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(Inquirer)   Tiffany's buys 200 items of its own jewelry from Ebay, discovers 75 percent are fake. Sues Ebay for facilitating the sale of counterfeit jewelry   (theinquirer.net) divider line 129
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2006-01-30 12:25:38 PM
images.amazon.com
 
2006-01-30 12:25:41 PM
Personally, I have no problem with knockoffs, given that I bought a pink Burberry purse for $20 off a street in NYC and I use it more often than my Kate Spade purse. Either way, if I am going to buy a designer purse or a piece of Tiffany's jewelry, if I'm going to spend that much money on some material object, I'm more inclined to buy it brand-new from an actual store than online from someone else.

/the kate spade was a gift. no way in hell I'd actually ever spend that much on a purse
//especially when I can buy knockoffs for $20 in nyc. buy it from eBay and you risk spending $100 on what may or may not be real
 
2006-01-30 12:26:25 PM
Mr. Xristo

The waitlist for this certain bag has been going on for over 10 years I believe.

My girlfriend put her name on around 1997/1998, she got her's in 2002. A $12,000 and up bag that you "create" doesn't go out of style.
 
2006-01-30 12:35:39 PM
No, but it does make you look both *stupid* and *spoiled*!
 
2006-01-30 12:36:13 PM
Submitter

Worst use of [asinine]... evar.

It's perfectly reasonable and marginally noble of the company to be looking out for consumers. The only question is whether they should be insisting that other companies do the same.
 
2006-01-30 12:37:02 PM
I used to work for an online trading center for electronic components and the very same happened and is still happening there. As soon as China started aggressively trading on the world market 2 years ago (with the creation of the Shenzhen free trade zone) counterfeit semiconductors and other oarts of that type started to fllod the gray market. What doesnt help is that the company knows these Shenzhen companies sell counterfeit or refurbed goods but since their only path to revenue growth is in Asia (they are a public company) they are still aggressively pursuing their marketing over there. It is even done with the knowledge of the company. They even allow these couterfeiters on with full knowledge of their practices.
It's all for the almighty buck. US and Europeean comopanies that have been in business for many years are seeing their very existence threatened by these practices. And believe me the counterfeiting is systematic and very organized and the scams are pretty much done until they get found out then
they just close the company and start under another name.
Over and over.
 
2006-01-30 12:37:10 PM
2006-01-30 12:26:25 PM Lollipop165


Mr. Xristo

The waitlist for this certain bag has been going on for over 10 years I believe.

My girlfriend put her name on around 1997/1998, she got her's in 2002. A $12,000 and up bag that you "create" doesn't go out of style.



Congratulations, you officially have too much farking money. You can buy a car for $12k. You could buy a trip for 4 to Amsterdam and have all the booze, drugs, and hookers you want, with money left over. Instead you want a frigging purse? Go to Wal-mart and spend $15.
 
2006-01-30 12:37:11 PM
Lollipop165
My girlfriend put her name on around 1997/1998, she got her's in 2002. A $12,000 and up bag that you "create" doesn't go out of style

$12,000 for a WHAT?!

Holy Jeebus Tapdancing Christ!!!
 
2006-01-30 12:42:19 PM
"But...but its BRANDX! One of a kind!"

^ The argument likely to come.

Anyone who spends that kind of money on a purse/bag needs to be shot. Period.

Unless the bag is made of solid gold and lined with diamonds and was personally blessed by Cristopher Walken, it's no where near worth that much. Hell, even if it is, it's not.

It's just plain silly, and no argument is going to convince me otherwise. I can almost guarantee that the materials/assembly for the bag *might* top off at a few $100 dollars.

You are paying for a name, and are the worst type of consumer whore. Sir, I salute you.
 
2006-01-30 12:43:13 PM
All I am saying is that its not that ridiculous when you realize that even your kids could wear this bag and it will not be out of style. Kinda like a $12,000 sapphire necklace or diamond earrings.

Personally, I am not about to spend my money that way (I have no money to spend), but if someone wants to and they can, who the fark are you to judge? How much money did you spend on your car or your video games or your TV?

And where in this did I become rich? My friend having dough does not qualify me for rich. That is why I go to eBay and Chinatown.

/EMCGuy - there aren't any Walmarts in NYC :-p
 
2006-01-30 12:43:25 PM
I have to agree with the "Worst Use of [Asinine]" comments.

If you knowingly facilitate an illegal activity that you take a cut on, you should be punished. If I let Drug Dealers use my house to sling powder, and take 10% of their profits for letting them use my house, my ass is going to be on the line if they get busted.

I don't see why eBay should be any different.
 
2006-01-30 12:44:01 PM
If eBay can be sued for this, can't a classified ad in your local paper also be liable?
 
2006-01-30 12:45:28 PM
Lollipop165: All I am saying is that its not that ridiculous when you realize that even your kids could wear this bag and it will not be out of style.


