or Afghanistan.

And you say our RELIGION is violent? Because of a bunch of poorly educated, well, renecks basically?

No. I say your religion is violent because you keep killing people.

Look, American Right-Wing Nuts can say that terrorists are violent because they're "Muslim", but it's just as easy to say, as an American Muslim that terrorists are violent because they're Right-Wing nuts. Islam has nothing to do with it.

I don't say that terrorists are violent because they are Islamic, but I cannot say with a straight face that Islam has nothing to do with it.

I can point at the Republican party just as easily, and ask, nay DEMAND that you sons of biatches explain how you're any different.

Simple. You Muslims aim your guns and bombs at innocent bystanders. Republicans only try to hit the people with guns and bombs.

"How come the supporters of Bush and the culture of life, instead of out chanting and protesting about stupid television and radio shows that they don't have to watch, aren't instead out in the streets protesting against of the unnecessary war that has been propagated by their "Cultulre of life" brothers over the last 5 years?"

(shrugs) Comparing apples and oranges. Terrorists who kill (and as brutally as they can for effect) in the name of their religion in comparison to right-wing Bible thumping simpletons who are essentially harmless and amusing.

Ingrate

By the way, I'm Christian, and Robertson, Falwell, and Chick do not represent or speak for myself or God.

I agree. As a christian, my goal is obedience to the scriptures to the best of my ability. This does not include holding ANY preacher or teacher or televangelist above the scriptures. Loving my neighbor as myself precludes initiating violence against him. I do believe that the the scriptures contain the words of God. Yet I feel no urge to run out and kill people. There is no call to do that in New Testament scripture.

It is strange to me that this thread got so much christian bashing so quickly. Perhaps it is because it is safe to attack christians. We will not declare jihad and kill your men, women and children without mercy or remorse. We might try to change your mind. Is this difference too obvious to mention?

Mr. Bean speaks on freedom of speech vs. religion