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2006-01-29 06:26:29 PM  
Abortions should be mandatory.
 
2006-01-29 06:27:13 PM  
How about a "Get 'em out of the oven" bake sale?

I think we should make abortion into a league sport, myself.
 
2006-01-29 06:27:31 PM  
As long as we're "being more accurate" about our terminology for the two sides in the abortion debate, why don't we replace "pro-life" with "pro-back-alley abortion"?
 
2006-01-29 06:28:51 PM  
www.rob-clarkson.com



Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others
 
2006-01-29 06:29:11 PM  
Nabb1
I don't think a society that allows the destruction of human life, even in early developmental stages, for convenience's sake can claim to be civilized.

I don't think it can be considered "life" until pretty late into development, it's a non-conscious lump of cells for most of the time. Otherwise, any cancer would fit the definition of life.
 
2006-01-29 06:29:14 PM  
Oops

/didn't realize that Abogadro said the exact same thing
 
2006-01-29 06:29:25 PM  
Hey, it beats the worst of the other side's favorite tactics, "Shooting People And/Or Blowing Them Up."
 
2006-01-29 06:30:55 PM  
Grande Tacos for Gonerria !
 
2006-01-29 06:31:00 PM  
Nabb1: taking umbrage of being called "pro-abortion" when you are arguing for the legal recognition and preservation of abortion is a bit thin-skinned.

That's dumb. There aren't people running around going YAY ABORTION.

Reproductive decisions are personal. Nothing else is acceptable. Mind your own buisness.
 
2006-01-29 06:31:36 PM  
Meatballs for Murder?
 
2006-01-29 06:32:10 PM  
Please don't equate abortion with the death penalty, unless you're referring to state-sponsored and required abortion.

Abortion is a right as much as a person has a right to defend his home with the threat of death to a perpetrator.

People kill people all the time. It's part of nature. It's part of our nature. While one may argue that we shouldn't kill (ten commandments and such), the fact is that humans do kill other humans, whether it's before birth, during birth, immediately after birth, all the way up the chronological spectrum to assisted suicides.

We may have laws to limit such behaviors, or to prevent some outright, but it's still going to happen.

However, the death penalty is an action by a government, not a person. No civilized nation should have a government that accepts the death penalty. The main reason is because a government is a mutual agreement among the governed to accept a mutually agreed-upon set of rules. The death penalty is a rule that can be abused and cannot be rectified.

Humans killing humans: unfortunate, but happens.

Government killing humans: unacceptable.
 
2006-01-29 06:33:14 PM  
Yes- but what type of 'meat' was in the chili?
 
2006-01-29 06:33:31 PM  
Nabb1

I don't think a society that allows the destruction of human life, even in early developmental stages, for convenience's sake can claim to be civilized.

I want to be there when homo sapiens sapiens finally runs out of resources and/or eats itself alive as the inexorable result of the insane preoccupation with that kind of naive, somnolent philosophy.
 
2006-01-29 06:36:00 PM  
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2006-01-29 06:38:19 PM  
Nabb1
I don't think a society that allows the destruction of human life, even in early developmental stages, for convenience's sake can claim to be civilized.

Well, its damn obvious we havent reached civilized behavior. For farks sake, a large portion (id wager at least half) of the population of this place wants to kill each other because of difference in the color of the skin. Or for dellusional beliefs.

Besides, take the route of saving human life, and become a hyprocrit the moment you support a war, for convince of saftey or something.
 
2006-01-29 06:39:51 PM  
I find abortion to be an abominable practice, but much less so than the practice of denying the choice in the first place. It's really quite simple: you can personally oppose abortion, while supporting choice. That's the difference between being "pro-abortion," and "pro-choice."
 
2006-01-29 06:40:11 PM  
Personally, I think abortion should be mandatory.

And retroactive, in some cases.
 
2006-01-29 06:41:44 PM  
Angel of Death-
"Hey, it beats the worst of the other side's favorite tactics, "Shooting People And/Or Blowing Them Up.""