Yes it is ridiculous. But I'm not a woman, so who knows?
 
2006-01-30 12:45:47 PM
I hope eBay loses. Not because I agree with Tiffany's (i really don't care), but I would love to see eBay get screwed. They have a complete monopoly on online auctions and online payments, and both services are terrible.
 
2006-01-30 12:46:33 PM
Legally, Tiffany's action is fairly incontroversial. There have been a number of cases brought by copyright & trademark holders against swap meet operators for allowing the sale of counterfeit goods. See, for example, this 9th Circuit case where the Court found that the operator of the swap meet could be held liable for vicarious and contributory copyright infringement and for contributory trademark infringement.

The only thing different here is the sheer scale of Ebay's operations.
 
2006-01-30 12:47:11 PM
You're going to give your kids a $12,000 bag at some point? I'm sure it will be great for thier nudie mags and drug stash in the year 2022.
 
2006-01-30 12:47:13 PM
whoops - should be "uncontroversial".

/ Note to self: preview before post.
 
2006-01-30 12:51:39 PM
Not asinine at all. A while back I bought a DVD from eBay. Appeared to be genuine but when it arrived it became clear that it was a knock-off cranked out of some factory in Singapore. I reported it to eBay and was told that it did not violate any terms of eBay's acceptable use.

eBay's track record in this area sucks.
 
2006-01-30 12:53:37 PM
This has been popping up on the bigger watch forums lately. There are a bunch of people selling off fakes of mid-range watches left and right. The general feeling is that eBay ignores most of the reports because they like their cut. If it comes out of the far east, and the pictures are fuzzy, you probably shouldn't be bidding on it...
 
2006-01-30 12:55:57 PM
I think were alone now.
 
2006-01-30 01:00:17 PM
Ebay's untouchable. They're golden until the day the IRS tries to make sellers report their Ebay income by subpoenaing Ebay's transaction records. That's the only thing that could bring them down.
 
2006-01-30 01:03:32 PM
To further my earliest post I would also like to add that proving that a seller actually commited a cvrime is extremely difficult. Typical example was a client bought stock from company x and would find out that the supposedly new stock he bought was counterfeit, he would let us know in order to file a complaint. I would turn around and call company X and face them with the complaint. What I have seen numerous time would be company X asking " what proves that the goods your client sold are the ones I actually sent ? With a straight face.... and you know what ? management pretty much said they had a good point. It IS extremely hard to establish guilt in these cases, not impossible of course but doing so requires huge amounts of time and ressources. Multiply that by an average of four to five complaints a day.
 
2006-01-30 01:11:30 PM
I'm a woman and think that paying 12k for a purse is teh ghey. For that price, it should be a port o john and carry the Star Trek holodec inside. Possibly drive my car too. As I always say, if I had that money to burn, I'd have my Subaru STI! Much better use of money. Practical AND _fun_as_hell_.

I can't even tell you how annoying it is to here friends/family go, "omg! it's a louis vitton?! OMG!!" I don't know this designer. I don't like their styles. Why is their purse worth that much and what 'tard is actually going to pay that? OH yeah! The average female trying to stay young and hip in her 40s jack ass.

/designer bags are for suckers
 
2006-01-30 01:12:54 PM
oo- horrible typo on my part. hear, not here
 
2006-01-30 01:19:09 PM
Mr. Xristo: MsStressa, you're going to wait 2 years to get a bag that will be out of style a year from now?


I'm on the two year list too, even though I have a 1980 made Birkin that belonged to my mother. I don't think they ever go out of style.
 
2006-01-30 01:22:51 PM
Ebay's screwed. They're even more screwed when the IRS tries to make sellers report their Ebay income by subpoenaing Ebay's transaction records. That's one of many things that could bring them down.
 
2006-01-30 01:25:59 PM
OriginalGamer: No, but it does make you look both *stupid* and *spoiled*!

I assume you're talking about owning a Birkin bag. As Lollipop165 said ...but if someone wants to and they can, who the fark are you to judge? How much money did you spend on your car or your video games or your TV?

It always comes down to the haves and have nots, doesn't it?
 
2006-01-30 01:29:08 PM
images.google.com
 
2006-01-30 01:31:30 PM
Like suing Penthouse for carpal-tunnel syndrome.

/fwap-OW!-fwap-OW!-fwap-OW!
//yeah, I know, not original.
 
2006-01-30 01:37:44 PM
I had this happen with a Tifanny bracelet I bought for an ex-gf, obvious fake. Seller was very apologetic and refunded my money immediately, before I even sent the piece of tin he sent me back, in fact.
 
2006-01-30 01:40:39 PM
Who am I to judge?

A sensible person?
Maybe an intelligent well adjusted human being?

We're talking common sense here.