Valid point, murdering an abortion doctor is murder anyway you slice it. However the worst of the "other-side's tactics" in my opinion is not holding a chili-drive fundraiser, its the actual act of taking a life, born or unborn.
/not trying to convince you to change your mind (which is an endless circle jerk for this issue) but rather repeating one solid fact-- Abortion ends a life.
 
2006-01-29 06:43:41 PM  
n4p0r30n: It's really quite simple: you can personally oppose abortion, while supporting choice.

This should have been obvious to anyone with a fifth-grade reading level and basic understanding of logic, but read this thread and you'll realize that...

...it's not intelligence, it's FARK.COM!
 
2006-01-29 06:44:34 PM  
headlighted-deer: one solid fact-- Abortion ends a life.

This is not a solid fact at all; the two sides disagree completely on whether an aborted fetus is a life.
 
2006-01-29 06:45:25 PM  
If an anti-abortion loony decides to blow up an abortion clinic what have they accomplished? Free abortions of course!

/One please.
//No, just one way.
 
2006-01-29 06:47:12 PM  
I have never once in my entire life met (or even heard about) somebody who is "pro-abortion." Not one. Ever.
 
2006-01-29 06:47:28 PM  
I was aborted once.

/I got better.
 
2006-01-29 06:47:32 PM  
Pro-choice != "Abortion supporter"

If thats the case, then maybe I'll become Pro-choice about rape. I'm not saying that I want people to go rape anyone, in fact, I think rape is bad and ideally we would have 0 rapes. But if you get in a situation where you think raping someone is the best option, then I think you should have that choice.

Sounds pretty absurd, doesn't it? Murder, regardless of the age, gender, nationality, color, creed, etc of the victim is still murder.
 
2006-01-29 06:48:06 PM  
ets2104: or how about "pro-children-being-born-into-bad-situations", or "pro-child-neglect". Because by opposing safe and legal abortions, you are also indirectly causing some children to be born into such situations. Like it or not, thats the cold hard truth.

Abortion has a stigma because of some peoples beliefs that a fetus, from the time of conception to the time of birth is a human being. I, for one, do not believe such a thing. I believe that a fetus becomes a human some time while inside the woman, BUT before such a time, it's essentially another part of a woman's body and her's to do with as she sees fit. Taking a pill that terminates a pregnancy in its first week is not different to me than burning off a wart. Sorry if you think that makes me callous but thats what I believe. And not amount of pictures of a fetus are going to make me believe otherwise.
 
2006-01-29 06:48:15 PM  
headlighted-deer: Valid point, murdering an abortion doctor is murder anyway you slice it. However the worst of the "other-side's tactics" in my opinion is not holding a chili-drive fundraiser, its the actual act of taking a life, born or unborn.
/not trying to convince you to change your mind (which is an endless circle jerk for this issue) but rather repeating one solid fact-- Abortion ends a life.



Agreed. I don't see how these people can take these babies lives as pointless.

No one can EVER defend abortion, with the possible excpetion that the mothers life is in danger.

In the case of rape, I like to use this scenario: Say your walking down the street and somebody mugs you. Takes your wallet, with 500 bucks in it and three credit cards, etc. Damn. You got mugged. You made a mistake walking down a dangerous street in the middle of the night. Does that make it right pull out a gun and shoot a bystander who had nothing to do with it? No. and In that sense its not ok to kill a baby because something unfortunate and terrible happened to you.

/endrant.
 
2006-01-29 06:49:56 PM  
Each cell is alive so each abortion kills millions! Plus, the aborted fetus could have grown up to father many children, who could have then gone on to have potentially many children, and so on!!@! Given the theoretical life-span of the universe the number of of potential descendents who will never exist is uncountable. Each abortion is equivalent to mass genocide on a scale never before seen in this dimension!11!@!@!@#$!!!
 
2006-01-29 06:50:04 PM  
You anti-choice people are hilarious.
 
2006-01-29 06:50:35 PM  
chili for choice

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/And the dessert was *real* girl scout cookies?
 