A bag is not worth $12,000 just because its made by designer $X. If that same bag had been made by $CRACKWHORE, exactly the same, you would not pay $12,000 for it. You are paying for a NAME and a NAME alone, and that, it teh stupidz.
 
2006-01-30 01:48:24 PM
OriginalGamer
A bag is not worth $12,000 just because its made by designer $X. If that same bag had been made by $CRACKWHORE, exactly the same, you would not pay $12,000 for it. You are paying for a NAME and a NAME alone, and that, it teh stupidz.

Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
2006-01-30 01:48:25 PM
OriginalGamer: Who am I to judge?

A sensible person?
Maybe an intelligent well adjusted human being?

We're talking common sense here.

A bag is not worth $12,000 just because its made by designer $X. If that same bag had been made by $CRACKWHORE, exactly the same, you would not pay $12,000 for it. You are paying for a NAME and a NAME alone, and that, it teh stupidz.


Oh, well, no, if the 12k bag I wanted was made by $CRACKWHOR E and said bag was a tradition amongst the women in my family the way the Birkin is, then I would buy it. I'm not buying a name, I'm buying a family tradition. Maybe your family likes to watch Nascar or collect coffee mugs, ours is an expensive handbag. To each his own, but you don't see me judging you on your spending habits, now do you?

As far as I know, you really can't judge me for how I spend my money unless you can prove that every single purchase you have ever made has been sensible and for practical reasons. If you can prove that every way you've ever spent your money has involved common sense, then you can judge, but I'm guessing that's not going to happen.
 
2006-01-30 01:52:10 PM
As much as I dislike eBay, I don't see how everyone can be getting behind Tiffany's on this. As someone already posted, what is eBay supposed to do? Go and inspect everyone's merchandise? Why should eBay have to foot the bill to protect Tiffany's intelectual property claims. Maybe the reason so many of Tiffany's products are being knocked-off is because they've based their entire business on selling over-priced junk and then using a bloated, tax-payer funded copyright system as a means to keep their prices jacked up. I don't feel the least bit sorry for Tiffany's in this matter.
 
2006-01-30 01:55:54 PM
Nearly every GBA game auction on eBay is a cheap knock off. I learned that the hard way.
 
2006-01-30 02:05:55 PM
wait, you mean this Babe Ruth autographed Louisville slugger bat might NOT be genuine?
 
2006-01-30 02:07:13 PM
Fallacy: "Ebay's EULA says that they can't be sued, so Tiffany's will lose."

Reality: Just because the EULA says so, that doesn't mean it'll hold up in a court of law.


Fallacy: eBay can't tell if someone is doing something wrong!!!

Reality: They know and they don't care. If you sell a lot of things on their site, especially if we're talking a steady stream of 10 or more transactions per day, they don't give a damn what you do. I and many other users have filed complaints against a business that sells items that they do not have and then holds on to your money for 2 or 3 months before finally refunding it to you. Selling something you do not have is illegal last time I checked. Does eBay care? Nope. They still collect fees, even if the money is refunded.
 
2006-01-30 02:08:45 PM
phaedra: I'm not buying a name, I'm buying a family tradition. Maybe your family likes to watch Nascar or collect coffee mugs, ours is an expensive handbag. To each his own, but you don't see me judging you on your spending habits, now do you?

I have an expensive handbag addiction. I can't quite afford a $12k bag, but if it was something I could afford, I'd buy it.
 
2006-01-30 02:10:54 PM
Yeah. It's not like Tiffany's is tied to diamond cartels, which are known to perpetuate slavery and indentured servitude in African diamond mines.

They're above reproach. A little slavery is nothing compared to con artists making money using the Tiffany's name.

/sarcasm
 
2006-01-30 02:16:30 PM
I'm surprised how many here seem to be siding w/eBay. I manage a sales channel for a businees and constantly see our products being sold below wholesale - ofen below cost of goods - on eBay. Where are the sellers getting our products so chep they can aford to sell them so low? It's what's known as "diverted" merchandise. In other words, stolen.

Goods are stolen from warehouses, in transit, from dept. stores or by sales associates, and then make their way onto eBay. This, of course, forces everyone who buys products from legal channels to pay more in the end, and harms our business (and I work on commission). Im glad to see some of this is finally catching up w/eBay.

Let's call eBay what it is:
The World's Largest Fence
 
2006-01-30 02:16:32 PM
Plus, VERO is a joke. Several times when I used to sell CDs, I would post imports or long-out-of-print pieces, and VERO would shut me down saying they were bootlegs. I know the difference, and in these cases, no, they were legitimate releases... just not AMERICAN releases. I would suspect VERO compares you against a whitelist of authorized stuff based on the band name or whatever, instead of a blacklist of banned stuff.
 