2006-01-29 06:50:53 PM  
FlashHarry

I am pro-abortion. I do not temper it with any farking semantic nonsense to appease pissant, fundamentalist dipshiats like you. If a woman wants an abortion, she should be able to get one. To suggest that it is acceptable that you be able to foist your farking retarded philosophies on a woman so that she perforce must bear a child for 9 months, at the very least, is so gallingly stupid as to defy comprehension.

Why should any woman, regardless of her reasons for doing so, have to first justify herself and demonstrate that she is a virtuous woman of teh jesus before you will, ever-so-graciously, allow that in this instance, an exception will be made to your morality, which would otherwise overbear her will?
 
2006-01-29 06:51:02 PM  
Nabb1: I think sex is the cause of 100% of abortions. I don't think we need to get rid of sex. The problem is people not taking responsiblity for their own actions. I'm all in favor of widespread sex education and easy access to contraceptives, although I think it's no secret that sex is designed as a reproductive function. Don't sell me any nonsense about poverty being the cause of abortion, either.


What about the child then? Should they be held accountable for their parents actions if their parents can't afford to give them food, shelter, or clothes?

It's all the same. The right to life: But once born, we don't give a shiat.
 
2006-01-29 06:51:11 PM  
Sicarim: No one can EVER defend abortion, with the possible excpetion that the mothers life is in danger.

Again I post...

Reproductive decisions are personal. Nothing else is acceptable. Mind your own buisness.
 
2006-01-29 06:51:23 PM  
it's not a choice, it's a child
 
2006-01-29 06:51:35 PM  
Ok, let's try to find a middle ground... Can we just say that that wakefield congregational church or whatever the hell it is--that group that travels places to protest loudly and graphically in front of places like elementary schools that don't allow prayer in the classroom--sucks?

\I know, it's fark, the middle ground is between the index and ring fingers....but they do suck
 
2006-01-29 06:52:38 PM  
Sicarim: That, is by far, one of the worst analogies I've ever seen.
 
2006-01-29 06:52:53 PM  
Why the silly tag? Is this any sillier than pies and cookies for Jesus?
 
2006-01-29 06:53:32 PM  
There are too damned many people on this planet. I can only think of a few ways that would work to keep us from totally overrunning the planet (ever worse than we do now):

1. No sex without a state permit, and then only for the sake of having children. Those caught getting it on without the permit will be subject to publically viewed castration.

2. Lots more murder.

3. Soylent green.

4. Legalized abortion without the fear of being attacked by protestors and/or religious fanatics.
 
2006-01-29 06:54:16 PM  
HAHAHAHAHA

just what america needs. more unwanted children.
 
2006-01-29 06:55:20 PM  
We should just outlaw abortion and create vast, underfunded ophanages for unwanted children. That should clear society's problems right up and be a great pro-life option. I'm sure all of the anti-choice people would be more than happy to fund these out of their own pockets.
 
2006-01-29 06:55:27 PM  
We're all animals on this planet. If the god that christians worship is truly real...then death should not be something feared.
 
2006-01-29 06:55:53 PM  
matt2891: Sicarim: That, is by far, one of the worst analogies I've ever seen.


Thank you, matt. I liked it. I don't know, i'll have to write a new one. Its just so many farkers pull the rape card out in abortion discussion.

Still not changing my view though. I guess if you think killing kids is right, then thats your bone to pick. But I don't want to have anything to do with it.
 
2006-01-29 06:56:58 PM  
davevodolazkiy,

"Abortions should be mandatory."

Aren't you glad your Mom didn't share your opinion? But, wait, she couldn't have shared your opinion because, if she had, you wouldn't have been around to have it in the first place and so she couldn't have shared it...but, then, she couldn't have known that you would have had that opinion so she wouldn't have considered abortion in the first place...unless...

/head asplodes.
 
2006-01-29 06:57:39 PM  
Is the chili made from aborted fetuses?
Seriously, though I found it interesting reading an article (I think in the Montreal Gazette or Ottawa Citizen) about the controversy surrounding Karakul (persian lambskin that can be made either from fetal or newborn lambs) and I found it ironic how people were, on the whole, so upset and outraged about the skin coming from unborn sheep. I'm more or less neutral on the abortion issue (since i sure as hell will never need one) but I found it funny that no one jumped in to suggest that the unborn sheep fetus isn't really a life so it's better than using the skin from the newborns. Incidentally, the mother sheep isn't hurt, so the fetus is more or less aborted. I somehow can't see those PETA hippies being more anti-abortion than the population as a whole. I guess it just goes to show that the whole issue has been overly politicized and emotionalized, if an unborn human's life is irrelevant compared to an infant, but taking an unborn lamb's life is entirely worse than using newborn lambs.

/just an observation
 
2006-01-29 06:57:42 PM  
I agree that abortion is barbaric, but what is the alternative? What are we going to do with 2 MILLION extra children a year that isn't as barbaric? Just make the parents "deal with it?" What about the child?

Adoption you say? Hmm. The abortion rate for black women is almost TRIPLE that for whites. Let's be conservative and say that half of those 2 million are black. That's 1 MILLION unwanted black children per year. How many white folks are going to want to adopt them?

Here's my solution. We have a national vote. If you vote that you would like abortion to be made illegal, your name is put on a list. When the babies start piling up, guess who they get distributed to at random? (After a background check of course.) Near as I can tell this is the only solutions. Can some of you other Pro-Lifers tell me yours?
 
2006-01-29 06:57:48 PM  
doodler: it's not a choice, it's a child

Usually at the time it's a group of cells that aren't conscience, but whatever.

My body kills millions of human cells every day.

And what about that evil god who aborts most fetuses that are formed? BAN GOD as he's a baby killer!
 
2006-01-29 06:58:09 PM  
www.big12warzone.com
 
2006-01-29 06:58:22 PM  
So here's a quick question for the pro-life crowd in here:

If an unborn fetus is alive, where do you draw the line?

When it has a 100% chance of surviving to term? Not all pregnancies end in a birth.

When it has a 50% chance of surviving to term? Sometimes a miscarraige can happen before the mother is even aware she's pregnant--at or around the 'handfull of cells' point.

When it has a million in one chance of surviving to term? What about one in a billion?

If abortion is murder, isn't masturbation genocide?

/channeling Sagan
 
2006-01-29 06:58:53 PM  
Nabb1, here is a response to your question. You want to know why people who call themselves pro-choice and support another persons right to get an abortion if they so choose can be unwilling to consider themself pro-abortion. Here is my reasoning. Personally, I don't like abortion, I would never be able to go along with it myself. If my girlfriend ever got pregnant I wouldn't want her to get an abortion at all. But here is where the difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion comes in. While I don't feel right about abortion, that doesn't mean that I should feel that my values or morals should apply to everybody else. Who am I to tell another person what to do with their body?

The point you are misunderstanding... or at least not seeing... is that pro-choicers aren't arguing for the upholding of their own views on the issue like the pro-lifers are. They are arguing for the views of everybody... those who want an abortion and those who don't... becuase they don't feel that it is their job to decide for everybody else when exactly they should consider a foetus to be a human being and when it is still just a clump of cells.
 
2006-01-29 06:59:09 PM  
WorldCitizen: We should just outlaw abortion and create vast, underfunded ophanages for unwanted children. That should clear society's problems right up and be a great pro-life option. I'm sure all of the anti-choice people would be more than happy to fund these out of their own pockets.

Shhhhh. The Pro-family people don't like to talk about that possibility. Anyway, there wouldn't be any need for abortions if people would just learn to ignore one of their three strongest and most basic drives.
 
2006-01-29 06:59:40 PM  
Nobody says you have to reproduce. But once you do, you owe it to your child to allow him to be born. Women who fight for the right to choose abortion are not fighting for reproductive freedom. They are fighting for the right to kill their children, pure and simple. Any fukk with $5 can buy birth control pills. Nobody is messing with your right to contraception. I know that your baby is alive, and if you want to kill it, I have a problem with that. Period.
 
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