2006-01-30 02:31:47 PM
Original Gamer

It is quite obvious that you have no clue what a luxury item is. The whole point of a luxury item is that it is "above" what you could normally get. The birkin bag is partially so expensive because it is hand stitched by some of the best tailors in the world, and made from rare fabrics. And most luxury retailers will fix your bag for you if it ever does break, even if it is 30 years from now.

If you have the money and want to spend it that way, go for it. If crackwhore X made beautiful bags with beautiful stitching, (and if I had the dough) I'd buy it.

What's worse, a millionaire spending 12 grand on a handbag or someone on welfare spending $50 on a CD player?
 
2006-01-30 02:39:48 PM
people with 52in hd tv's, SUV's or sports cars that cost 35k or more, and who knows how much tied up in video games, complaining that someone spends too much money on purses?

grow up, how each of us spend the money we make is our business. If someone chooses to live in a modest home and stuff it with goodies as opposed to buying a mcmansion and skipping vacations every year, that is their choice. If I want to buy Prada suits and vacation 2 or 3 times a year that is my choice. If you can't afford it, ditch the fancy car, stop having 6 kids and stop eating out 5 times a week.

its really obnoxious for people to say that a certain purse is a waste of money. I think a fancy car or a house that is more than 2000sf is a waste of money and obnoxious.

/end rant.
 
2006-01-30 02:51:41 PM
Status handbags are a metaphor signaling the exclusivity of a woman's snatch. $12k handbag = you ain't gettin' off cheap.

Anything else you boys want to know, just ask. Maybe I'll tell you, maybe I won't.
 
2006-01-30 03:04:16 PM
Positronica
As much as I dislike eBay, I don't see how everyone can be getting behind Tiffany's on this...Why should eBay have to foot the bill to protect Tiffany's intelectual property claims.


It's simple really, there has to be some responsibility somewhere. Tiffany's has every right to try and force another company providing a service to sell (re-sell) their branded merchandise to make sure that customers are not being duped.

The question then remains, are the customers being duped or do they want legitimate knock-offs. Ebay should be protecting people from being duped, and also not allowing knock-offs. ebay should have some sort of monitoring... hell Ebay should allow some sort of actual contact with a real person for that matter should the need arise. Otherwise I could technically rent out a space in my office for some asians to come and peddle fake Dooney & Burke bags and try not to have any liability for them.


Maybe the reason so many of Tiffany's products are being knocked-off is because they've based their entire business on selling over-priced junk and then using a bloated, tax-payer funded copyright system as a means to keep their prices jacked up. I don't feel the least bit sorry for Tiffany's in this matter.

Obviously you haven't purchased anything from them before. If you had you would realize that yes, you do pay quite a bit for their items, you actually get what you pay for. Unlike oh... I don't know Zales, Marks & Morgan, JCPenny, Sears, etc...

I mean honestly, it's a business based on asthetics and people paying a set some of money that they are willing to pay for an item. It has nothing to do with your 'tax funded blah blah blah' or anything other than person A willing to shell out x amount of money for this certain type of rock.

I'm sorry that your mommy deprived you as a child, but get over it. It's the epitome of commercialism and capitalism. If you don't like it move away or crawl under a rock.
 
2006-01-30 03:12:45 PM
OriginalGamer
You're going to give your kids a $12,000 bag at some point? I'm sure it will be great for thier nudie mags and drug stash in the year 2022.

oh, yes, cause we all know working and middle class peeps don't like porn or use drugs, right?

I'm finding the Class Warfare elements of your posts pretty out of order. Unless you're willing to forswear Capitalism and start preaching Marixism, it's none of your business who buys what and for how much.
 
2006-01-30 03:15:50 PM
I've never had a single problem on eBay.

I've never had a single problem on PayPal.

Why is it so hard to read feedback and the body of the auction closely?

/I know it doesn't catch EVERYTHING
//it catches most
 
2006-01-30 03:17:09 PM
People who spend 12k$ on a stupid purse need to be introduced to Dr. Winchester

BAI BAI MORANS
 
2006-01-30 03:20:02 PM
$12,000 handbag?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *deep gasp*HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Had a pretentious friend in the 80's with a Louie Vuitton purse. You know the ones that were brown plastic with gold lettering on them? The only leather part was the strap.

I'd track her down at work to go to lunch, and then I would say, "Hey, Melody, don't forget your brown plastic purse..."

Man, she would go ballistic when I said it!
 
2006-01-30 03:28:29 PM
Personally, I am not about to spend my money that way (I have no money to spend), but if someone wants to and they can, who the fark are you to judge?

Someone with some SENSE. Anyone who spends $12K on a goddamned BAG deserves to be violently mugged for it.

Honestly, these are the people who whine that they can't afford their taxes, or charity, or giving a BUCK to a homeless guy. I swear, that I will back this statement up with my blood if I have to: everyone on the waiting list for one of those bags should starve to death in a cage.
 
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